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Anyone still want to talk? Is it ok to question again?, Or are we still drawing a line in the sand?

Look,

Like it or not a lot of us including me still have some legit questions that I feel the campaign needs to address.

The more I hear from people like Jack Hunter , Jesse or Doug, the more I get pissed off. Everything they say holds no water with me....

Think about it....if its so important to secure as many delegates as possible....even if you are conceding and want to impact the Rupublican Party, then why even come out with this "new" strategy?

The only thing they have managed to do is alienate their base. The risk now is that many people won't bother becoming delegates....because no one gives a hoot about changing athe republican party. What they do care about is changing this country? I hate dealing with the Grand ole Club....it sucks! But am willing to do it if it means getting Ron Paul in office.

Furthermore, the only reason I put myself through this putrid process with these party pre madonnas because Ron Paul told me it's the only chance he has if he is to be elected because of the the way the system is set up.

Now he wants me to be a republican, not to get him in office but to be a voice?

I hate the republican party!

Something is not right. Go ahead and dismiss me and my post as some provoceteer or troll or Benidict Arnold but I refuse to be prodded into a cattle chute. At least I have enough guts to ask the questions.

I signed up to get Ron Paul in office. I didn't sign up to martyr myself on the republican altar.

Screw Barry Goldwater, Screw Ronald Regan, and Screw the GOP!

For just one time in my life I want to WIN!.....I want to be free! .... This was the best chance we had at breaking through...finally ! ...and something changed...quickly and abruptly ?

You know what I think. I think the campaign and establishment did see the distinct possibility of the election of Ron Paul. When that came to light, everything changed......Something does not add up.

I want freedom! If I wanted to be part of a club the Republican party is not one of the top ten on my list....

DEX

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Questions Are always Good

Campaign questions...ask the campaign if you really want answers.

If you want to be "Free" - I do not think any political party will offer you that. That is much more than any organization can deliver. Freedom is something we can only achieve on our own I am afraid.

I am looking very hard for a complete path to freedom. I wish you the best.

For two election cycles I have worked to get RP into office. However I dis not anticipate that this one event would have changed a lot. The best I could hope for was finally inserting a new frequency into the matrix that enough people would receive and just maybe they could start to see the state for what it truly is; a killing and looting machine.

peAce

Liberty = Responsibility

I went to state convention

I went to state convention after the "announcement" that Ron Paul dropped out. I didn't feel alienated. See I listened to Ron Paul ever since Iowa and New Hampshire. He told his strategy to everyone. It was always all about the delegates. So even though before this election, I was ignorant. I new what I had to do as a Ron Paul supporter. I also knew I would have to identify other supporters and encourage them to be delegates. If you don't like the Republican Party then change it like we did in Romney's home state.

In summary win delegates and see what happens in Tampa!!!

Romney supporters

Your children are going to kick your ass later if Romney or Obama wins, unless the Government kicks your family's ass first.

Here's an example;

When I was standing outside my polling place in NC handing out info sheets.

A family passed me and I asked if they wanted info on the candidates.

The father just sneered and said "We know what we are doing already"

Their teenage kid who saw my RP button turned around and gave me the thumbs up.

Better pay attention, there's your future.

Question! Ask! Demand away!

My line's drawn.

Frankly at this point, regardless of what the official campaign (not Dr. Paul himself) 'wants,' I vote SCORCHED EARTH, PERIOD!

Blessings to those attending Tampa!

My 'loyalty' is to the philosophy and principles of voluntarysm, which just so happens that the best champion of it has been walking the talk, all by his lonesome for over 50yrs+ (apparently he would tell anyone he came in contact with even during his ob/gyn practice about dangers of fiat currency!) in the form of one Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul.

It's not with the GOP party, it's not with the 'campaign,' it's not with JB, Tate, Fein, or Wead.

It's SOLELY with the principles, though I must admit, kinda hard not to LOVE Dr. Paul, like FOREVER.D

So whatever path it takes to restore/demand/TAKE BACK/Live & exercise daily my Natural Rights, I'm walking that one.

Tampa is just step 1.

Make the best of it y'all!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

All of this discouragement

on the part of Dr. Paul's campaign makes no sense at all. Look at the support he has lost over it. All over the internet people are saying he has dropped out, that Romney is the GOP nominee. We've invested our time and effort into this movement and now feel disenfranchised, betrayed.

I won't vote for Romney even if Dr. Paul asks me to.

fiddle dee dee

Do you REALLY want the

Do you REALLY want the answer? OR were you just bitching? Because the answer is simple. Ron Paul wants as many delegates as possible. Just not for the nomination. Yes...he would have loved to be nominated, but he knows the rules FAR better than anyone here and knows it will not happen. But those delegates can still make major changes come August....BUT...only if they don't do something stupid like try to abstain or vote against their bound choice and get themselves replaced. If they do this, then they will have spent all that money to go to Tampa for nothing. They will still not be voting for Ron Paul, and now they won't get to vote for ANYTHING.

Ron Paul is watching in HORROR at what has been going on with the booing, etc. And reading sites like this. Because he knows that he has been working his ass off for decades, and in the last 5 years, it has FINALLY started paying off. So unless his supporters fuck it up by not listening to him now, he may actually see these changes start to take hold before he dies. But if they DON'T listen to him and try to get him nominated anyway, he will die knowing that his son is out of a job, and that the GOP and USA is no closer to what he wanted it to be than it was in 1980.

Why did this get downvoted?

Ron wants to change the party. He knows he's not going to win the nomination. He wants us to integrate peacefully into the party to force real long-term change, and convention chaos makes that more difficult. You can disagree with the strategy but you're not helping Ron's cause by pursuing your own strategy.

I think you are a troll. yep. that's the ticket!

while I know how silly that sounds... it was the only thing I could think of.....
bump.
(I hate just writing bump)

I feel your pain brotha, but to answer your question completely

You might want to know the BIG Picture Goal here:

Read: What do we want? To Win: http://www.dailypaul.com/233240/what-do-we-want-to-win-and-t...

Read: Re-Branding Liberty Inside the 2 Party Duopoly:
http://www.dailypaul.com/217383/go-libertarian-or-go-freedom...

Yes, please BUY this wonderful libertarian BOOK! We all must know the History of Freedom! Buy it today!

"The System of Liberty: Themes in the History of Classical Liberalism" ...by author George Smith --
Buy it Here: http://www.amazon.com/dp/05211820

The big picture is clearer

Ron Paul does not want to be prez and if he did he would have said so...IMHO

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Oh, so him saying over and

Oh, so him saying over and over how they're in it to win it does not count for him "saying so?" I'm not fan of the Republican party either, but do you honestly think just getting Ron into the white house is all we need to fix a 100 hundred years of bad government? The point is that if we are the republican party we can make it into the party of the revolution and give it real values instead of just phony rhetoric. We must not succumb to the pressures of politics either. We must join the party in mass and change it and control it from the inside. If we take over all the leadership positions, guess what..we win. I'm not happy being affiliated with a war hunger, sell out party, but I will do what I must to change the conversation and enlighten people about the perils of the fed and big government.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

Truth

"..... do you honestly think just getting Ron into the white house is all we need to fix 100 hundred years of bad government"

It's about the journey, folks.

If you don't want to play the game for fear of 'losing', get the hell out of the way.

I thought the whole point of this was to get him in the

White house, am I missing something?

Doing this to be involved in the process is a whole not her thing.

I'm just saying, if you think about it and look back, Ron Paul never said he wanted to be President.

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Sorry, but you're being

Sorry, but you're being ridiculous, he said he was running to win it all, he's not going to come out and say "I want to be President" but he damn sure said "As the commander in chief/President I will" before. . But saying that you thought this was just about this election is idiotic. All us of know damn well it's about more then this one election. This is the biggest but it's not the last and it may not be a recorded win, but it will be a win if we don't give up and act like children and stomp off. Give up now and it's obvious that you are to scared to continue to fight on.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

Yup..

Baring a catastrophe and/or a violent revolution I think working from the inside of one of the two main parties is the only way to peacefully change the country. And changing the country is indeed the op's primary objective, as it is most of ours. The republican party and it's historically fiscally conservative anti war roots is the obvious choice to infiltrate. Too many philosophical battles to fight on the liberal side regarding the proper role of government. Whereas the moderate social issues battles on the conservative side are easier to win because the individual freedom message aligns with being socially moderate.

You know, there are a lot of Democrats

who support Dr. Paul. They may not like all of his positions but, getting back to the Constitution is one they embrace. If you have friends or family members who are Democrats (I do), why not encourage them to infiltrate their party like we are infiltrating ours?

Maybe that way we can still disagree but, all sides will have their freedoms back.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

I think you might be right.

An ad right above your post says to pick Romney's VP. Hmmmm. It'll take some hardcore persuasion from Dr. Paul himself, for me to approve of this. Let's just hope this isn't the case.

Hahaha!

I clicked on it and Ron Paul isn't even an option. Maybe not! Town Hall has to be the worst website in the world. I feel dirty just clicking on that ad.

every click

costs them a little

Hey Dex,

I'm sure you're right about one thing: All talk about Goldwater and Reagan is a mistake. Reagan was a complete wash for the country. If that's all we're aiming for, then we are spinning our wheels.

Quote: It's better to aim too high and fail than to aim too low and succeed.

---Michaelangelo

Yeah, I was really bummed to see the Reagan BS.

Although, I understand the sentiment, seeing what Reagan campaigned on before being elected.

Everyone feels down on their luck

every once in a while. I believe the last few days reflect this sentiment.

Dr. Paul has gone WAY above and beyond the standard of being a nominee yet continues to be met with scrutiny from his party. It's been frustrating,at times painful, to watch from our end so you can only imagine what his family and those closest to him have witnessed.

Ron hasn't asked for our compassion but going on the gamut that's exactly what he needs at this time. His family (and a few of us...lol) as well. The recent campaign statements were nothing more than a momentary emotional setback. Let's prove to Ron and his family that even their doubts won't stop us.

You better start packing your bags Obama.

Yepper

We felt bad in '88.

I agree but......

Like you dexterszyd (the author of this thread) I can relate to exactly what you are saying. You wrote: “Now he wants me to be a republican, not to get him in office but to be a voice?” I hate the republican party!”

So do I, and prior to following the Ron Paul campaign I hated EVERYTHING about politics on both sides. I became a delegate at my precinct then to my county and last week I was a Nevada delegate at our state convention. Like you, I simply wanted to support Ron Paul for president and nothing more.

Last night I attended my second Clark County Republican Party meeting dominated by people fighting for RP but who also understand that we can only fight this battle from within. I didn’t want to go. I still have a disdain for the Republican establishment that continues to fight us tooth and nail as evident at our county and state conventions.

Another state delegate who I became friends with encouraged me to attend. What I witnessed was what the movement is all about. A condemnation of Agenda 21 and we passed a resolution against Preibus's breaking of 11A (Resolution calling to have RNC Chairman Reince Preibus resign for violating RN rules with his early endorsement of Mitt Romeny although Ron Paul is still campaigning as a candidate for the Republican nomination).. plus we voted on our new county liberty based platform that had some obvious compromise but nothing I cant live with.

There were arguments that were fun to watch as the old guard trying to hold on to what little power they think they have. Liberty based Republican Party in Nevada is now taking over from within and I will attend meetings and vote to insure it remains in our control.

This is what Ron Paul is all about. (Thanks Ron, we’ll take it from here)

Even if RP becomes president he can only be effective in the long term if he has a liberty based republican party behind him at the grass roots level on up.

For what it’s worth (dexterszyd) we cannot rely on one person to make changes, we make the changes that need to be made and right now this type of activism is our only hope.

Take over from within.

What doesn't kill us, only makes us stronger.

ALL of us united equals real power and strength. You're upset. I get that. Get past that and think. Divided, we might only get some platform points, at best. TPTB want to divide us. The must divide us. It is US vs.THEM and I, for one, will not surrender or go down without one hell of a fight. The more support we give, the better the outcome. Even the best outcome of all is still possible but, not with people in the frame of mind you are in right now. Unite! Grow even bigger and stronger with us! To visualize what I'm trying to say, check this out:

http://www.dailypaul.com/231627/we-the-rp-people-vs-the-gop-...

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Dismissed

O.K. you and your post are dismissed as a troll, provocateur and a Benedict Arnold!

I suggest you learn to spell or at least use spell check! Pick up your check from the Romney campaign.

You guys are so transparent! Make up some more phony delegate list like you did in Maine...we love to expose you and it only makes our resolve to gain more delegates stronger!

Hell we will nominate Ben Swann for president if push comes to shove in Tampa..........Anyone but Romney!!

Whoa ......

Let's not act like those that we despise.

Reenie, you are WAY out of line.

dex has been around for a long time. He went through the 2007-08 campaign with us and has always been a strong patriot. Where the eff were you 4 years ago?? Maybe you should pay some dues yourself before you start calling someone a troll.
As a matter of fact, YOU fit the bill far better than he does. "Concerned" about his spelling??? If anyone should be dismissed, it is you.

Dex, you bring up many valid questions which we SHOULD be able to talk about.

What is wrong with you

How disrespectful.

You are not able to exchange ideas or have a logical discussion?

I have contributed in many ways to this campaign and here you resort to calling me names?

Who are you?

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Look Dex

You announced that you were quitting yesterday. Why stick around to stir up drama?

We have a job to do. Ron Paul expects us to finish this.