Gary Johnson Could Catch Presidential Race by Surprise
Submitted by WhitfieldGeorge on Sat, 05/12/2012 - 17:36"With his name slated to be on every state ballot in the country in November, Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson is an important voice – bringing bold new ideas to the table that appeal to voters across the political spectrum."
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Artucle written by Douglas E. Schoen. He is a political strategist and author of the new book, “Hopelessly Divided: The New Crisis in American Politics and What it Means for 2012 and Beyond” (Rowman and Littlefield).
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Ditto
...I've been a Paulite since before I could vote, before the '08 campaign, and a DPer since the start of this campaign back in the fall of 2011. I've donated every spare cent I've had to RP, I've bought literature to hand out, I've got a bumper sticker on my car, a sign in my yard. Calling "troll" just because you disagree with someone is ridiculous, shame on you.
Gary Johnson is a Good Guy
If... AND ONLY IF, Ron Paul doesn't get the republican nomination, I would fight hard for Gary Johnson. Basiclly, GJ is my number two guy.
"GJ is my number two guy"
...Exactly, simple, why is that so controversial?
now the media can make gary
the front runner.
"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul
If Johnson was just as good as Dr. Paul...
Then he wouldn't be talking like this: http://newagora.me/2012/05/12/governor-gary-johnson-i-need-t...
I'm a Professor, my name is Wall
Hmmm...
...who ever said Johnson was as good as Dr. Paul?
If your plan is to never vote for anyone unless he's as good as Dr. Paul, you're going to be writing-in Dr. Paul until 2075 (or whenever you expire), because, guess what, no one will ever be as good as Dr. Paul. If Paul's not on the ballot, Johnson will be the best candidate running with ballot access, and a good (if not ideal) libertarian: ergo my vote goes with Johnson.
Ron Paul Will Need to Be in the Debates to Win the Presidency
Hi Professor Wall,
Thanks for the link. Gary Johnson says that he will need to get into the debates to win the Presidency. That is not odd. Ron Paul will need to get into the debates to win the Presidency. It is a realistic statement. Read more at www.GaryJohnson2012.com
shouldn't that be discussed
shouldn't that be discussed on the daily gary forum?
The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution
It seems to me...
...that the Daily Paul is the ideal venue to talk about ALL liberty candidates. We talk about State legislators, like for example Mike Peterson, running for North Dakota House.
http://www.dailypaul.com/219802/help-a-ron-paul-candidate-fo...
And we talk about Justin Amash, and Rand, and lots of others. We've had posts promoting the websites of these candidates as well as the website devoted to all the non-Paul liberty candidates collectively:
http://www.dailypaul.com/232507/president-paul-is-not-enough
...note that both of those threads got bumped and upvoted to hell, and were generally well received: as they should have been. Ron Paul is not, and does not want to be, the only horse in the race. This movement is not about Ron Paul, it is about advancing the cause, and we should and do run as many candidates as possible. Ron Paul is my 1st through 99th choice for POTUS. But if he is not on the ballot, I need a 100th choice, which means some third party, and I prefer Johnson and the LP to the others. Now, if you want to debate which third party choice would be best, I'm all for having that debate. That SHOULD have been the theme of this thread, as opposed to a testy back and forth between pro-Johnson Paulites and Paulites who attack anyone who mentions Johnson as if we're some kind of traitors.
Seems to me those guys SUPPORT Dr. Paul, because
they, unlike GJ, ARE NOT RUNNING AGAINST RON PAUL! Spare me your mental gyrations. If GJ is running for President at this time, he is OPPOSING Ron Paul, not supporting him.
To tell you the truth, by not deleting this thread, you actually LOST more potential votes for GJ than you can imagine.
Uhhhhhhhh
"Spare me your mental gyrations. If GJ is running for President at this time, he is OPPOSING Ron Paul, not supporting him."
Right. You apparently don't know that Ron Paul is running for the Republican nomination, while Gary Johnson is running for the general election. This distinction does not interest you, why it's just "mental gyrations" (in a time past, they called these 'thoughts').
Okie Doke, do whatever you do.
Gary Johnson is nice and all,
Gary Johnson is nice and all, but he simply does not have the support that Paul has or can have if the Dr. gets the Republican Nomination.
I do not wish to vote for someone because they are going to win, I wish to vote for someone because I think they need help winning. Right now, Dr. Paul needs help winning and has a better chance than Gary Johnson does. If Ron Paul was not doing as well as Johnson, I would likely support him(johnson) instead.
There is a need to be realistic here though. Never before has anyone like Dr. Paul come so close to being in a position like he is. Gary Johnson simply cant match it for now. Once this cycle is over and the time comes again, Johnson may indeed be where Paul is. Then we may be reading the daily johnson and such. However, until Paul is shown to not have anymore chance, he is our best hope at changing things.
Yeah bold new ideas
like preferential treatment and war intervention for Israel.
No thanks and if I am wrong and things go completely sideways and Ron doesn't get the nomination I am going to be one of the spearheads in the movement for Gary Johnson to step aside for Ron Paul.
November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul
I'd love to see that...
...Johnson stepping aside for Paul after the GOP convention, but I don't see it happening. I think Johnson would do it if Paul asked (it would be hard to refuse), but I don't think Paul will ask. Remember that we aren't just getting votes and moving on from State to State, we are taking control of the GOP as we go. That is a HUGE asset for the future, a huge advantage to liberty candidates going forward. If Ron Paul actually ran third party, all of that would be in jeopardy. I could see the GOP kicking out Paulites. Who knows, it's up to Ron, but I don't see a third party run happening. A third party endorsement is another matter.
From what I understand the Libertarian Party
has an open invitation for Ron Paul. I think that's anytime whether they have a nominee or not.I know that RJ Harris stated publicly that he would step aside for Ron if he were to have gotten the Libertarian nomination.
All Ron would have to do is ask and as much as I dislike Gary I would
gladly suffer him as VP if Ron Paul was the President.
That would give us 4 years of a Ron Paul Presidency minimum and completely turn this disaster in progress around. I'm sure that Gary would get completely straightened out in that time and quit being such an ass and it would open the door for him in 2016 or 2020.
That would be a deal Gary couldn't refuse because as it stands he is going nowhere.
November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul
Here are Gary Johnson's Issue Statements
Hi Pollman,
Here are Gary Johnson's positions on individual liberties and foreign policy:
"WE ARE A NATION OF MANY PEOPLES and beliefs. The only way to respect all citizens is to allow each to make personal decisions themselves.
Life is precious and must be protected. A woman should be allowed to make her own decisions during pregnancy until the point of viability of a fetus.
Stem cell research should only be completed by private laboratories that operate without federal funding.
Government should not impose its values upon marriage. It should allow marriage equality, including gay marriage. It should also protect the rights of religious organizations to follow their beliefs."
"Foreign Policy
Maintaining a strong national defense is the most basic of the federal government’s responsibilities. However, building schools, roads, and hospitals in other countries are not among those basic obligations. Yet that is exactly what we have been doing for much of the past 10 years.
Given trillion-dollar deficits, America simply cannot afford to be engaged in foreign policy programs that are not clearly protecting U.S. interests. There is nation-building and rebuilding to be done right here at home.
Our military should remain the most potent force for good on Earth. To do this, we should resort to military action as the last option and only as provided in the Constitution."
We welcome you to participate with us after the Republican Convention in August.
Wouldn't it have been better
Wouldn't it have been better for Gary Johnson and his fellow Libertarians to support Ron Paul?
We Did Support Ron Paul but Legal Deadlines Must Be Met
Hi phylax,
We did support Ron Paul and still do. But deadlines for ballot access are passing in each state as time goes by. If we wait until after the Republican Convention in August it will be too late and Romney will be very pleased that we put all out efforts on one libertarian candidate and we will be left the choices of voting for Romney, casting a write-in vote for Ron Paul that won't be counted or announced, voting for Obama or staying at home. I am sure Romney and the Republican establishment hope that is what most of us will do. However, I am not going to box my self into that set of choices. So I am supporting Gary Johnson as an alternative and Plan B. Check him out: www.garyjohnson2012.com Thanks.
Here's my plan:
Plan A - Vote for Ron Paul.
Plan B - Vote for Ron Paul. By write-in, if necessary.
Plan C - Refer to Plans A, and B, if necessary.
Down vote me all you want. The fact remains. I cast Ron Paul ONLY. You can just take me off of your potential switch list.
"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul
my message to Gary Johnson
Just two words:
President Paul.
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
My website: http://www.libertypoet.com/
STAND WITH RAND 2016
WhitfieldGeorge your location is Seoul, Republic of Korea?
What gives?
I Am American Living Overseas
Hi Miguel,
Good research. I am an American citizen who lives and works in Seoul, Rep. of Korea. But I stay interested in American politics because I pay taxes and I love liberty. I vote by absentee ballot in Florida and voted for Ron Paul in the Republican primary there in January. Thanks for the interest.
If you voted for Ron Paul
Why are you pushing hard for GJ now? Right in the middle of the primary, caucus, delegate process, As you can see from the top of the Daily Paul there are two conventions today.
We Will Get to Vote for Gary Johnson In November
The reason I am spreading the word about Gary Johnson now is that my primary is over as are most of them. I can't vote for Ron Paul in any more primaries, I am not eligible to be a delegate at a caucus or convention in Florida and I have givin the legal maximum in donations. All Ron Paul supporters will get to that point at some time and will need to decide what to do next. Perhaps I am just a bit earlier than some. But we all will be able to vote in November and I want to be sure that there will be a supporter of peace and liberty that we can vote for then. Sorry, but I don't have much confidence in the Republican Party to do the right thing. They don't have a good track record in that regard. So I am looking ahead and alerting others to a fine alternative, Gary Johnson.
Bingo
"The reason I am spreading the word about Gary Johnson now is that my primary is over as are most of them. I can't vote for Ron Paul in any more primaries, I am not eligible to be a delegate at a caucus or convention in Florida and I have givin the legal maximum in donations. All Ron Paul supporters will get to that point at some time and will need to decide what to do next. Perhaps I am just a bit earlier than some. But we all will be able to vote in November and I want to be sure that there will be a supporter of peace and liberty that we can vote for then."
...couldn't agree more. Everyone should keep doing everything they can to help Ron Paul and take over State and local GOP organizations. And also start thinking about hypotheticals for after the convention if things don't go our way. Thinking about hypotheticals costs nothing, after all.
Not a valid excuse, You can give to REVPAC
You can help delegates make it to the conventions. If you have time you can go to the remaining States that have yet to hold there elections, Phone from home for Ron Paul, etc. Not a valid excuse
I Did Give to REVPAC
Hi Miguel,
I did give to REVPAC and to the mailing for the brochures to Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, etc. So I think I am way ahead of you. Just wait until after the Republican convention in August and please reconsider and support Gary Johnson, the Libertarian who will be on the ballot.
Excuse for what?
What the hell are you talking about? I am doing everything I can do for the Ron Paul campaign, as I've been doing since the campaign started, and as I will do until the campaign is over.
Where did I say I'm skipping Ron Paul work to help Gary Johnson? Umm....no where! Where has anyone in this thread (or any other Gary Johnson thread) suggested skipping Ron Paul work to help Johnson? Hmmm...no where! No one is saying stop working for Paul, no one is saying cut down on working for Paul, no one is saying donate or volunteer for Johnson instead of Paul. No one is saying anything other than THINK: i.e. start to give some consideration to voting Johnson or some other third party, in the event that Paul does not win the nomination.
I'm a loyal Paulite doing everything I can do to help Ron Paul win the nomination, and I'm simultaneously considering voting for Johnson, and talking to others about voting for Johnson in the general election if Paul is not on the ballot. This SHOULD not even be controversial. Somehow I'm the enemy, even though I'm 100% behind Paul, just because I'm thinking of voting Johnson IF PAUL IS NOT RUNNING IN NOVEMBER. I don't get it.
...strangest world I've ever known.
If you can explain to me...
...how supporting Gary Johnson for the general election (i.e. if Paul is not on the ballot) hurts RP's effort in the current primary, I will cheerfully eat my shoe.
I think if he wants to push GJ, fine but
there is something about this that isn't adding up.
He says he votes for RP but puts all his energy into splitting the vote. If Dr. Paul wins, does he sound like he would abandon GJ?
He says he has contributed the maximum but shows no interest in protecting his investment. Why not just contribute to GJ if he feels so strongly about him?
You think he is in Korea but as anyone familiar with sites like hidemyass.com as I and others know, you can use servers from anywhere on the globe. He might want to hide that he's from Chicago or California.
Who would benefit most now and later by splitting the vote? Rmoney now. Obama, later. In all scenarios with split vote, ie any vote for GJ, is win win for Barry.
Ladies and gentlemen, what we have here, I believe, is an Obama troll.
Now it's about the Constitution and the fight to defend it.