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The Campaign Never Had Intentions of Winning

Now before you down vote me just on the title read my whole piece because I am providing facts to lead to my conclusion. I didn't reach this conclusion till I saw Benton's reaction to our reaction to yesterdays news blaming us for what is going down at state conventions. First I want to reiterate what many others on the site are saying and that is Benton, Shut Up Please!!

My first conclusion I have come to is the campaign was really never in it to win it. How do I come to that conclusion?

*Fact: After documented voter irregularities in many states including Iowa, Maine, Nevada, Etc the campaign had a chance to go on TV and blow it wide open. They didn't. In fact the voting irregularities in Iowa was brought to the attention by a Ron Paul supporter, and not the campaign.

*Fact: It has been known since the beginning that Ron Paul has not gone after Romney. Because of this there were questions in the media of back room deals. To this day Ron still has not challenged Romney to a 1 on 1 debate. Why?

*Fact: It doesn't cost much money to send a campaign member or two to these state conventions. If they had done so in places like Arizona then they could have helped us with the problems we have been having with the establishment (fake slates, convention chairs, political maneuvering, etc). They would have seen first hand we weren't causing the problems at these conventions and we were being respectful up until the heads started breaking the rules. Not only did the campaign not send people to places like Arizona but now Benton is going to Politico and blaming us for the problems there. He also blames us for "hostile takeover attempts in Idaho" Edit to Add: Romney thought the state conventions were so important that he sent his own son to the Arizona convention

*Fact: The campaign has not been near as aggressive as other candidates. Benton states today that "You need to give respect to get respect". How has that been working out Jesse? We and Dr. Paul have been respectful and it has gotten us nothing but the establishment and media taking a big dump on us. We can only get slapped in the face so much before enough is enough. Lack of aggression on calling out the media bias & establishment bias.

*Fact: A blatant break of Rule #11 was not only not pursued, but Benton went ahead and colluded with the RNC to make sure that nothing would become of it, to make it all go away...

*Fact: Benton all but announced the suspension of the campaign and yet wants us to send them more money even though the estimates are the campaign has anywhere between $1.8 and $4 million dollars in the bank.

At the end of the day not only do we have the establishment and media bias against us. But after seeing Benton's reaction today in Politico http://www.politico.com/n... we have to deal with the campaign taking a crap on us also.

I don't think the campaign ever had intentions of winning. Why? That can be debated. I have said for awhile now this movement is bigger than Paul. This movement is about an idea. I will still support the liberty movement throughout the various Pacs, however I will no longer support the campaign monetarily. I'm not gonna donate to someone blaming us for what is going on (or not going on) at these conventions.

I also wanted to hold out hope that the announcement yesterday was a chess move in a game of checkers. After reading about Benton today I have come to the conclusion that it is not reasonable to think this is the case. That is like sitting on the Titanic and thinking the Captains have a back up plan.

It's time to continue the revolution, keep taking over the states and do whatever it takes to do so. Don't let people stomp on us, we didn't take crap in Missouri and we won because of it. Don't look for support from the campaign, because as we have seen so far, we will not get it...

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Stop Bumping this Thread Up

I only posted on here because it was at the top again. Our cause unites us and we will try to get Dr. Paul the GOP nomination till the very end. these negative posts make my eyes bleed every time they get up high.

Now is not the time for in-fighting and negativity. It makes us look weak and unattractive. We must push forward!


Click on this "thread for cowards" by mistake......


Cute !


No One But Ron Paul 2012!


"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams --


...and a 16 week one at that.
They're as thick as mosquitos tonight, so.....

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Nothing can stop an idea thats time has come.

Not even a self defeating campaign.

We don't need the Jesse Benton's of the world to win this, and if I thought we did, I wouldn't have joined you all.

What are your intentions exactly? Enthusiasm?

Support from the campaign?? We are the campaign silly. Now just relax, and climb down off the fence. And please do not include me in "us" so much. Thanks

Try this...

If you like what the campaign is doing then get behind them and work with them to maximize their efforts.

If you don't like what the campaign is doing then find a different group (or just yourself) and work with them to do the best job you can.

Done. :)

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Still unsure

I think many of us here at the Daily Paul have lost sight of a very big aspect of what we're supposed to be doing with our movement. It's about winning minds, awakening everyone. The key to accomplishing that is LOVE. It's what we're all about. It's why we're the r3VOLution and not just a revolution. imho these weird statements coming from the campaign may have been partially to scare us into behaving if you will. I understand, it's hard as hell to witness such tyranny happening blatantly. Certain groups not feeling like they have to follow the rules, etc. but we have to always respond with love. patience is a virtue. be patient with those who are yet to respond to (or find out) Dr. Paul's views, philosophy, platform, whatever. The truth is on our side. If we get mad at those who can't see it, how do we expect them to be on our side when we win in tampa. Can you imagine the shenanigans they might come up with when that happens? I have a better idea: lets keep our arms open and our tempers down. Then when they see us cheering our man in the streets surrounding the conventions, they'll look upon us as friends with whom they share a future and not enemies who they must stamp out.

It's either Ron Paul or Obama whether the establishment believes it or not.

I voted it down too

for the simple reason that Ron said in the beginning and several times that he is "in to win it."

So, right there in black and white you are calling him a liar.

You ought to know that he does not lie.

Ron Paul is My President

OK...but in it to win WHICH "IT?"

I understand the long term strategy, but I disagree with the "non-conspiratorial" people running the show. WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR ANOTHER MOVEMENT!

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

Something obviously happened

One day Ron Paul and his campaign are saying they are winning and can win. There is bright line between their rhetoric the day before the Benton announcement and everything since. Doug Wead puts out a video saying not everything has been discussed but that we should know Ron Paul is honorable.

I am willing to bet there is some dirty play here. It is the only thing that makes sense. Something was done or said or threatened that is making Ron Paul back off.

It is impossible to think the campaign could be successful with that kind of news release coming out, and in fact it is demotivating to anyone who has worked to be a delegate or sent hundreds of dollars to support.

I still trust Ron Paul but something is obviously going on here that is not part of the public knowledge and it obviously happened at a very specific point in time.

I have always said that if my candidate is not the nominee I will do whatever can send a most clear message to the Republocrat establishment that I am a voter who votes and who won't stand for more of this unconstitutional nonsense that is being foisted on the American public. If that means writing in Ron Paul I will do that. If it means voting Libertarian I will do that. Gary Johnson doesn't seem like a bad choice.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

so, basically they tried to

so, basically they tried to bribe him and he didn't go for it so they threatened him? Is that what you are saying? I would just tell everyone - there would be not point in keeping it a secret. Not divulging that puts you at greater risk than divulging it. You can't give in to terrorists.

Come on you guys, let's not continue to kid ourselves...

I was a Delegate in AZ and I worked so hard to make sure we had a presence at the convention. I left invigorated and ready to double down on my efforts to Restore America. The messages from the campaign this week cuts us off at the knees. I will continue to donate to the cause of Liberty and I will double down my efforts. However, until I'm convinced that there is any good National leadership for our movement, my efforts and donations will be entirely local.

I think that is great!

A million different people free to act a million different ways for liberty.

Dr. Paul said he'd see it through to Tampa, the doubts and concerns of the Official Campaign are not my issue.

Dr. Paul asked for financial help for the National Campaign so I'll sent them some.

Free includes debt-free!


Ron Paul was always about winning minds, not winning elections. I would love for him to win just as much as anyone else, but isn't winning minds just as if not more important?

no, he wasn't

He has gotten millions donated for a Presidential campaign, not an educational outreach. IF I didn't see a legitimate effort to become President - which for the most part (Benton aside) I did until this last few days - I wouldn't have donated near as much or spent near as much time on this campaign. He has always reassured his followers that he is actually running for president

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Always only about winning minds?

Perhaps you would care to explain then the thing where he wins 12 straight as a congressman each with increasing gaps between he and his competitors. Maybe he knows what he's doing and all of the "they don't know what they're doing" talk can come from people who've actually run campaigns and won instead of whiny naysayers who think because they pulled a lever once and read some stuff on the internet are experts in political strategy.

ok, perhaps

Not only about winning minds, but I think Ron Paul is MORE about winning minds than elections. What I mean is that even if Ron Paul loses the election, he will still be an important figure in history because of his ability to change or "win" minds. I didn't mean to sound defeating about it, I just think Paul is more than just a presidential candidate.


Also, when you aren't staus quo, winning minds and winning elections are the same thing. Ron Paul doesn't rely on big banks and special interests, so winning minds is the way he does it. Him being elected 12 times as a congressman was because of his ability to influence people without money or "scratching their backs".

He always plays to win, when he enters a race.

If his campaign didn't understand it, they will soon.

Free includes debt-free!

Independent money bomb

What is to stop the people who disagree with Benton from running a money bomb independent of the official campaign and then using the proceeds to purchase television, newspaper and radio ads attacking Romney?

I support Ron Paul and voted for him in Ohio because I agree with him on the antiwar issue and on the civil liberties issues that directly tie in with the antiwar issue. I can't vote for Romney because a Romney administration would place very hard line neocons such as John Bolton in positions of direct control over U.S. foreign policy. If Ron Paul does not win the nomination and is not willing to leave the G.O.P. then I will have to choose between re-electing Obama or voting for a third party candidate other than Paul. Before I make that choice, I would like to see Paul's supporters put up a fight.

I respect the tenacity of the people who have given their time and energy to winning delegates but I don't live in a caucus state and I would have liked it if in addition to the delegate strategy there had been a more aggressive effort to win primaries. Why not run an attack ad in Texas? Why do we need Benton's permission to do so?

Or State or District Money Bombs for local candidates

as well as the Presidential effort done locally.

Free includes debt-free!

Money Bombs

Yesss and a weekly or bi monthly mini bomb?

I have been really sad I cant make the current one as
I have no cash flow till Monday and must pay utilities
so I angst over pushing up more debt or giving money now

If we had mini bombs maybe people who get paid bu monthly
and we self employed who cant depend on regular cash flow can give when we get it and not feel we arent carrying our share of the load

Maybe a sub forum for local candidates where we can find our donation link and spread out our gifties to others who
also need.

Thinking that any local gifts that do promos NOW will help those delegates who will run in next round!


Pagans are tolerant by NATURE.

Oh, lordy, can we move on?

Oh, lordy, can we move on?

16 weeks? And you are

16 weeks? And you are qualified to say this? I think not, outta here troll!

There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan

"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr

Iv'e been here less time

Donated several times, plan to keep donating. Notice alot of people slamming others and screaming Troll because they want to keep moving toward actually supporting Ron Paul and putting behind defeatist talk, who's actually trying to hamper efforts here? to quote another Patriot from this site "Lead, follow or get out of the way"

The first of my ancestors arrived in 1687, Indentured to serve another for 4 years, we fought in the Revolutionary war, Civil war, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and Served during Desert Shield/Storm, Now my Family and I serve The "Revolution"

What if this 16 week old member is new Santorum national delegat

??? your comment just sent him to Romney's side. Think before you call troll on someone. don't be a jerk.

are you in highschool greatscott, stop calling troll

If you called everyone a troll that has been here for 16 weeks or less then i bet you would lose half of the Ron Paul supporters. just because we havent' been listening to Paul is '08 we must be posers according to you. you sound like my old highschool friends. Shut your face. You are insulting anyone that left other campaigns like Santorum's people who just started listening to Paul. If you expect to win with the same following from 2008 then you will lose again. embrace people and stop insulting them. I see the word Love in the word rELOVution, yet i don't see it on the Daily Paul site ever.

stop calling troll


As I am on utube vids a lot and have a personal list
I PROMOTE this site

When someone comes here and gets slammed or sees the same old same old forum flaming and caling out TROLL going on its a turn off and we might LOSE them whatever their current leanings so we dont get the chance to educate them.

Also I have a new trick
Many friends send the same daily topics that are here
I get them in my email accounts

NOW I dont pass them on from email tho its easier

I send them with their links HERE
so those who would have got them anyway now get them
with this site link

When I came in the morning I SEARCH for thedailypaul
yeah its a nuisance and I do have it bookmarked

BUT if I do a search every day and sometimes again in
afternoon after work then it helps keep it up in the
listing, ^ *

many drops can fill a bucket :)

beat a path thru the WEEDS of LIES so people can find
their way here


Pagans are tolerant by NATURE.