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Get it off your chest, then tell us what’s next? – Forum for Ron Paul Supporters tonight 9:PM ET.

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Recent events from the Ron Paul campaign have upset members of the Liberty community. Many are also calling for calm, and to continue as we were despite the controversial email. We’ve all separately given our opinions on various forums.

Tonight, we discuss these opinions together in a special forum scheduled for 9:PM ET.

Let us know how you feel about what’s been happening with the national campaign, and what the grassroots should do next.

All views regarding this topic are welcomed. We’ll be discussing this respectfully with one another.

Confirmed guests for tonight are Gary Franchi, Gigi Bowman, Adam Kokesh, Tracy Diaz, Jesse Lantz, Christopher Kairnes, Josh Tolley & more TBA

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Ron Paul grassrots has to take over the campagin

I wrote the post in the link below as an reaction to this post.

http://www.dailypaul.com/234280/ron-paul-grassroots-has-to-t...

It is the young people who is the Ron Paul revolution, not an old man like Doug Wead that I respect, but he doesn't get it and I explain why in the link above.

Full Interview here:

Chat Continued over here:

I just received an Email from Rand Paul wanting donations

for the money bomb tomorrow. No where in his email does he say we plan on winning only talking about helping other Liberty minded candidates in the future... I am in it to win and it would be great if they said the same thing... We will see what happens in Minnesota when he arrives...

Interesting

Does this, just posted on Daily Paul, link perk anyone else's interest?

http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/ralstons-flash/2012/may/16/...

I don't understand what the problem is

I've never thought we received any return on the ads for the primary elections. All we were doing was giving our money to the MSM and getting nothing for it.

The delegate process is what we need to focus on. Ron Paul told us that in the beginning. How are we going to outspend Romney in Texaas and California? Why would we want to?

Let's do what we are good at, and that is getting really involved in the process.

Activate Stealth Mode

In the past few days I have been in utter disarray, however when I began to look at the big picture I realized the "strategy". Does anyone remember early in the campaign when Dr. Paul decided not to go to Florida instead to focus on the caucus states and delegates for the state conventions? Granted it did take a few months to see what he truly meant by that, and I am very pleased by the out come. Recently we have been winning, and winning feels good, really good. Perhaps, with the campaign running low on cash and a lot of primary states having their elections soon it was wise to make that kind of announcement.

Also in my opinion, we have causing quite a stir all across the country, and in turn causing the Old Guard to become terrified; extremely terrified. Worst case scenario is that the Old Guard will start, "lashing out like cornered animals", and begin to change the rules for the RNC early or worse. If this is the case then I would've done the same thing, and go under the radar as long as possible so that nothing dramatic happens before hand. By having the Old Guard & MSM "think" we're dwindling away, but instead allowing our numbers to plume in the background until our faithful day at the RNC. Its all about strategy everybody and I must say this was an extremely strategic move by the campaign. I must admit I was totally fooled on Monday, shame on me for not seeing through the smoke.

That's not the point

That's not the point. This wouldn't have been a reason to actually *say* it. They could have just done it and kept quiet about it.

The only reason -- save blackmail -- I can imagine for putting it out like that would be if they had wanted to refrain their own followers. Which would mean putting themselves in the way of the movement they created -- or at least catalysed. That's not a very good sign.

Anyway, I pray you guys will find the strength to carry on and stand strong. It would have had to come to that ultimately, of course, but it seems still very early to me. We'll see. Best wishes from Europe in the meantime.

I have nothing on my chest...

but a little on my mind.

Ron Paul is brilliant. He's smarter, wiser, stronger, and more determined than all of us, combined. You think supporting him is difficult, try being him.

Think for a moment about your life - how much do you 'know' that you want to blurt out to anyone in ear shot because it so incredibly important but you simply just cannot do so as they'll consider you a 'kook'? Imagine knowing 10x that amount, holding a public position, and having to do everything 'by the books'. Which truly illiterates to rules set by them.

I know Ron Paul has ties to 'relatively' questionable people, I know Ron Paul has played the game in his own way. More than anything, though, I trust Ron Paul because of what this entire 'movement' (idea) is based on. It's to love, first.

I love Ron Paul, I love each and everyone of his supporters, if for nothing more than that our brainwaves have made the same connection.

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

Nothing to get off my chest; I don't wear a bra.

I don't know what the hoopla is all about.

I support Ron Paul because he comes close to reflecting my views and values. I know he does his best to overcome overwhelming odds against our success. I find no fault with the campaign.

If the reality is that he knows the nomination is an impossible dream at this point then I would expect him to be honest with us. If he has something cooking in the background that requires secrecy to be successful then that is fine with me. I trust him. Maybe he is using the ropa-dope strategy leading up to the national convention.

I will continue to support his efforts. If he is not on the ballot as a Republican or as a third party candidate, I will vote Libertarian as the next best option, knowing that it is just a protest vote because the voting public is just too dumb to understand what is happening to them, and is wrapped up in the left/right false dichotomy. Maybe they enjoy their slavery.

To me Romney and Obama are both sociopaths who gladly use government to enforce a slave system that benefits the few at the expense of the many instead of protecting freedom.

I fully expect the end result will be revolution within a decade as the pain and suffering brought to us by the present system of plunder and control will soon exceed any pain and suffering that could possibly come from revolution.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Relax!

Ron Paul won't throw anybody under the bus... good god.!
He will maxiumize his chances,! Now that's hard money...
He will freak them out in august ,,, i love this ... more delegates ! and more to come...

gary gettis

IMO, after the GOP Convention

IMO, after the GOP Convention in August the Ron Paul movement needs to transition into a nation wide movement under another banner with Ron Paul as the founding father and chief advisor.

GOP

I believe the plan was we would all meet again, in the GOP. Was it not the goal to takeover the GOP from the grassroots ?
The campaign may have capitulated the nomination but the real movement has been taking the GOP, one County at a time. Now there are hundreds of traditional conservatives - Paulites - running the GOP

What we need is a front man, plan and simple

Grand Ole Paul

Michael Nystrom's picture

Why not before?

The official campaign has already admitted he won't get the nomination.

They've thrown in the towel.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts
reedr3v's picture

Your question is the one the Campaign

needs to answer. If RP cannot get the nomination, why be in the Party that rejected him a second time for an unprincipled NeoCon?

That said, I do see value in the delegates and others at the state level working to take the places of the old guard.

But Ron Paul has connected with so many, inspired so many, opened the minds of so many -- why let all that go with a whimper instead of a real r3VOLutionary campaign, where we the grassroots media can take his message to the entire world with no restrictions from the Party, no compromise, a full intellectual and moral challenge to the System, clearly demonstrating a real alternative to the lies and pandering and authoritarianism and coercion of the 2 parties.

Good question Michael however

Good question Michael however there seems to be something going on that the campaign does not want us to know right now. What ever it is I hope it is positive.

Michael Nystrom's picture

I would encourage everyone to think for themselves

Not use groupthink, for that is what we are against. At least I am.

Don't they always say that? "We've got secret information. Trust us."

When people say question EVERYTHING, they don't mean check your coat at the door when it comes to Ron Paul.

It means QUESTION EVERYTHING.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

I agree Michael

Something just doesn't make sense about everything that has happened in the last two days. Whatever happened appears to be recent and I can't believe that Dr Paul would allow all his supporters and delegates to believe that he was throwing in the towel just as a publicity stunt. I know he would never allow us to go through the terrible emotions we have gone through just to get media attention like some are saying. I am usually good with problem solving but this one I just can't figure out. It makes no sense.

It makes total sense

We have been weened, thrown from the nest.
Not because we cant fly, because we can

Ron Paul CANNOT lead a revolution within the GOP. We have to find a leader, set our plans and continue on.

We have been set free, turned loose.
My best guess- Ron Paul just called the bluff.

"Ron, we need your people to win"
"I will set them free, they are yours to lead"

I tried to join the chat but

I tried to join the chat but got here too late.

Sounded like a good outlet to vent about some things. :(

Friend to Minarchists, AnCaps, Voluntaryists, Agorists, Constitutionalists, Libertarians, Paul Supporters, Free Marketeers, Jeffersonians, Status Quo Buckers, and Ron Paul Fans.

Pax Libertas. Semper Veritas. Semper Res Publica.

No Quiet and No Respect!


This is about Revolution, but it is also about a Campaign:

The States cannot STOP THE WARS!
The States cannot STOP THE DRONES!
The States cannot STOP THE TORTURE!
The States cannot STOP THE SURVELLIANCE!
The States cannot STOP THE POLICE STATE
The States cannot STOP THE PRIVATE BANK MONOPOLY!

We need Ron Paul to do those things.

And if we fail to take over Tampa....then these things will simply never be stopped.

The Ron Paul campaign, yourself, TheDailyPaul, and Ron Paul himself should all be encouraging and emploring all the Delegates to abstain their vote, and to prevent a first-ballot Mitt Romney nomination. This is not a point to retreat from as a matter of Strategy. It is unnegotiatable.

That's the problem here.

There can be no messages about "quiet and respect", or accepting defeat gracefully, or pretending that outright theft and fraud were not involved in Romney's case, and therefore it should rightfully disqualify him.

This is about winning here, and it is about winning NOW!

For in a couple of more years, it may be impossible to win and The Internet itself may no longer even support full, free expression.

The time is now folks...

The barracades must be stormed here, and the Campaign itself must also be charging every step of the way.


There isn't a lot of time

Most Democrats don't know how bad and far over the top Obama is *** see bottom for a link to the Great Deceiver
written by a Democrat.
And the smart-ones who know understand that Obama is not the deal
But they will not vote or Mitt.. I mean Obama on steroids one guy called him.

This isn't about Democrat or Republican it's about the people and freedom

THE WARS!
THE DRONES!
THE TORTURE!
THE SURVEILLANCE!
THE POLICE STATE
THE ELITE BANK MONOPOLY!

It's about whats right.

RON PAUL PLEASE If you don't get the nomination run Independent.

Doctor Paul
Everything that's not evil needs you.
And evil is against you.

OB

***
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/05/barack-obama-the-grea...

Just want what seems to be missing, Truth and Justice for ALL
What is fraud except creating “value” from nothing and passing it off as something?

There is plenty of time...I

There is plenty of time...I am sure that is the plan. Why would the campaign show all their cards now and have the RNC trying even harder to stop us? Lets rack up the delegates then decide what needs to be done with them. Also be aware that the campaign can not control what the delegates will do when they get to TAMPA. I am sure that most of them will NOT compromise. They know what is at stake. I urge everyone to calm down. We hold the power here! Lets keep focus and secure the delegates. Then we can debate.

To arms! To arms! The Redcoats are coming!

THANKS TRACY

..And Thanks to Adam and all the others Gigi etc who tried to give
an outlet to the people to vent.
Unfortunately it was more like a classroom with a substitute teacher and all the "kiddies" begging to go to the bathroom LOL!
I've noticed the same when DPers are trying to get updates on a State Convention and someone is posting for the sake of posting.
(Tough to get a question in between the chickens squawking)
Overall I'd like to commend the Initiators and moderators who made this techno-event possible.
Thanks

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Good stuff!! Fire for the

Good stuff!! Fire for the r3VOLution!

¶~~*~~Losing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth. ~Ludwig Börne~~*~~¶

A "respectful discussion" for the

freaked out supporters is good. Let out your displeasure and move on or stay and fight with us.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

next president

If Ron Paul is not our next president it may as well Barack Obama. There is not a dime's worth of difference between Romney and Obama.

e.g. "bill" beeman

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Bumping now!

I think getting ideas out is a good thing!

betty