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I'm A Near Atheist Ron Paul Supporter And I Prayed Tonight

I was walking along Redondo Beach tonight. It was quiet, the waves were crashing and I was out there alone.

I was thinking of this country, what we've been through, what might come. I was thinking of the support and bond between RP supporters.

Out of nowhere I broke out and 'prayed'. TO who or what I don't know, those questions don't plague me much anymore. I don't know if anyone or anything heard me, but I found myself yelling at the ocean in the dark.

It ended when I said to myself "You know you're yelling at water...right?"

I was a "Christian" at one point. Now I would say I'm Agnostic. But who the hell cares about labels? I don't.

I'm not going to 'see the light' though, it won't happen, so don't preach to me please. But...there are very few things that will make me talk to whatever is out there these days and this happens to be one.

I don't care if a "God" or whatever force out there answers my prayers for MY sake. But there are a lot of good people in this struggle who I feel deserve the victory of seeing a RP Presidency more than I do. People who have done more, believed more, given more of their time.

If a "God" exists I hope He/She/It answers the prayers of those who believe, and that's what I prayed for. It doesn't make sense to me either. In fact the whole time I was saying how I don't believe but others do, so help them, and so forth.

I hope something heard me. I highly doubt it, but stranger things have happened. Maybe I hope the collective will of those who do 'believe' will be answered by some force, but that's as far as I can go with 'faith'.

It's weird logic, I know, but I figured it was worth a shot.



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The Founders also prayed to God when they founded this nation

"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States..." -The Declaration of Independence

"...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." -2 Corinthians 3:17

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

Cheers

If several of million of people did the same things would really be rocking imo.

donvino

I didn't think many people

I didn't think many people would even respond to this thread.

I appreciate the words, and people's views on what 'it' all is.

Without getting into debate I will say a little something about myself.

Once when I was a different person I was a "believer". I was actually interested in becoming a Theologian. I studied the original Hebrew and Greek, was deeply into it all.

I came to a different path, actually paths, and over a decade later I can only conclude I don't know what is out there. I personally can't pretend or claim to know and I won't.

I feel it's something, but I can't put a name or face on it.

I say "Agnostic" and teeter even closer to pure "nothing is there" sometimes. I highly doubt I would ever return to "Christianity" or believe there is a "God" though. I'm pretty sure that part of my life is over.

BUT it's been great to know that I can fight along side with "Believers"(of any faith) for all things Liberty.

I guess the cause transcends that stuff. I hope that doesn't change.

Friend to Minarchists, AnCaps, Voluntaryists, Agorists, Constitutionalists, Libertarians, Paul Supporters, Free Marketeers, Jeffersonians, Status Quo Buckers, and Ron Paul Fans.

Pax Libertas. Semper Veritas. Semper Res Publica.

Prediction that Constitution will hang by a thread - fight on!

To me, Ron Paul's fight for the presidency is a very spiritual pursuit. Here is an excerpt from a well known LDS historian Hugh Nibley:

Brethren and sisters, let me say in closing that we have it of record, that the prophet Joseph Smith said the time would come when, through secret organizations taking the law into their own hands, not being governed by law or by due process of law, but becoming a law unto themselves, when, by those disintegrating activities, the Constitution of the United States would be so torn and rent asunder, and life and property and peace and security would he held of so little value, that the Constitution would, as it were, hang by a thread. But he never said, so far as I have heard, that that thread would be cut. I believe, with Elder Richards, that this Constitution will be preserved . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfwXEbAlVQk&feature=related
Amazing 10 min video of Ezra vs. Obama (6:46+ a not miss)

Ezra Taft Benson penned the Proper Role of Government
http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6985
And from this site an excerpt

The Need to Prepare

Will we be prepared? Will we be among those who will "bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction"? If we desire to be numbered among those who will, here are some things we must do:

1. We must be righteous and moral. We must live the gospel principles—all of them. We have no right to expect a higher degree of morality from those who represent us than what we ourselves are. To live a higher law means we will not seek to receive what we have not earned by our own labor. It means we will remember that government owes us nothing. It means we will keep the laws of the land. It means we will look to God as our Lawgiver and the source of our liberty.

I believe Ron Paul is an agent for good and I accept his direction, so now I need to type up a 2 min speech to try to be a delegate because the local campaign wants them all in today (they need alternate backup/helping where I can).

same.

I was born and raised in a very Catholic home. After joining the liberty movement my eyes were opened. I've seen how very few Christians, regardless of the denomination, actually have priorities that are in line with their central themes.

For those who do live a righteous life without being self-righteous (like Dr. Paul), I have the utmost respect for them. They truly make the world a better place. Unfortunately this does not describe even 10% of religious people. As such I could no longer associate my self with them. It was hard and there was a lot of self-doubt. In fact, there still is. But such is life. I am young and it is a journey.

Pottawattamie County Iowa

"Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven't had capitalism." -Dr. Ron Paul

God nocking on that door?

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." - Hebrews 11:1

Man was created with a capacity of faith, to worship in something bigger than himself.....problem is with what will that hole be filed.

The night is far spent, the day is at hand.
And those who have not heard shall understand.

A wiser person than I once

A wiser person than I once said: If you take one step towards God, He will cross the Universe towards you. People take what they choose to, from the bible--you had an experience..:)

In God We Trust

...takes on new meaning. If you have as much faith as a grain of mustard seed takes on new meaning especially when you act.

Good overcomes evil. We're seeing an acceleration. Thanks for this thread..

fonta

Think some of you could use

Think some of you could use the following. God is not some force, he is Holy and Righteous, and looks at the heart, and would not answer some of what is being called prayer anymore then you or I would if someone asked us something that way!

James 1:5
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

God bless.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Also, I always take comfort

Also, I always take comfort in this Bible passage. How strong is my faith? God is always faithful, and it is Him we are relying on, not ourselves - and He is Faithful and True.

2 Timothy 2:11-13
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:

12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I don't want to 'evaluate' your post . . .--

I don't think belief/faith (whatever the person claiming them believes about them) should be evaluated by any other person, because it is so personal.

But I thank you for what you wrote. It uplifted me. And I do pray, often. :)

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Benjamin Franklin's request for prayer at Constitutional Convent

Benjamin Franklin - July 28, 1787

Mr. President -

The small progress we have made after 4 or five weeks close attendance & continual reasonings with each other-our different sentiments on almost every question, several of the last producing as many noes as ays, is methinks a melancholy proof of the imperfection of the Human Understanding. We indeed seem to feel our own want of political wisdom, since we have been running about in search of it. We have gone back to ancient history for models of Government, and examined the different forms of those Republics which having been formed with the seeds of their own dissolution now no longer exist. And we have viewed Modern States all round Europe, but find none of their Constitutions suitable to our circumstances.

In this situation of this Assembly, groping as it were in the dark to find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when presented to us, how has it happened, Sir, that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying to the Father of lights to illuminate our understandings? In the beginning of the Contest with G. Britain, when we were sensible of danger we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection.- Our prayers, Sir, were heard, & they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending providence in our favor.

To that kind providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful friend? or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance? I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth- that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that "except the Lord build the House they labour in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing Governments by Human wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.

I therefore beg leave to move-that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of this City be requested to officiate in that Service-

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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This movement

is going to show you, God does exist.

If you haven't figured it out about the people involved in it yet, nothing is over, until we say it's over.

Even Dr. Paul cannot control what this movement wants, without dropping out. They want Ron Paul as president - Period. And they are going to mob every convention all the way to Tampa and do things their own way regardless of what the campaign says or tells them to do, to try to make that happen.

All prayer is, at minimum,

All prayer is, at minimum, meditation, introspection, and selflessness.

All persons can pray, and need not be "religious" to do so. A "moment of silence" is a good example of non-religious prayer, as is grace before each meal, and mourning the dead, any many others.

I use the Christian God as the model for my introspection, because I feel those core virtues are something I should ascribe to, and that I am personally too weak to believe in just myself. I personally need a role model to iron out my deficit of character, and so "pray" to the Christian God to comfort myself against the hardships of the world, but mostly to comfort myself from my own inadequacies.

When I view prayer this way, I find no contradiction or dissonance when reading your story. Thank-you for sharing.

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I love the diversity of the Paul crowd...

We all do not agree on everything...but we do LOVE Lady Liberty...and feel that she must be defended with our lives.

Hang in there friend! We are going to win this.

Nothing this grave and important--comes easy.

Thanks for your support (and prayers) :) for the Battle for America ahead, because we all are going to need it!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Please keep on "Keeping on"!

~ and remember - we are going to need MILLIONS of more Prayers, a Lots more Faith, countless hours of WORK.... followed by more prayer! [George Washington and many of those farmers were out-numbered in 1773, 1774, AND 1775.... and look at what they accomplished!).

Proberbs 3:5-6 (if you like to read)....

(or just look on US "paper $1 bill")

In God We Trust!

;-)

"In God We Trust"
Galatians 4:16

Discover Deism

It was good enough for Jefferson and Paine. This is how I describe my own beliefs:

Deism means there is something powerful and
grand in the universe that is bigger than human beings
are. It is larger than our ego’s projection. Experiencing
the Deity, how ever one does that (for me it is often
being in the state of awe) diminishes our own tendencies
toward narcissism and our controlling instincts. It
helps us see order in things and brings peace. Deism
motivates us to do good things out of respect for that
amazing order. It also humbles us.

My interpretation of Deism leads me to be rational
in how I explain the world but I am also open
to other ways of knowing, such as emotional experience,
intuition, archetypal awareness, or social intelligence.
I claim no superior wisdom or privileged
knowledge and seek to learn continuously from others.
I do not admonish revealed religion or atheism
but I do point out where I have reasonable interpretations
that may be inconsistent with tenets of those
other beliefs. Most importantly, I strive to approach
life with realistic optimism and hope because I experience
the wonder and the order of the universe.

Thomas Jefferson wasn't a deist

A deist believes only in a "clockwork God" - not one who is active in the affairs of men. Thomas Jefferson believed in an active God. He also was an orthodox Christian for most of his life.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

Jefferson wasn't a deist, he

Jefferson wasn't a deist, he was a vestryman at his church, and instituted the first public church services in DC, as well as designing the new church building of his congregation when the old one was abandoned. I could go on.

Pain was the only deist at the end of his life that some people call a founder, but he was widely disliked by other early founders for it. Franklin was briefly a deist in his 20s, which in his autobiography he says he regretted. He offered advice to his daughter to attend church.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I too

I too am not that religious, but prayed during the Maine straw vote for a Ron Paul win. Disappointingly, he did not win and was actually cheated out of it in my opinion (and the opinion of many others here). However, I was delighted when Ron Paul actually destroyed Mitt Romney during the delegate selection process with 21 to 0 delegates! So it looks like God (or whatever) really did come through on that one.

Cant Explain it myself, but here goes

I am a Christian, but it was a long road getting there. Even when I was a child, I expected, no even demanded, a detailed explanation of what, where, when, and why. As a teenager, I wanted clear, concise proof of existence. Now I realise there is none, except in our hearts. But likewise, there is no proof of the non-existence of God either.

Simplified, evolution theorizes that we came from a soupy mix of chemicals that spontaneously generated and evolved into the amazing species of Man. Even Charles Darwin stated (I'm paraphrasing here) that after looking at the working of the human eye, it was hard to believe it was not created by a divine Creator.

I find it hard to believe the great, thinking, man or woman of today evolved from a cell that evolved from a frog. (maybe that is only selfish thinking on my part) But I find mankind to be extraordinary, expecially those of you who participate in saving America. (you know who you are)

Dont compare organized religion with God or Faith. They are not the same. Some "churches" are where charlatans hide, some are not.

In my quest for proof, I found a youtube vid showing a experiment using a living cell, after the cell was pierced it did not regenerate. I will try to find the link and add it, it is interesting anyway.

One thing I know, I personally receive a wonderful feeling of unity and friendship when reading this blog (except for the trollers)because I know everyone here is voraciously dedicated to electing Ron Paul and restoring America. That is something I feel very strongly, with pride, and even though I will never meet many of you, I feel a kinship, even friendship and I feel we are on a momentous journey to restore the Republic and I pray for you our success often and thank everyone who is so dedicated in works and thoughts.

Keep Praying, if there is a God he will hear it and decide what is right for America, if there is not, you have lost nothing, and probably help yourself feel better anyway.

My best to all you, my friends, never give up, Dr Paul knows what he is doing!

Good Stuff!

I was an active member of a non-denominational church just 3 years ago. My "waking up" and move toward a more rational line of thinking left me with a void for quite some time. But, my wife and I both STILL find ourselves saying "Thank GOD!" or sometimes embracing when we both are clearly seeking a "spiritual" something. I don't go around calling myself and atheist unless pressed to "label" myself by some religious fanatic. I feel much like you did while you walked on the beach last night. I can't know if there is or is not a God. Logic says no...but even in this world I've seen some things that are stranger than fiction.

I think of it like this. When I was in my moms womb for 9 months...it was my previous "world". I'm pretty sure I didn't want to leave that "world" when I entered this one...and I'm pretty sure I will not want to leave this one when my time comes. But, all I can say is when I die, it's what's next.

Great post Pax!

Maybe the word you want to describe yourself

is agnostic: you are not certain there is not a god, either. (and what is after this life is, as you put it, "It's what's next"....) Continue to search for truth, (as we all strive to do) and it will run to you.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15
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Bump!

God sure does work in mysterious ways!We are all in this together,united and strong!That is what we have and they can not stop us!Thank You and keep the faith and pray!

President Ron Paul!

Go get them delegates everyone and DO NOT STOP!!!!!

Something to think about

Many an unbelieving man has prayed while the bullets are flying overhead in some war zone. When the shooting ends, so do the prayers.
Troubles are often good for us, when it is God who is orchestrating it.
The unbelievers will not seek the True and living God unless God Himself draws him to Himself.
This is what the Bible says.
If you are seeking God, then please, get yourself a Bible, preferrably a King James Bible and read it. Read it and pray for wisdom from Him who is all Wisdom and Truth.
Maybe you know someone who is a true Christian who can help guide you in some understanding.
God does not want us walking day by day in our own strength, trusting in our understanding of things. He is the answer to all our troubles whatever they may be. He wants us to trust in the power of His might.
I too, was in your shoes a long time ago and it took something very troubling to draw me to Him. God uses many different ways to draw someone away from the world and the things of the world and unto Himself. The bottom line is this....not only do we need help here and now from that Higher Power that many do not know, but there is nothing more important than to know where you are going to spend eternity.
Time is short....Eternity is not.

I pray you find Him in your heart and in your very being, and then you will know to whom you are praying. The One who alone can help you in all your trials and tribulations. The only One who can give you joy in this very troubled world.
The only One who can give you eternal life!

" And ye shall seek Me, and find Me, when ye shall seek Me with all your heart" ~ Jeremiah 29:13 ~

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Beautifully said... It

Beautifully said... It honestly brought tears to my eyes, but tears of joy. I recently rediscovered my own faith after almost 2 decades of calling myself agnostic... Since rediscovering my faith in that higher power, that creative force that is God, that void I felt for those two decades is gone. As humans living in modern times, filled with secular reason and science, it's easy to stray from faith. I've realized that it was never ever meant for science to replace faith; It just means you have made science your new belief system of faith. When we take the soul and what is the spirit out of our lives, that is what I think creates that void.

Faith is a tricky thing

It is perfectly protected from those who doubt, but its seed grows rapidly in those who experiment on it. Trusting God or that there even is one is difficult for very many and not without good reason if you look at the world today and through out history. It is irrational and illogical. But for those who operate and surive on faith it is the most rational and logical thing there is.

Does God hear prayers? Yes. How he answers them depends on how you listen. How you listen depends on whether you are expecting an answer or not. Talking to the waves demonstrates a humility. That you alone can not overcome the challenges you see before you and you seek help, strength or clarity. And you hope. And that hope leads you to call out to the thin air. You hope that somewhere out there, there is someone, some group of people, or some cosmic force that can turn things around. You battle within yourself whether this hope is ridiculous or whether to give in to hopelessness. To hope requires faith. If you hope you will listen. If you are hopeless you will give up. Hope increases faith. Faith leads to miracles. Miracles are not proof of God. Miracles follow those that already believe.

I call out to the empty night air as well. I share your same fears, concerns, hopes and desires. I hear no voices. I see no visions.
Still I listen. I watch. I hope. And what do I hear? What do I see? What have I received from the great unknown from what seems like talking to myself?

An idea. An opportunity. A leader. A technology. A crisis. A solution. A tireless determination. Enlightenment. Strength and wisdom beyond my own. Hidden talents (of my own and those of countless others). People in high and strategic places prepared and in position to help. Guidance and protection. A movement.

For our enemies I witness gaffes, embarrassments, scandals, foolishness, calamities, unforeseen circumstances, blowback, illnesses, over confidence, pride, fraud, lies and corruption being brought to light, debt, impropriety and all manner of things besetting our enemies and hedging up their way. Think of all the candidates that have dropped out so far and think of why they ultimately did so.

Those who have eyes to see, and ears to hear see the hand of God working in all things for our good, or if not God they at least see an incredible string of incredibly fortunate unexplainable coincidental events taking place beyond all reason and odds. God has an interest in having a free people, especially one that wants to see the end of wars, bloodshed and corruption.

Not trying to preach at you, believe or don't believe as you will. As I search for answers myself at this sleepless 5am hour, I just wanted to say I feel your prayer for those you said do believe and could use the help. Thank you for this lovely post and I pray for you and all of us as well. May we continue the fight and may the unseen forces carry our humble efforts forward to victory!

"Now ye may suppose that this is foolishness in me; but behold I say unto you, that by small and simple things are great things brought to pass; and small means in many instances doth confound the wise."

Welcome to the club

Let not a single godly man or woman protest that they have never doubted the existence of God. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Agnostic, Atheist, etc; this internal turmoil has plagued all throughout the ages. What I find interesting is that the fundamental idea of God exists in all people. To that end, what he/she is to you is a very personal thing and one should never let religion dictate it. Freedom of Religion.

"Insert wise comment here."

I won't preach to you

but I will offer this man's video to preach to you, and if you are still agnostic after this video which backs up Jesus's birth with the timeline propecy in Daniel, Chapter 9, then I will say you are where you are. Anyway, I pray everyday to make it through another day, and as far as not knowing what is to come, if they have it their way, it is going to get a whole lot worse than it is now. Let's hope it doesn't, but I am of a firm belief we are fighting not only politically but spiritually against dark forces, namely Satan taking over the world through wicked men and women. Keep praying and keep hoping. God Bless...here is the video, I promise it is interesting.

http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/113/201-just-another-man/

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Wow...

I can't believe it. I did the exact same thing, I thin I might have even posted a comment stating something like "I'm an atheist Paul supporter who is praying that we can take Tampa.