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Urgent Notice For Delegates Alternates And Future/Current Precinct Committeemen!

DO NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE WE DID HERE IN AZ!

Because of the outspoken nature of our supporters (delegates, alternates, and guests) we have lost ground and some of our GOP support.

DO NOT HECKLE, BOO, CHANT, OR OTHERWISE YELL OR DISRUPT THE CONVENTION OR CAUCUSES OF YOUR STATES, COUNTIES, OR DISTRICTS!

It turns people away that would have otherwise voted or supported RP people. It also degrades our message and credibility. We are already fighting an uphill battle and don't need to be making the hill any steeper for ourselves.

ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOUR DELEGATES, ALTERNATES, and GUESTS to remain respectful and if you can, appoint a team to make motions (at least one in each district). That way you don't have the confusion of 100 people yelling at once. Also try to get a parliamentarian and TRAIN YOUR PEOPLE. We sort of went in blind, but ABOVE ALL BE RESPECTFUL AND SILENT. You won't alienate anyone, you won't give the establishment any ammo, and it will be easier to organize and hear floor motions.

GET YOUR PEOPLE TO BECOME Precinct Committeemen!



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The mistake wasn't that you boo'd or that you caused a ruckus. The mistake was that you didn't get enough people to become delegates or that you and the other RP supporters didn't work hard enough to get positions within the GOP.

This is why NV was so powerful because they put in the effort from 2007 to 2012. They fought for every inch from 2007 to get positions, delegates and they convinced their friends and family to join the GOP and support their delegation.

We all have the potential to make a dramatic change. We just need to make the decision to be or not to be.

Thanks guys! Glad to see

Thanks guys! Glad to see there are a lot of people who don't want to have that "hoodlum" label attached to the liberty movement. Keep up the good work!

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"respectful and silent" wouldn't have gotten us this far...

I respectfully disagree and firmly believe that we wouldn't have gotten this far had Paul supporters remain "respectful and silent." We were respectful at the start until they started messing with our votes, until votes went missing, until precinct votes were not counted, until they truck loads of people from out of state to vote, until they broke the rules, etc. How does on handle a bully? I'll tell you this, being respectful and silent will not work. Romney bought over our silence in Iowa and cost us the spot light. The kind of money Romney has could drown respect dead in the water. No, silent and respectful will not work at this stage of the campaign; they threw the first stone. It was our screams and fearlessness that turn the tide. It was our "fighting for our lives" attitude that won positions for Paul's delegates. Never stand silent to or respect a bully. If a bully wants to fight, you take him down before he finished his thoughts of attacking you. We can work on respect after we've won the battle.

I say: if you can't make it better, don't make it worst!

I get what you are saying

And it's true that there's alot of truth in what you are saying. Certainly, a part of our success lies in our aggression. The stooges simply weren't prepared for it and they eventually got crushed by us.

There's a major problem with this reasoning however. It assumes that there will not be blowback and that they will forever be unprepared. We are basically demonstrating to them how large a threat we are. If we attack, attack , attack, they will up their game as well. And truth is, they are in a better position than us, cause they still have positions of power and control over the narrative.

For my full reasoning, see this post: http://www.dailypaul.com/234252/rnc-creating-new-organizatio...

However, that doesn't mean that I'm saying that you shouldn't fight. If you fight, it's almost impossible to stay polite. It's just that you should refrain from rude behaviour if it costs you little to do so. Remaining polite whenever you get screwed will cost us delegates, so we are not expecting that you remain respectful during those times. However, booing and hissing can be done without. It costs little to refrain from doing so and it will serve no purpose, but to express our discontent. It won't give us any strategic advantage whatsoever. As a matter of fact, it will only be used against us.

Furthermore, whenever we talk with Romney, Gingrich and Santorum supporters, we shouldn't go in lecture or know-it-all or angry supporter mode. Respectfully state why you disagree, but don't go deeper than that, unless they really want to have a debate and are curious.

I humbly disagree...

In a time when people are not *preconditioned* to think in a specific way and know how to think for themselves "hissing" and "booing" would not be necessary and would not have occurred as rational minds would join at the same conclusion. Would "no, no, no" or "stop, stop, stop" as vocal replacement be more acceptable? If you know or had reviewed all of the voting meetings Paul supporters were engaged in you would have seen that "hissing" and "booing" were not the order of the day. It was after repeated blatant disregard by the opposition after numerous cordial Paulite protests did the Paulites volume go up. If you don't know it, we are in a r3volution and I've never heard of any of such being won by politeness. Now, your views might work nicely in respectful places, however, I assure you that that time is not where we have to be. Respect is only a two way street. We are living in a land with money-god bullies and we have been losing the shirts off our backs because we've been polite. Really what has our politeness gotten us with Goodman Sachs? How many of those deliberate lying cheats and hope destroying criminals went to jail? Yet having a few ounce of weed that could not bring down the world's economy would land someone in jail. Being polite when you shouldn't is the perfect example of psychological brainwashing. We should be smart always and let that dictate our actions and sometimes booing is required just as praising. Civility is also a two way street.

Your use of the word "blowback" does not apply here no more than murder. Sometimes a little of the unexpected is needed to pull one out of locked thoughts. For the record, we did not start the hissing or the booing; we went with high hopes and honest regards for everyone's blissful future. It was the money-god bullies in the Romney camp who hissed at us by negating our votes and it was they who booed us when we spoke; we only responded in kind in a different manner. We returned the same civility we received in a way they would hear us. Your one vd is a poor example of the totality of the abuse Paulites and the man himself had endured. I have to conclude you're either a recent Paul discoverer or talking from the other side. Had you been around from the start and followed every event, you would not have accused us of ineffective politeness.

I say: if you can't make it better, don't make it worst!

Don't be a Victim

I refuse to be a victim. I will not be intimidated, bullied, cowed, discouraged, disparaged without fighting back. I was shot by a highwayman 40 years ago and didn't pack heat to protect myself. The only reason I am alive today is a trucker came by and chased away my assailant as he was demanding I crawl into his car with a bullet through both lungs. That was the most helpless feeling I have ever experienced -- I pack heat nowadays -- always.

The lawbreakers and rule breakers depend on helpless prey. You fight back and the cowards will run. Don't be a victim. Smothering a person's right to participate in oral discussion is akin to murder. The conventions are oral discussion to conduct business.

All that being said, remember not to burn bridges. I suspect that this is one of the reasons Dr. Paul has entered the "Rope-a-Dope" phase of his campaign. If we are right, soon events will transpire that will make it glaringly obvious that we are right. Then many of those opposing us will become aligned with us -- if we play our cards right. Don't make enemies but stand your ground.

Thanks for telling me how to live!

How often should I breathe? Should I crap in the morning or evening?
This is a LIBERTY MOVEMENT and each of us has to fight our own fight.
You had a tough battle in AZ, you did the best you could. Now you think you understand how EVERY state should be handled?
Is there EVER a time to stand up and demand justice? To do it unequivocally, maybe even loudly? If you are r3volting, you will have to do it VERY politely or someone might be offended. Or worse, your political career might suffer.
What are you fighting for? A cabinet post or liberty? Do you have any idea how much in-your-face corruption goes on? Ever heard the term "righteous indignation?" Is there any crime so vile you are willing to make a fuss to stop it? Perhaps most importantly, do you really think you can behave in a manner so civil that you will not be painted as a crazy trouble maker any way?
I tried it your way. Stood down on command like a good lap dog. Tried to work with the state GOP, watched while dirty deals were cut and watched "liberty lovers" surrender to "what gets me elected" political positions.
I had to sit and listen to our new state coordinator give a rousing speech - she really is a good speaker - about an issue near and dear to ALL liberty lovers.... Wolves. Oh, wait, the liberty movement never really talks about wolves, what is that thing we talk about? Oh, yeah, that topic is "politically incorrect" so we will stand around and cheer for people to go shoot wolves. Damn wolves eating all my personal liberties. You should have seen the crowd leap to their feet and chant "END THE WOLVES!"
In 2008, Ron Paul had throngs of people who could not get in to hear him speak. Those inside were "typical" RP crowds - chanting, cheering, high energy - it was awesome. I attended his rallies in Twin Falls, Boise and Nampa this year, and the fire is gone. Everyone was oh-so-polite and there was not one round of enthusiastic chanting of anything - a few half-hearted "End the Fed" calls but the fire in Idaho has been doused. By attitudes like yours. Just be polite until you are so demoralized you can no longer put up a real fight.
What happened in Idaho should serve as a stern warning to STOP playing pansy-ass with these people, but no one wants to be warned about any possible outcome that they do not like.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Thank you!

We need to move beyond our reputation as a bunch of rowdy kids.

we are not "rowdy kids"

Your perception is how the *media* steered you to believe just as they steered the vast majority of people in this nation to think RPaul is crazy. You honestly believe we are the "rowdy" ones? Honestly? You honestly believe you're right when you believe what they wanted you to believe? Gee, you just got brainwashed and that's how it works without you knowing it.

I say: if you can't make it better, don't make it worst!

If you can't treat others with respect,then stay home.

They want to see us screw up and be disrespectful,so they can say " see they're just a bunch of loud mouthed hooligans.If you won't respect yourselves, or someone who's turn it is to speak,then at least respect Dr.Paul,because he doesn't deserve this kind of disrespect.You've harmed the movement because of your poor choices,and that's really sad.Please grow up.

we're not in church and you're not a Paul supporter...

How does one handle a bully? I'll tell you this, being respectful and silent will not work. Romney bought over our silence in Iowa and cost us the spot light. The kind of money Romney has could drown respect dead in the water. No, silent and respectful will not work at this stage of the campaign; they threw the first stone. It was our screams and fearlessness that turn the tide. It was our "fighting for our lives" attitude that won positions for Paul's delegates. Never stand silent to or respect a bully. If a bully wants to fight, you take him down before he finished his thoughts of attacking you. We can work on respect after we've won the battle.

Where's the respect for Paul from the media? Where's the respect for Paul from the local and state republican leaders? Where's the respect for Ron Paul's caucus voters before they were forced to push back? Ron Paul supporters suffered the same kind of disrespect they gave to Paul and it's high time we kick some back and let them know what it feels like. Respect, respect, you shoot that out like you know but you don't. Respect is not giving freely, it must be earned! If the other side want our respect then they should've played by the rules! You're not a Ron Paul supporter--we all know what the other side did to us and continues to do. We will respond accordingly--respect is a two way street, don't ask for what you're not giving.

Did you write your speech in the Romney camp?! It really piss me off when people talk with blinded eyes.

I say: if you can't make it better, don't make it worst!

Please wake

Please wake up!

http://youtu.be/n9mxC_5PB6Q

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Stuff your Muffin

"Now? We are trying to make nice. Like our attempt to “give” him the delegation from Arizona, an offer his man refused to make."

It's win or lose.. we're in it to win it.. not just for the feel good moments.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

I respectfully dissagree, and here's why

It seems to me that Ron Paul and the campaign here in CA understands that we have a struggle with bullies... everything is fake when it's nice, they actually fight mean and dirty, and then they cry the loudest when they lose, and they are losing, thus they are crying.

They need to be "schooled", like how Ron Paul "schooled" Rudy. They need to understand that "They lost their way", and Ron Paul Republicans, with all due respect, are here to turn them away from the UN Agenda, Federal Reserve debt, wars, morphong into the left, and rescue them with our conservative compassion and love.

Ron Paul Republicans are a group of warm fuzzy love bunnies... very nice people, who have had enough of being lied to and cheated, and duped by bullies. They don't need to be told to "play nice".

The bullies need to be told to play honest and fair, and everything will be nioe. It's a shame Ron Paul and the compaign had to change direction, however, this is not because Ron Paul Republicans are not nice, but because the Romney Republicans (actually I don't think there are actually too many of those) the guys trying to keep their cushy vacation gigs at the conventions need to have Ron Paul there to do things right.

Amen Brother, what's this "Be respectful and silent" Be Silent?

In otherwords SHUT UP! In other words, sit down and shut up! It's George Orwell's 1984 doublethink. Be responsible. Don't speak up. We are responsible for the republic. We will not sit down. Turn it around, we don't deserve the labels, we didn't cheat, the GOP/Romney machine has cheated at every turn and has been a disgrace. It's too late to get rolled over. Fact of life, you can't always be a boy scout, sometimes you may have to raise your voice in protest. Like when you need to yell, point of order! over and over as previous delegates have had to do. This is not going to be a hard won fight. It's not for everyone, if u can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. What are you doing here? We have followed convention rules and Robert's Rules in every way. So some candy a*% gets booed. Waahhh! He was out of order and in violation of the convention rules. We need strong people who will stand only for what is right to restore our nation to a nation of laws. Right now, we're in the wild west of lawlessness and pilfering. Red Dawn Alert. Hey trolls, ever hear of the grass hopper and the ants?

There is a time and place. If

There is a time and place. If you must be rude, be rude somewhere else. There are those of us that are actually doing something for the cause of liberty and those that tarnish the message are hurting the cause.

stop voting yourself up...

Why don't you tell us exactly when and where that time and place is so we can act accordingly at precisely the right time and place you designated. Give me a break. Is OWS (that's Occupy Wall Street) hurting their cause when they act up against the bankers? Would they have gotten this far if they didn't scream about the blatant injustice? If there's a fire in your house don't scream for help because it's rude. If someone attacks you don't scream too loud because it's rude. Liberty was never gained by being silent and respectful for your oppressor. You relegate respect to a time and place when it should be attributed to the deed and the doer. You need to be somewhere else.

I say: if you can't make it better, don't make it worst!

When is that time and place

When is that time and place Muffin? When YOU say so? Or, do we start to act like Americans when they are putting the hood over YOUR head?

If you had removed the sleep from your eyes you would've seen that the GOP was pushing, pushing and pushing the Paulites around at the convention. NO signs for us but you Romney folks had the nice big banner hanging up front. The electioneering by Jr. and the other speakers for Romney. The Asteriks for who to vote for on the slates. How about when they turned off the AC in the building. Isn't that provoking, at least bullying? And wasn't the 4 to 5 hour wait to do the voting and counting a neat stunt by the other side? (While the temps were rising) But when a few real men and women decide they aren't going to take this crap you get all butt hurt?

"May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams ...

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

We need more decentralization

If Paul wont run we can draft him when we get our delegates to the state and national conventions. I want to see conventions where people are taking a stand for liberty, peace and fiscal sanity. We need a trusted source to publicize and hold moneybombs for travel grants for our delegates. http://www.dailypaul.com/233762/daily-paul-moneybomb-for-del... Lets plan this we need decentralization more than ever.

Oh, Mr. Orange Slate, this

Oh, Mr. Orange Slate, this doesn't hide who you really are and what you are really doing here!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Why would I need to hide who

Why would I need to hide who I am?

Then why do you?

Then why do you?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Are you implying that you

Are you implying that you wish to know my name?

Is this one of your trick

Is this one of your trick questions?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

I have no trick questions for

I have no trick questions for you, sir. I asked a direct question with the expectation of a direct answer.

Ok, hit me

Ok, hit me

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

I will assume that means that

I will assume that means that you do have a desire to know my name, and have requested such. My name is Michael McFarland.