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Ron Paul: Due Process For Everyone US Citizen or Not

This is one of the topics that attracts foreigners like myself to Ron Paul. For many of us, the trigger that caused great admiration for the man was during a candidate debate when he suggested the golden rule of foreign politics in the face of an American audience that booed him for even suggesting Christian principles in foreign affairs. For me, this was America showing its real face: The US rules, the world follows. Morality stops at American borders.

And yet, here was this grandpa-like politician on stage preaching values that are common to all people of the world: The golden rule.

Today Ron Paul is once again causing an embarrassment to mainstream Americans by speaking out and pushing for policy for the rights of prisoners, Americans or not!

Can you believe that this is 2012 and not 1939 Poland?

This sort of news is hitting one out of the baseball park when it comes to attracting foreign support. Sadly, this may not be the case for attracting support within the USA.

Please tell me I'm wrong. :-(

Today's News: Ron Paul Pushes Measure to Guarantee Due Process to Detainees, US Citizens or Not:

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October 1, 1946

Even with the atrocities of Nazi Germany during world war II, they were all given a fair trial by International Military Tribunal and not one was tortured. Ron Paul is right, everyone deserves a fair trial or we are no better than the legal system imposed by the Nazis during wold war II.

The International Military Tribunal finished its work and handed down its verdicts on October 1, 1946, ironically, on the Jewish Day of Atonement. Of the 22 defendants, 11 were given the death penalty, 3 were acquitted, 3 were given life imprisonment and four were given imprisonment ranging from 10 to 20 years. Those sentenced to death were hanged at Spandau Prison on October 6, 1946. Those acquitted were placed in the inept denazification program following the trial. Those who received prison sentences were sent to Spandau Prison.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Ron Paul is so Right as Usual

The idea of due process, as everything else written in the bill of rights is about moral conduct in defense of human rights and dignity in general not necessarily just about US citizenship.

You are both right and wrong.

You are both right and wrong. Anyone paying attention, American citizen or not, and who is not gaming the system for their own gain at the expense of the people, supports Ron Paul. I tell my wife this all the time: if you don't support Ron Paul, you're not paying attention. It's as simple as that, and that's the bottom line.

Unfortunately there are way too many Americans, probably more than elsewhere in the world, who are simply not paying attention. Most are utterly unaware of geopolitical reality outside their own neighborhoods, let alone the country they surrender half their incomes to in taxes or the world at large. They are even unaware that they are complicit in horrendous crimes waged against innocent people in the name of their country. That the American dollar enjoys reserve currency status, however, affords our citizens, and our economy, a luxury not known to other parts of the world. It produces an odd combination of wealthy and ignorant citizens vulnerable and highly susceptible to Madison Avenue, indoctrination, State propaganda, mainstream media (essentially a Pravda-like arm of the State) brainwashing, and, for lack of a better word, mind control. These people even believe they are free as their rights and freedoms are completely stripped from them.

You have labeled those you've observed thusly "mainstream Americans," but what you are observing are people utterly zombified and clueless and deeply in the "matrix" so-to speak. Ron Paul is only an embarrassment to this completely unaware demographic, which probably does exist in greater numbers in America, but believe me, many, many Americans -- those of us who are aware and can critically think -- do not share these values. The Ministry of Truth and Newspeak also very craftily create the reality you've observed. Bear that in mind when you render judgement against Americans. I'm not saying that you're wrong, entirely -- the sleepwalkers are out there, and in droves. They just don't necessarily represent America, or even mainstream America. They represent the America the media wants to portray, and they represent the weak who follow the herd, no matter what the direction of the stampede.

A very good read

Thank you for your posting which obviously you put some serious thought into. And I agree with all your points.

If you please, accept a modus operandi which has two objectives: First, to shock the zombies to awaken, to use your colourful language; and secondly to draw out responses from those with greater experience and ability to effectively respond in a manner consistent with the principles of Libertarians (which I cannot being non-American and relatively new to RP's movement).

I hope you can appreciate my motives for this style.

Thank you for responding.

We are like the mechanism of a watch: each part is essential.

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No such thing...

...as due process any more. We have lost our rights to the bully forces we have paid for. We have paid for America's destruction by the new nazi-isramerica empire. Our own babylonian govt is set to go to war with it's own people.

Soon, there could come a mosad/govt false-flag-Event that could change history like they did on 9/11/01 and then blame it on Iran, or some other poor innocent country. Same old garbage. The zionistic-babylonians need more hot war fast to take the attention off the crashing dollar and euro. More will be known after the corporate slimebags gather at thena-to and bilder=bergger meetings.

Meanwhile, we will continue to see the constant droozeling from the media-whores and nazi-propagandists spewing their ilky slopbucket smuck across the information highways to keep the mass mind distracted from the dangers that are manifesting according to plan.

Did you say due process?



Your Good

And yet, here was this grandpa-like politician

You denegrate and praise just like the main stream media.

You will be gone when he is elected, I can wait.


Was describing my first impression of Ron Paul which I'm sure is not unique. Mitt Romney, for example, comes across more as the stereotypical American president from the viewpoint of a foreigner.

From where I am coming from Grandpapa-like is not derogatory but nor is it the stereotypical American president.

When he becomes president that is not the only stereotype of America that will be broken.

You need to chill

We are like the mechanism of a watch: each part is essential.

No, I do not need "to chill"

I am simply making a observation based on a large majority of your past "divisive" psotings.

When you encounter someone that has post that can be considered "trolling", all future post are considered in the same light.

Spoken Like Cultist

Being divisive is at the roots of being a libertarian.
I suggest you put down the cool-aid and pick up a history book.


not sure why I am wasting my time responding to you. Liberty is obviously not your forte.

We are like the mechanism of a watch: each part is essential.


Our founding father's wished for us to extend the rights of the Constitution to all people! Yes, even the ones who are supposedly out to kill us based on 'ideology'. The fact that we have a system in place that allows a select few to be judge, jury, and executioner for those that 'threaten' America is a danger. We unrealistically take comfort that 'terrorists' can be killed without trial but think of it this way...if we didn't kill these guys like that then that would mean that the government would have to *collective gasp* actually PROVE GUILT IN A COURT OF LAW.

As Martin Luther King said, "injustice anywhere is a treat to justice everywhere".

Small correction. They didn't wish to extend rights to anyone..

They recognized the rights inherent to all living human beings.

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Give the guy a break

He is 100% correct.
And I believe he is referring to how the US is becoming more like Nazi Germany every day. Which it most certainly is.

And the imprisonment of non US nationals by the American Government, a lot of which are on spurious charges or no charges at all.

If the US carries on like this, pretty soon it will be the US and Israel against the rest.

A lot of Canadians are not enamored with recent US governments, so the US cannot look for support there for very long.

I am a fan of most Americans
I am most definitely not a fan of recent American governments.
I am most DEFINITELY not a fan of Romney.
I am from the UK.

And if I travel to the US again it will not be thru a US airport - TSA.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."


tell you your wrong... Because your right!
But what's with the name? Rothschild?

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

Thank you for the compliment Johannes

Pertaining to your inquiry:

What's in a name? That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet.
If you prick us, do we not bleed?


We are like the mechanism of a watch: each part is essential.

1939 Poland?

What do you mean?

your quote:

"Can you believe that this is 2012 and not 1939 Poland?"

I'm Polish Canadian freedom fighter please don't piss me off.

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I'm not quite sure

what the comment about Poland meant, either. Perhaps the commenter could flesh out the statement......

Hard to Believe, Isn't It?

That the US in 2012 looks more and more like Poland in 1939?

What's your problem with that comparison? Aren't you on the side of freedom fighters in both instances?

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

You are wrong.

Liberty is not a competition between EU and USA. Just because some establishment plants were perhaps paid to boo Ron Paul at the debate in SC doesn't mean ALL Americans share the same stupidity.

Europe has to find her own Ron Paul, or at least recognize her Liberty warrior - Daniel Hannon. NOT ONE of my European friends has even heard of this man, nor do they know who that man is.

Put Down the Bottle

Ron Paul promotes universal rights for all, American or not. I make no reference to competition in my posting. As for you blaming the laughter on paid agents...well that is your brain rationalizing away what most Ron Paul supporters believe it was: A candid look at what America has become: Paranoid warmongers.

Ron Paul and his true supporters are working to change that. What are you working on?

We are like the mechanism of a watch: each part is essential.

Ron Paul never ever promoted "universal rights"-prove me wrong!

Personally I AM TIRED of hearing people putting words in Ron Paul's mouth, such as "universal rights", as well as others, such as yourself, putting bottles in my hand.

What makes you think that you are the person to hold me accountable for what I am working on? I can see what you are working on though - instigating quarrel and trolling.

Human Rights

The Constitution is clear, and the Declaration of Independence (also officially the law of the land), is even more clear: our rights come from our Creator, to quote Ron Paul, "in a natural way" and we have them by virtue of being human (Ron Paul believes, from conception), but certainly from birth.

I guess you could call that universal, if by that you mean human beings everywhere have the same unalienable rights.

That's why murdering non-citizens is just as wrong as murdering citizens. The rights are the same.

There are only two "priveleges" (not rights) that I can recall in the Constitution that only apply to citizens: being elected to federal public office, and voting.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

I agree completely.

It is easy to get hung up on the semantic details...

The Declaration of Independence is founded on Natural Rights and Natural Rights do not only apply to Americans. Ron Paul has made it very clear that he believes that Natural Rights are applicable to every human being, hence Natural Rights are universally applicable to all humans. But still, "universal" is just a property of Natural Rights.


Ron Paul Rights for All

Put the bottle down and read the article. You can do that by moving your mouse over the link and clicking on it.

He is pushing for rights for prisoners to be universal in that they are the same for citizens and non citizens.

Frankly I can't see how to simplify this for you more than that.

I'd like to see your proof by the way for your claim that it was a few paid agents that booed him rather than a large number of people in the audience. LOL

That's is what is wrong with America today: The boogeyman did it.

Vocabulary Building:
Universal http://www.yourdictionary.com/universal?print=preview

We are like the mechanism of a watch: each part is essential.

Humanitarian issue!

Freedom is what most people in the world find attractive about the USA! But we are seeing that as a thing quickly fading into the past...
And if the USA wants to regain respect in the world, it will have to learn to have respect for all people!

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

Man, I love him

He truly believes and trusts in the principles of justice and fairness! So do I! I was astonished to learn that the mastermind behind 9/11 hadn't even been tried until this month. Good grief!

Shared this article on Facebook, complete with the comment "Don't make the mistake of believing that Ron Paul's competitors believe these things. They don't."

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine


The Golden Rule
RON PAUL - Absolutely Rocked in Europe! Booed in the USA


We are like the mechanism of a watch: each part is essential.

I'm an American

Living in the EU and it is great to see how many here have received RP!
And at the same time, the media spin was unbelievable over the past few days... Funny thing, more Europeans didn't bu it like so many in the US did!

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

Sad but true

yeah, I could not believe that they (christians they claim to be)booed the golden rule!there is many in America that think they are free only if thet are in power! oxymoron
ps The GR is the solution!