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Rand will support Romney.

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Since day 1

Since day 1 Rand has said he would back the Republican nominee regardless of who it was. So this is just him repeating what he has said many times before.

I hope Ron and Rand endorse Romney

if Ron can't win, and then I can't wait to watch Ron and Rand crucify him when Rand runs in 2016. Our ideals our important to uphold, but we may have to play dirty for awhile and talk out both sides of our mouth to gain more traction. Let's let the politicians in our corner do the work the way they need to do it, our job as grassroots is to further the message. We cannot scrutinize our own right now, we have to have faith in them and let them work DC the way they have to work it.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I trust Rand

we all should, Rand knows what he is doing, and if he supports Romney, I am going to have to realize that he is doing what he thinks needs to be done to excel the r3VOLution. Rand plays a little trickier than old dad, and maybe his old dad is giving him hints on becoming the inside outsider. I like Rand's style, he blends in just enough to strike. Wasting time on worrying about Rand is wasted time. He would not piss on his father's thirty year fight, there is just no way.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

There were two times I saw

There were two times I saw clips of Rand where I strongly disagreed, and both really go to a lack of respect (ofc, I'm not a psychologist). The first was when he made some personal attacks against the OWS protesters -- it's enough to say their anger is misplaced, you don't have to call them dirty unwashed hippies who need to get a job. The second was a personal attack on gays.

Whereas Ron doesn't personally judge people for their choices even when he disagrees with him (which is why I completely believe his sincerity and understanding of freedom), Rand seems to unnecessarily insult "everyday people" who happen to hold a different view.

Even when talking about big government liberals Ron says something like "Well their heart is in the right place, they want to help people. They just don't understand the economics of why it's counter-productive" and then goes on to give evidence of his point.

You are coward and do not trust yourself, so you look

for fools to guide you. you have no strength, so you look for others who talk big with both sides of their mouth, and then you find an excuse to latch on them and take the ride to hell that they will send you on.

jj

Right now...

Rand has one thing going for him... his dad. I have always liked him, but the jury is nowhere near a verdict in my book.

Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!

I have seen 3 or 4 times

I have seen 3 or 4 times where Rand has stood up to the establishment and stopped the FEDS. RTand has my respect. I will vote for Rand.

I 2nd this

I agree !

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

Rand is ambitious.

Ron is not.

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

I think Ron Paul is ambitious, as he is on a mission,

Rand is forging a career. Same but different.

You don't "forge careers"...

...in politics, if you want to be part of this movement.

Only statesmen need apply.

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

posturing

I think a lot of what might be going on right now is posturing so our delegates that are going to the convention actually get seated. If they think that we will play nice and go with the flow they will be less on edge and more inclined to give us a voice at the convention, if they think we will disrupt and cause a ruckus they might try to expel us before we even get there. Just a hypothesis, but I think the campaign is trying to appear at least that we will play nice......and I hate to say it but they need to do exactly that to give us a voice and a chance.

so I will not support Rand.

no big deal as I was never overly excited about him in the first place.

Rand is willing to sell out...

We are not.

I will lose complete respect for anyone in this movement that folds and votes for Romney.

The movement will continue to eradicate the cancer that is the current GOP from power at every level and replace them with GOP 2.0/Liberty Movement candidates.

The movement is bigger than than Rand and even Dr. Paul himself.

GOP 2.0

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

How is it selling out? Rand

How is it selling out? Rand said ages ago he would support the nominee, and Ron was his first choice. I know he was hoping that nonimee would be Ron, but if it isn't, then he should still stick by his word. He is a freshman Republican senator. Going back on his word and commiting political suicide won't help the liberty movement at all, and would probably hurt us. Especially in these smaller house and senate races where Rand's endorsement matters and can make a real difference.

Seconded

"I will lose complete respect for anyone in this movement that folds and votes for Romney. "

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Things that are rigid

break easily. If you are on this site, you can't possibly tell me you cannot understand Rand Paul's strategy. I thought we were the awake ones?

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Why are we so strong?

Why do people have so much enthusiasm for Ron Paul? He doesn't compromise, ever, period. Adherence to principle is the glue that holds this movement together. I promise you, if this movement starts compromising, we WILL fail.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

It will also fail if we

It will also fail if we become so rigid and cynical that we refuse to build coalitions or work with anyone, or reject some of our brightest and most hardworking allies. Some libertarians won't even budge to support Ron because he compromised too much by running Republican in the first place. But you know, even Rothbard had thought (hoped) that the Libertarian party would be a major national party by the 1980s. Ron and Rand have both done much to educate and bring the liberty message forward, even if they aren't always perfect.

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Another reason why I can't

Another reason why I can't support Rand.. he is too close to the establishment for my taste..

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

paul is close buddies wtih romney adn speaks frequently

with him. so that is very, very close to establishment. paul is closer to romney than any of the cons rivals, who all did say negative things about romney. paul has yet to say anything neg about romney. paul opts out and instead says romney is better than any of his cons rivals.

jj

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By “no longer spending resources,” Paul avoids this trap. His name is still on the ballot, he’s still accumulating delegates who will be bound to him in Tampa, but he avoids any responsibility for his electoral performance. If he does well, it’s a sign of the popular appeal of his message. If he doesn’t, well, he wasn’t really trying. Paul can escape blame for poor electoral results while continuing to help his fans take control of the party machinery state by state. The strategy may be passive aggressive, but it just could allow him to obtain the most elusive prize in electoral politics: power without responsibility. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

I like Rand, but if he endorses Romney,

he will lose my vote in 2016. Hopefully Justin Amash will run instead in that case.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

If Rand is running, and they

If Rand is running, and they put up Jeb Bush in 2016, I really hope some people reconsider.

So far, Rand is too far from

So far, Rand is too far from my ideals for me to ever support him, unless he changes. Amash indeed looks better. Only time will tell. This movement never started from the top down, and no one will choose who I vote for.

Im sorry

sounds like the audio stream has been edited. Invalid, doesn't stand up in court, try again.

"Freedomless, Will work for Liberty"

11:10...

Benton thinks we might come around to supporting Romney..."if our ideas are treated with respect."....lol....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJdKINAzN4M&feature=youtu.be

12:20...Benton won't even preclude the possibility that Ron Paul might endorse Romney.

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

There has to be

something that he's got up his sleeve.

Even Benton knows that he can't possibly deliver any of our votes for Romney. Even Dr Paul can't deliver our votes for Romney.

It's completely ludicrous to even ponder it, so that can't be a serious suggestion.
Something else is afoot. A misdirection play.

Indeed

"Even Dr Paul can't deliver our votes for Romney."

My allegiances run as follows:

1. Liberty

2. Ron Paul

So far I've never had to choose between them, as Paul has ALWAYS been on the side of liberty. But if, bite my tongue, he ever compromised, I would not follow him.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."