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Urgent Notice For Delegates Alternates And Future/Current Precinct Committeemen!

DO NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE WE DID HERE IN AZ!

Because of the outspoken nature of our supporters (delegates, alternates, and guests) we have lost ground and some of our GOP support.

DO NOT HECKLE, BOO, CHANT, OR OTHERWISE YELL OR DISRUPT THE CONVENTION OR CAUCUSES OF YOUR STATES, COUNTIES, OR DISTRICTS!

It turns people away that would have otherwise voted or supported RP people. It also degrades our message and credibility. We are already fighting an uphill battle and don't need to be making the hill any steeper for ourselves.

ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOUR DELEGATES, ALTERNATES, and GUESTS to remain respectful and if you can, appoint a team to make motions (at least one in each district). That way you don't have the confusion of 100 people yelling at once. Also try to get a parliamentarian and TRAIN YOUR PEOPLE. We sort of went in blind, but ABOVE ALL BE RESPECTFUL AND SILENT. You won't alienate anyone, you won't give the establishment any ammo, and it will be easier to organize and hear floor motions.

GET YOUR PEOPLE TO BECOME Precinct Committeemen!



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BINGO!

I don't normally participate in Politics. However, if I did I certainly wouldn't associate with scum organizations such as the GOP or Democorps. I am here for Liberty and for Dr. Paul.

Which is why we are working

Which is why we are working so hard to get delegates, PCs, chairman, and state representatives elected in the GOP so that it reflects the values of the Constitution once again. That's what the delegate process is about.

Agreed.

Respect is one of the reasons that RP's message caught on. It's because he accepted different viewpoints. And because he accepted it, people were more likely to look at his positions, even though they disagreed. If RP were as disrespectful as some of our current comrades, a whole swath of neocons would have never become FORMER neocons.

Mind you, I do believe that a revolution needs a certain amount of aggressiveness to it. People willing to fight are less prone to be pushovers and are certainly an asset when Romney is trying to cheat at conventions. But realize that we ARE a minority and that we need help from any corner we can get. Pissing off people that could have turned out to be allies is a sure means of LOSING. And I HATE losing. Some people appparently can´t live without the need for an enemy. If you are unable to make allies out of enemies just tone it down and sit in a corner. You´ll only be a liability and not an asset with all the hooting and chanting.

I disagree. Nobody was going

I disagree. Nobody was going to change their mind at the convention. NOBODY sits through the boring speeches by politicians and decides after they hear them. EVERYBODY had their mind made up already. Oh, there might be a few that can be swayed, but I bet it's less than a tenth of a percent.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Well the disruption certainly

Well the disruption certainly changed their mind and now we have to do damage control to try and get back the support we lost. Karen would have likely won if we had not turned the others off to her and our cause. The Romney supporters I talked to said they were going to vote for her until she saw how disrespectful people were being. Likewise with votes for national delegates.

Karen DID win, TWICE. Once

Karen DID win, TWICE. Once before they illegally closed the convention and then AFTER too. You must've left early with the rest of the Romney folks to not have seen that.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

No, I was standing at the

No, I was standing at the front. She didn't win before and they will not recognize anything after the gavel fell. You must not have been there as the numbers were announced and she didn't have enough votes to secure the margin, hence the run off vote.

You are correct, she didn't

You are correct, she didn't get the 50% plus one but she got the highest votes total (TWICE), and it SHOULD have gone to a run off right there. I know where you were sitting, you held up the orange slate! (You had a big mouth too Mr. Eardrum Splitter) BIG difference from the Romney green slate, isn't it?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

If that´s true,

You can kiss the delegate strategy goodbye. The delegate strategy is based on the assumption that we can convince part of the delegates to go RP's way.

All i'm asking is that people control their inner caveman. The reason people are misbehaving, is that they are drunk on victory. "We are on the right, we have enthusiasm, we are part of a movement, all you guys have it wrong, justice is on our side and all you guys are full of shit!" Yes, it's a sense of superiority that's the cause of all this and to me is a sign of disaster.

I don't see it that way. I've

I don't see it that way. I've been following Ron Paul for 23 years. Most of those years nobody listened. Only after the internet and YouTube and all of those loud and disrespectful Paulites doing stuff did we start gaining traction. Keep up the great work all of you loudmouth's, it's working!!!!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Yeah,

In a certain extent it's true that the most enthusiastic have carried this revolution the farthest. And enthusiastic usually means the loudest as well.

But keep in mind that a TRUE revolution is only when it spreads to the majority. We haven't reached critical mass yet. As a matter of fact, the things happening now are just plain rudeness and can't be called being enthusiastic anymore. We are LIMITING our growth as a movement this way.

We are essentially rallying the Santorum, Gingrich and Romney people AGAINST us as a united front, which is one of the reasons Arizona went so badly for us. We are basically our own worst enemy. This doesn't have to be this way. Our movement can still grow beyond our current numbers.

AZ went "bad" for us because

AZ went "bad" for us because it's mormon country. (I think we did pretty damn good!) Before that it was McCain country. Add to the fact that the AZ GOP is one of the most corrupt in the nation, along with the apathy, and you are going to get what we got. The future belongs to the youth and they are largely libertarian and they don't care about what others think of them. This time 4 years from now, if we still have a country, we'll have tripled our #'s again. The state is on its way out and it has nothing to do with decorum!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Oklahoma Romneyites had their minds MADE UP

Guys I see what you both are saying. And, to a certain extent, I agree with both of you. Having been through the Oklahoma fiasco, though, I can tell you that I was NOT going to sit there and let our Governor and Tim Pawlenty speak for "us". The Governor said that "we" (including us RP-ites) need to come together around "our" (including us Paulites) Republican nominee: Mitt Romney. She, as far as I'm concerned, was WAY out of line in that venue and WE Paulites expressed our dissent and disgust (by booing) and , just as we (boo and hiss) when Ron Paul speaks to us and mentions the atrocities of Ben Bernake and the Fed, we spoke our Revolutionary collective minds and let out the dissent that was in our hearts - APPROPRIATELY. This is a battle and I'm not going to sit around and let our leaders think we're meek little sheeple ready to roll over when they say "roll-over and let me devalue you currency, roll-over and let me steal your children, roll over and let me detain and grope your wife here in the airport." I'll be respectful. AND I'll keep in mind that there is a time for everything. A time of war and a time of peace, a time to love and a time to hate, a time to be cordial to a Romney-ite and a time to harshly rebuke them for being so hard-headed while staring the facts in the face.

When injustice becomes Law; Revolution becomes DUTY!!

Yea, and how'd that go for

Yea, and how'd that go for y'all in OK? You got all the delegates right? Win Ron Paul delegates or cause chaos, you choose to go with chaos right? Yea, your the one I want advising everybody else "how it's done".

Hello Walty

Thanks for your sarcasm. I would certainly fight for your right to continue on that path.

But, really, we lost because we followed the rules and they didn't like it. Instead, they chose, not only to break the rules, but to break their OWN rules. It is intolerable to let them stand there and continue to break the rules as we follow them; just as it would be intolerable for a runner, whose coach, jumps out on the track at every meet and begins tripping and hitting all the other runners on the track. Sure, you win every meet, but you didn't win fairly. How does that settle on your soul at night when you try to sleep. If you want to play the game you have to play by the rules. Your suggestion that we lost because we ensued some sort of chaos is an uninformed suggestion.

In fact, if you want to call it the way it truly was, we won ALL the delegates during the reconvened Convention in the parking lot. Why? Because we stood for truth, did not tolerate the deception and played by the rules.

Your comments only cause strife in our ranks. Why, because they are uninformed and frankly without compassion.

When injustice becomes Law; Revolution becomes DUTY!!

UP ARROW for your amiable

UP ARROW for your amiable reply! Sorry if I was a little harsh, not sure what all went on, but IF you can be quite, play along, and slip through, do it that way, IMHO! Whatever it takes!

Walty, thanks

Thanks man. I agree. Any other time I am that way. Waiting quietly, assured in the understanding that, no matter how much noise the opposition makes, its just noise.

Looking back, and thinking about what you said, I do wish that, when the Governor threw her backing behind Romney, all us Paulites would have just been silent. Harsh words do stir up anger and a gentle tongue breaks bones. Thanks for your rebuke. It is well noted and taken to heart. I will play the game differently next time. It is very heard to keep the passion of freedom restrained when injustice runs rampant in the streets.

yours in true Constitutional freedom

Brian

When injustice becomes Law; Revolution becomes DUTY!!

Good Job Brother or Sister in Arms!!!

Ditto!!!

This post sucks...

I don't expect anyone from the Liberty movement to act uncivil or unruly. However, I expect ALL of you to stand your ground. It's not in my nature to be a politically correct, sissy either. If someone is breaking the rules then BOO THE F OUT OF THEM. WE'RE DONE being PC. I want all RP Supporters to get mad as hell. Maintain your composure but DO NOT concede to this nonsense. AZ is a joke anyway, politically. You didn't "lose votes" here because you're passionate. You lost votes here because a bunch of crusty old, crooked GOP supporters didn't follow the rules and imposed their WILL on you. Don't kid yourself.

This is the Revolution

Are we supporting Gary here or Ron paul? There are limits, know the boundries and the rules... Don't break out in mob frenzy and create confusion.... Tht's being reactive instead of proactive... Be respectful of others..... BTW were you at the AZ CONV 'cause I was.... Just saying.... PPl were scared....

Yeah

Yeah, I was there. It's sad to see people so out of touch with the message of liberty and what we are actually trying to accomplish. They don't realize that if you want to change government you have to become it. Instead some fringe group of people choose to soil the cause with their calls for disruptions, rudeness, and disrespect of the effort a lot of us have put in to further the cause. What happened at the convention is over and we must move on and learn from our mistakes. We can't afford another convention like that. It wasn't until today that I learned how much of our work here went up in flames. Perhaps they will never learn, but that is ok because I can be fairly certain that they aren't the ones putting in the work to get elected so that they can make a difference because I don't see how they could sully their own names and undo all of that work that has taken us years.

We can't afford another

We can't afford another convention like that? WTF! We won a whole lot more delegates than we were expecting, and you want to call the whole thing a failure???

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

This is bigger.

I did not call the convention a failure, but it set us back further than I would have thought. You do not understand that this is a movement to become government and change it. This is not JUST about getting delegates to the RNC. It is about getting senators, representatives, councilmen, committeemen, and chairmen elected so that we can have true conservatives representing the cause of liberty. A lot of us have sacrificed a lot to get in the position that we were, and now we've been set back. We couldn't have the delegates without the PCs and we couldn't have the PCs without the GOP establishment. It is as simple as that, it's a numbers game, and they have more. We got those delegates to the state convention through mutual respect and cooperation, and a lot of hard work from a lot of people. In some cases we just had to show up, and in others we had to work the room a little, smile, and be polite. The liberty movement took a big hit in AZ and right now we're working on damage control to once again build a rapport and gain back some respectability.

Muffin, I've been doing this

Muffin, I've been doing this longer than you. I have been a PC for 5 years now. Before that I was my County Chair. I know what time it is. Thanks for your attempt at educamating me, but I'm not interested. You became a member here after the convention so you can post your controlling thoughts here. FWIW, we believe in freedom here, the freedom to live your life how you see fit as long as it doesn't harm others. If you can't wrap that around your mind, vote for your boy Mittens!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

I wish you luck in your

I wish you luck in your endeavors, for a man who fights against his own cause needs all the luck he can get. My vote will always be for liberty, and Dr. Paul will have my vote in November. Live your life as you choose and let the rest of us fight onward to victory without having to drag the weight of unnecessary criticism and animosity. Again, to you I say good luck. For Liberty!

If you buy your own bullshit,

If you buy your own bullshit, why do you hate Ron Paul so much Mr. Zemel? Or, are you his evil twin brother?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

AND BTW

NO state in this republic is a joke.....

Hear hear hublife

Hear hear hublife

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

We're in Stealth mode now!

ALL Future delegates and alternates, dress very nice and wear Romney pins or stickers to your convention, if they think you are a Romney supporter, they will NOT try to force you out, hell, they may even ask you to be a national delegate. We need to know who we are, they DON'T! You will get further if they think you're a fellow Romney supporter!

That's not Ron Paul's style

That's not Ron Paul's style

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown