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If You Meet The Buddha On The Road, Kill Him

A parable, in which you may (or may not) find meaning.

Question:

I have heard the phrase,"If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him!," many times. Can you explain this?

Answer:

It actually comes from an old koan attributed to Zen Master Linji, (the founder of the Rinzai sect). It’s a simple one:

"If you meet the Buddha, kill him."

I’m sure you already realize that it’s not literal. The road, the killing, and even the Buddha are all symbolic.

The road is generally taken to mean the path to Enlightenment; that might be through meditation, study, prayer, or just some aspect of your way of life. Your life is your road. That’s fairly straightforward as far as metaphors go.

But how do you meet the Buddha on this road? Imagine meeting some symbolic Buddha. Would he be a great teacher that you might actually meet and follow in the real world? Could that Buddha be you yourself, having reached Enlightenment? Or maybe you have some idealized image of perfection that equates to your concept of the Buddha or Enlightenment.

Whatever your conception is of the Buddha, it’s WRONG! Now kill that image and keep practicing. This all has to do with the idea that reality is an impermanent illusion. If you believe that you have a correct image of what it means to be Enlightened, then you need to throw out (kill) that image and keep meditating.

Most people have heard the first chapter of the Tao, "Tao that can be named is not the eternal Tao."

(So if you think you see the real Tao, kill it and move on).

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BUMP

Ez

Beware of listening to your

Beware of listening to your analytical MIND that speaks like your ego. To hear spirit you must silence mind and ego.

What emanates from spirit will be loving, compassionate, full of light and benevolence, and make you feel joyful. Anything else is your own mind. :)

Ron Paul attracts many because he is more in touch with his own spirit and does not come from a place of ego. That is the difference that makes him stand out among other politicians. That is the difference that makes him recognized by many internationally. He shines in the darkness of the ego driven politics of this world.

Read Again,

+1, well said, observations of the wise, many of us missed this perspective,
= deserves attention, hoping more folks read it..
All of us are living /animate bodies having a Soul, the Conscious-Self. The Spirit is the helper, that enriches inspires & guides, "Touches" and relates to the soul. We can call it a blessing or gift from The Most High, our Creator.
Ego's pride separates, creates differences, is intrusive, breaks relations.
Ron Paul says "Freedom brings people together".
His short message = Let, & Be (your'self, happy, + responsible individual).

True...

"True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing."

—Socrates

Greek philosopher in Athens (469 BC - 399 BC)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Used to agree but not anymore

Knowing that you know nothing is damaging to the world around you. I used to believe this quote but as the more and more you understand that knowing something is clearly more benfitual to your own perceived reality than simply being ignorant and telling yourself you know nothing.

Some things need not be rememberd or simply needs to be forgotten this quote is one of those things!

It glorifies ignorance and demonises knowledge and understanding!

That is not welcome in a enlightend future.

Thinking one knows everything is more damaging

That quote states that we need to remember that our limited human knowledge is really nothing in comparison to the knowledge out there in the universe. All the World's knowledge is merely a whisper in the wind in relative terms.

Also, on the topic of enlightenment, this applies in the way that one must realize that everything he knows is probably false (as so many people, even RP supporters, are learning). Knowledge does not exist in the brain, that's just memory storage. So you must let go of all your preconceived beliefs to begin to really understand the True knowledge/enlightement one forgets they have within.

I agree, it's a tricky quote to understand but there's more empowerment to it than one may read into it initially.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Thanks for replying. I think

Thanks for replying.

I think the more We tell ourselves we know nothing is kind of like saying every single thought we have is pointless so we might as well not even think or try to understand the world around us.

How can we gain knowledge if the belief that we know nothing is always in our mind???

The "truth" is everything is already known. We as hunans have the mind to learn or understand everything in the universe. To think otherwise is simply ignorant.

How long are we as humans going to limit our minds to nonsense instead of complete understanding of our existence and the nothingness around us!

We have no limits the sooner we realise that the better

Now you're talkin'!

See if you look at this deeper, then most (not everything) of what people know is something someone else has told them to believe as true. Our parents do it, our teachers, our governments, etc. But how many of those beliefs have we attained through our own experience? How much of that knowledge is actually our own?

By seeing that your beliefs are most likely the beliefs of others that have imposed their beliefs on you (it's not their fault, they had it done to them as well), that is what is meant by YOU really may NOT know everything. Memory or regurgitation is not "true" knowledge. You are correct, all knowledge exists and continues to expand. By letting go of those imposed beliefs and remembering how to access this infinite knowledge is exactly what all people should be doing. Create your world, don't just live in the one presented to you. We can see this awareness occurring even in politics today.

Thoughts are not pointless. Pointless thoughts are pointless, such as the ones spit out by the MSM, The Kardashians, or Perez Hilton and so on. We are fed so much useless knowledge that we get farther and farther from our inner knowing.

Do not concern yourself with others' thoughts or lack there of. Lead by example. Show what it means to be a deliberate and "thoughtful" thinker. Make sure you are using your own mind for useful and fulfilling thoughts. The human brain cannot distinguish between you looking at a soda can in front of you OR simply seeing one in your mind. Both are real to the brain. So don't dismiss your thoughts—think deliberately, with purpose.

We are limitless beyond our wildest imaginations. But there are many "dimensions" to our thinking we haven't even discovered yet... scientifically anyway ;) We create our realities because we are in control of our thoughts, perceptions and beliefs. We have let others take control of that for too long.

But we're taking it back one piece, one conversation to one another, at a time :)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

If you meet a pudgy Noystrom on the road do not kill him

just roll him for cash, then force him to take you to a rather upscale restaurant, nothing too fancy and then make him take you home so you can check out his DVDs and maybe tomorrow you can ride bicycles to the park and play frisbee or maybe even go to a pet store and get a dog so you can all play frisbee and after that maybe catch a light opera before retiring.

And then you wake up and.....HE'S GONE! And suddenly you remember your intent was simply to hold him hostage for a large ransom and you got so distracted with the menu and the dog and the frisbee that you completely lost perspective and now all you know is you better get out of there quick because most patriots don't take too kindly to being rolled and imposed upon for hospitality and then your realize that you are in the middle of DuPonte Circle in your underwear and everybody you grew up with and your parents are laughing at you.

And just when you think it couldn't possibly get worse something really really bad happens that only you know deep in your subconscious mind that totally makes you freak out and you feel like you are falling and falling in your underwear in to a deep chasm in the middle of DuPonte Circle and all the art mavens and litterati are falling falling, falling by the millions and suddenly all of K-street is engulfed in this whole whirlpool of this season's latest Burberry and still all you can think about is getting an upskirt shot and you finally realize, hey, this might not be so bad after all.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

Took the words ...

... right out of my mouth.

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The Virtual Conspiracy

P.S. Why do some topics not seem to have the ability...

...to vote comments at least up or down? This would help a lot and be very insightful on this thread as there are so many as well as so many views.

I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war. Ps 120:7
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Better to be divided by truth than united in error.
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"I am the door." -Jesus Christ

Why would I want to Kill Buddha?

He seems like a such a nice guy.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

There is such a thing as truth

as I'd be lost without it! Catchy saying about the Buddha and maybe the first time I've ever heard it. It makes sense and is something the Lord has helped me do at various time in life with various issues.

At the same time the Bible says "Buy the truth and sell it not." This means that there is not only "truth" but "the" truth. Truth is something anyone who seeks may gain access to. That truth is something that should forever encourage anyone who feels defeated by a world where there are no absolutes, nothing solid.

Once you find truth, you may need to discard any of man's added baggage that is hanging on the outside of it, any impurities that would distort it... But you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. You continue to peel away the cobwebs and blow off the dust until you have "all" truth in all of it's shining, brilliant glory.

Not only is HIS truth marching on, but His truth endures to ALL generations. Praise ye the LORD. I love truth! Jesus is the truth and they did kill him but the best part is that wasn't the end of the story -the best TRUE story ever known to man!

I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war. Ps 120:7
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Better to be divided by truth than united in error.
--
"I am the door." -Jesus Christ

Truth

To embrace "Truth" is to embrace God himself. So, to reject Truth, is great error.
Love the Truth!

Think Truth...Trust Truth...Rely on Truth!

What works for me and makes sense...

There are two axiomatic concepts, Existence and Consciousness.

if you are willing to accept the Aristotelian laws of logic the concept of individual rights can be derived from these axioms.

There is a website where you may follow this line of reasoning in the realms of metaphysics, epistemology, ethics, aesthetics and politics.

www.objectivistliving.com

Ron Paul recommended Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand and she is the founder or creator of Objectivism, which is the title of her philosophy.

When she decided as a youngster that she wanted to become a writer in order to create heroic characters she came to realize that the prevailing wisdom was not in sync with her notion of a hero. She did not want her heroes to be sacrificial animals who live and die for others.

She had to devise her own philosophy which held that each man or woman has a right to his or her own life.

She dramatized her philosophy in her three novels, We The Living, The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. You can access her writings in The Virtue of Selfishness, Capitalism:The Unknown Ideal and in The OBjectivist Newsletter.

One reason our society began to fail to follow the Constitution was because of the prevalence of a philosophy which is contrary to a philosophy which is consistent with the rights of individuals. The prevailing ethic was and still is Altruism which holds that individuals should hold other peoples interests and needs above his own. The politicians are all too happy to force the productive workers to pay for the benefits given by government to others.

Ayn Rand identified the fundamental philosophical issues underlying the problems we face and realized that the prevailing ethic would energize voters, lobbyists, politicians, professors, teachers, clergy, parents to indoctrinate children to the idea and moral code which demands that they be willing to help others and enable the government to make it happen through its programs.

If we share the same premises as the Democrats and the traditional Republicans it will matter little that we gain power to implement anything or to dismantle anything. We need a clear vision of a truly free society based on a concept of individual rights properly understood. No one has the right to the productive efforts of another no matter how desperate their needs.

No man's need constitutes an obligation on the part of another man to fulfill that need.

No Man's need constitutes an obligation on the part of another man to fulfill that need.

Nystrom is a buddhist?

Now I know why we but heads over defending yourself. great :(

Warning my comments may anger a lot of highly educated people who have been taught a lie

When I first started to read...

His comments and feelings I had an idea his heritage might be from Japan. Then I went to the "Back up" blog a couple of years ago and saw his picture. It was then confirmed in my mind. I practiced Japanese Martial arts as a young man and have often wondered if he may even be Samurai. Because it is taught not to conduct war unless it is in total self defense. But I am now leaning towards nonaggresive Buddhism with this fine man.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

this story is a good illustration of false doctrine

it's saying there is no such thing as truth. i happen to know there is. read
'death of a guru' by rabindranath maharaj for more on this line of thinking. i got it for about a dollar on amazon.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

I respectfully disagree.

I think it is actually demonstrating the necessity of maintaining an open mind. We may grasp some truths but we would be arrogant to imagine that we grasp any total truth. If we do not have total truth, then to think that we 'know' would, in effect, cause us to close ourselves off from further information if it seems to contradict with things that we assume to 'know.' It may be more beneficial to always remember that we do not have the full truth, or ALL of the information. In maintaining an open mind, as more information becomes available, our images of truth could be more open to encompassing greater concepts.

I don't know. Think about it this way.

When you first realized Ron Paul was right on economics, you believed that what he was saying on economics, the business cycle, the Federal Reserve, etc. was truth right? Now if someone came along and provided "evidence" that seemed contradictory to what Ron Paul believes (Austrian economics), would you have an "open mind" or do you know that what Ron Paul believes about the business cycle is true?

I believe it is healthy for

I believe it is healthy for one to always maintain an open mind while investigating all of the evidence one can possibly grasp. While, at times increased information could lead us to contradict what we previously held to be true, we mustn't assume that this is always the case (or, a negative). Much of the time, the result is increased understanding, a confirmation of the validity of what we previously thought to be true along with the benefit of seeing the concept in a new light and now with increased potential. This is the nature of a 'break-through.' While we believe Ron Paul is right we must remember that the full truth is not limited to what he teaches, or more accurately, what we think to know. So with active and open minds perhaps we will be more capable of future break-throughs as we continue to learn and grow eternally.

Is that ...

Is that true though Jacob? Do you "know", "totally" that we don't have all of the truth? If you don't, then you've really said nothing. Isn't that so? You've made a statement that claims to be "true" about truth telling, or truth realizing while at the same time saying that you can't grasp any total truth, even about truth realization, even the truth of your own statement. It's as if nothing was said when one statement negates the next.

Fascinating, is it not?

This is the paradoxical nature that seems to exist within the core of things. This is part of our dilemma, part of being human and with this we do our best. The only thing I claim to fully know, is that I do not fully know. If you think you have a full knowledge of any one thing, even the most simple, I would love to hear about it. But don't worry. The universe will continue to function whether or not we humans possess a full knowledge of any one thing. Our journey continues and we have infinite room to learn and grow among the Mystery. Perhaps we do possess many "truths," but surely there are unlimited more "truths" capable of further shaping our pictures of the realities we think to already know. The point I'm making is that the limited "truths" we think to possess are not the limits of possibility, unless, you convince yourself that they are because you "know;" a condition that tends to block further assimilation of new information. At one point, the majority "knew" that the earth was flat. Additional information capable of reshaping their reality was rejected as it did not resonate with what they so surely "knew."

I hope you catch my drift.

Good talk Jacob

I enjoy these types of discussions, it just so happens that I feel the core of things is the opposite of paradox, it is order and that since truth exists and it does, no one can deny truth without doing it truthfully. To make the statement that the only thing you know is that you don't know is, while popular, unintelligible. I agree I don't have ultimate knowledge of all things, but some things we know right, in certain instances. For instance if a child is being tortured for no reason because someone thinks it's fun, we'd know that was wrong. Right? And to deny that it was wrong, would mean possessing knowledge to the contrary.

I agree that there are unlimited more truths we can know, but they can never undo a truth you already know, they can only add a new truth in a separate sphere of knowledge. You could have been wrong in your thinking and so have not possessed the truth when you believed you did, and so then possibly replace it with another untruth that you believe is true or replace it with the truth. But the truth exists independent of whether you possess it or not. I can sense that you might say, that you could be hornswaggled and convinced that the truth you possessed was in fact not the truth, and that the new untruth could be put in its place, but the reality would be that you lost the truth, that it still exists and that you no longer possess it. Not that truth had ceased to exist. You can disagree with that, but only truthfully.

Getting your drift and throwing out my own drift, purely for fun and with a smile.

PHILOsopy

BUMP

Ez

Ah, but there is truth. The

Ah, but there is truth. The spirit within you reveals more truth as you are ready to hear that truth. In fact the only truth is that which comes from the spirit within you. Be still, sit in mind silence, and you will know.

Not meant to be preachy!

Beware of listening to your analytical MIND that speaks like your ego. To hear spirit you must silence mind and ego.

What emanates from spirit will be loving, compassionate, full of light and benevolence, and make you feel joyful. Anything else is your own mind. :)

Ron Paul attracts many because he is more in touch with his own spirit and does not come from a place of ego. That is the difference that makes him stand out among other politicians. That is the difference that makes him recognized by many internationally. He shines in the darkness of the ego driven politics of this world.

Well..

If my truth is contradictory to your truth, then either your spirit or my spirit is wrong, we can't both be right and in contradiction on the same topic in the same context. We could both be wrong, or one of us right, but never both of us right in contradiction. I mean come on, that would eliminate all truth, even the truth that you just said. In fact, my spirit just told me your spirit is wrong and that you're just not ready for the truth yet, so I know I'm right.

I'm afraid the concept of

I'm afraid the concept of "same context" isn't really possible. You see, each individual is unique, no two are alike. The experiences of each individual and the constructs of their realities are entirely unique as well. If each individual operates uniquely, then, how do you achieve "same context?" Yes, most people seem to "know" that their version of truth is right, even though majorities of others beliefs might contradict it. Herein lies the problem with the concept of truth.

There is no outside version of objective reality for which to compare our own to, only other individuals' versions, each one different. Why should any one version be more special in relation to the other? I think rather than getting stuck on the idea of right and wrong it is wiser to seek common ground from which to communicate information while maintaining an open mind. Perhaps beneficial knowledge can be exchanged.

Sounds true

But do you "know" that to be "true"? Where would one find this information. I think there is an outside version, you saying definitively that there is NOT an outside version seems to indicate a very absolute statement. But where did you obtain that knowledge of there not being an outside version of truth without there being an outside version of truth to definitively explain that there is no outside version of truth? There is truth or there isn't, you seem to be using truth to say it doesn't exist.

As a Christian (sorry)--

I find this fascinating and intriguing, and I thank you. I love to read about Bhuddism, and I respect the philosophy. (Use Chinese Traditional Medicine, too)--

but the Christian philosophy that I think comes closest to this is "if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out"--

THAT is a hard one to wrap one's mind around, also--

:)

Thank you; I love these sorts of discussions, and if anything, when discussing politics, religion or philosophy is relevant.

(just not name calling over sects)--:)

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

At their Core, Many Religions/Spiritual Paths the Same

Christians say "the kingdom of heaven is within." Buddhists, Hindu's, the same, in their own way. Really all spiritual paths ultimately come to the same place at their core. If you take away all of the teachings, behaviors, proscriptions, stories and practices, you ultimately come to find the truth within yourself. Often you are so busy "out in the world" with your service, your studies, your arguments and practices that you fail to get still and find God. There has been misunderstanding about the statement "Be Still and Know that I am God." It probably should read, "Be still and know that I AM." In "thoughtless" stillness that is all you can ever know - that you "exist", you "are." You are the THOUGHTLESS, open intelligent awareness. Living in that, not identifying with your mind-stream, is "the kingdom of heaven," the Buddha, the Christ Consciousness.

Good to Remember: There are a thousand paths to God. There is your way, and my way. The ONLY way does not exist.

NNNNNN Manual Buzz

The stale argument that "all paths lead to God" is a lie as it's the total opposite of what Jesus said. He said "I AM THE way, THE TRUTH and THE Life, NO man comes to the Father but by me." No one ever spoke like Jesus. I intend to follow, stand and pray to have the courage to die if need be for Jesus.

I wonder how many folks out there would sincerely consider being beheaded, burnt at a stake or tortured to death for the name of any of those other "gods." True Christians have, are and will again -by others who profess to know God.

There has to be truth else how would we have discovered how many lies we've all been fed?

I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war. Ps 120:7
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Better to be divided by truth than united in error.
--
"I am the door." -Jesus Christ

Ruach Adonai? or Godman?

You are likely visiting this site because you believe in individual freedom and possibly by extension a republican form of government (not the party, the form), but you obviously believe that the universe is ruled by monarchy with God at the throne, no? Would that not mean that monarchy is the best form of government, since that is the omnipotent, omniscient Christian God's governing form of choice? The fall of Lucifer alone is evidence enough that Heaven is not a democracy, that is to say nothing of the stories of Job, Abraham and Isaac, even the blood sacrifice of His only begotten son, all of which clearly demonstrate that the Yahweh character in the Bible is a morally questionable, bloodthirsty tyrant.

One will always be at odds with The Republic as long as one thinks they ought to hold the view/belief that the universe is a monarchy. It is from principally white, racist Christians that we have the threat of facism in this country, because they practice a militant religion... which is not the religion of Jesus (the realization of divine son-ship). It is the placement of Jesus on a pedistal stating that only THIS man, of all the sons of woman, is divine and YOU better recognize it. And, while you're at it, you better realize that this (freak idolatry) is also the TOP religion!

"You can be loyal to Jesus, just as you can be loyal to your country. But you are doing your country a disservice by thinking that your country is the best of all possible countries..."

btw, the verse citied in your above comment is a mistranslation from the original Greek, which is clear that the "I" and "Me" in the English translation were mistaken from the Greek words for "Self" and "Holy Spirit Within" (in the Hebrew text it is called "Ruach Adonai Alai" or "The Spirit of the Lord Upon/Within Me"). So, what's really being said in the verse above is "I (the reader/devotee) am the way, the truth, and the life (once I've realized my true Self, who I *really* am). No man can come to God except through their true Self. Quite different, and much more accessible than the exclusionary speech in the re-re-re-re-revised Biblical text taught to us today.

I think it was Paul who said somewhere in the Bible that the spirit is that which giveth life, and the letter is that which kills. Even Paul knew of the dangers of misinterpretation from the Bible. To worship that book and the ideas within it (as they are interpreted for us by self-appointed experts foisting a militant doctrine upon the vulnerable, thirsting masses and screaming "VICTORY" over and over...) is a far more serious idolatry than worshiping some wooden or stone iconography. If the Spirit is already here with us, then there is no use for a book.

I haven't read

your entire argument here with whoever it is that you're arguing with. But the reality of God as a monarch is actually quite wonderful, because God is God. He is righteous and just, as we are not just. So In heaven and in ultimate affairs I'm quite content to have God in control, while on earth, with sinful man, I'm quite happy to be free of the control of man as often as I can be, because man is not just, man is fallen etc. God didn't have Abraham sacrifice his son, he tested his faith in God, but halted Abraham before the sacrifice. As for your beliefs on Christianity, you're entitled too them, but just because some people distort or twist the Gospel, doesn't mean it's not true and that some don't do their very best to worship in Spirit and Truth like Christ said. And as he said, "my kingdom is not of this world, else would my servants fight", we don't fight for Christ here on earth. We beg others to come to him that they might know peace.

Again...

There is your path. And there is my path. The "only" path does not exist.

The book of Suzy

And you "know" that how suzy? Did you get that as a direct revelation from God, or is this how you "feel" about the subject? You've made a very definite statement. So did Christ, "I am the way and the truth and the life, no one comes to the father but by me." John 14:6. Who is right, YOU or CHRIST?

Correct -there is a broad path and a narrow.

The broad path that you espouse leads to destruction and most people are on it. The narrow path leads to everlasting life and few find it. Matthew 7: 13-14 KJV

I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war. Ps 120:7
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Better to be divided by truth than united in error.
--
"I am the door." -Jesus Christ

Churchianity

the path of the individual is the narrowest of paths... that path also knows no ethos or creed, be they religious or secular. Most those who visit this site espouse individual freedom, yet some still attempt to interject morally schizophrenic, 200 year old zionist inspired and propogated apocalypse/rapture doctrine that serves only the very class who designed it and marketed it through their infiltration in the Yahwist religions: oil men and bankers...

false scarcity and the worship of a 'debt-god' (as opposed to that of a fertility god, for example) go hand in hand with the imagination that the devout are special and only they will achieve 'victory' or 'deliverance' upon the supposed prophesied end-of-the-world. these belief systems (and I would include communism and ufology as two secular examples of this technique), are tailor made for social engineering by means of division of the social space and a diversion from that which is TRULY divine: the self (i.e. soul, holy spirit, LOVE, etc.).

Get your head out of that book, and understand how perilously close to actualizing the social controllers' planned armageddon you and your ilk are (including but not limited to: ufologists convinced of impending disclosure, communists/socialists hellbent on realizing the utopian society, Muslims and the return of Muhammed, Jews and the coming of their Messiah, Christians and the coming of the anti-christ, which preceeds the return of Christ, which requires the existence of a geographical nation of Israel [Zion], etc., etc., etc.) ..........hmmmmmm.

it's all just way too ripe for a false revelation scenario for my comfort.

there are Christians who . . .

argue with people about religion, and there are Christians who do not.

I am the former.

I love the scripture story where the disciples come to Jesus and are upset because somebody (besides themselves, the chosen ones) are healing in His Name--

and He says, "He who is not against me is for me"--

Jesus tells us about the path (oh, yes, the same verse you use)--

but He doesn't tell us to decide who is on the path and who is not--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

But with respect,from your own book

"Many will come as false prophets" Mathew 24 verse 11. I respect every religion as long as it is very clear in message and has no conflictions. After reading Mathew, who is to trust who?

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

well, it's clear--

you simply don't trust humans; you only trust God.

But you don't have to condemn (or judge) humans, just their actions--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

You are absolutely correct

And very wise to see the point in this. To come full circle though concerning the actions of humans, I have to admit that I fully question any book written by the hand and actions of humans. Do I trust the 16 versions and translations that have been edited to fit political control of humans by humans over the years? In the end there is very little in it that can truly be trusted as unadulterated in some form or fashion by humans including the very concept of God? Just me, no offense, but I have come to question the truth in all of it because it was indeed written by man. The above verse I quoted could very well be one of the very few true common sense statements in the total contents and I have no trouble accepting it as written. To be fair though, the Bible is not the only book written by man that has these questions left unanswered. I was a Christian before I read this verse and thought long and hard about the total sum of what it is meant to explain as you just did. Thank you.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

The Fall: Tripping or Stumbling Along The Road

The origin of speciousness in righteous religious contention perhaps finds its Genesis in falling for false differences without distinction.

Is it coincidence or providence that fungi resembling the human brain grows at the root (pronounced route) in the shade ... and since turning from Eden we don't see the Tree for the forest?

Re-Evolutionary vs Re-Creational Debate

http://www.dailypaul.com/235125/weekend-meditation-conscious...

Ruach Adonai Alai

The Spirit of the Lord is Upon Me

Please don't apologize...

For believing what you believe as long as you are able to see the difference between the good and bad messages that may be contained within it. I tend to respect religions that have very few,if any conflicting messages within it and that does not promote the persecution of other religions under the name of righteousness.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Original Sin

Let he who is cast without it ...
(or supposes so)

.................................... first get stoned.

;-)

the human brain has operating

the human brain has operating within it neurotransmitters (regenerative 'drugs', if you will, that serve as chemical keys) such as Acetylcholine, Dopamine, Norepinephrine, Seratonin, Epinephrine, GABA, Prolactin, Oxytocin, Histamine, etc., etc. These natually occurring 'drugs' attach themselves to a kind of one-size-fits-all keyhole called receptors in the synaptic/neurological/electro-chemical structure of the human brain.

All external drugs, be they pharmacological or recreational (if you will...), innervate areas of the brain by means of transmission of these chemicals (the various neurotransmitters) to generate the sensations and perceptions of the 'high' experienced when the foreign chemical (pharma or street drug) is introduced...

Ironically (or not so, depending on your bias), there are specialized, exclusive receptors that occur naturally in the human brain whose function are for but one, and only one, single foreign chemical compound (currently classified as a Schedule I Controlled Substance) to which it attaches for a specialized purpose (obviously). Yet, this purpose is surreptitiously unavailable to mainstream academic science and largely unknown, if not also ubiquitously demonized.

That substance? Tetrahydrocannabinols, or THC. The chief (cheef :0) psychoactive chemical in Cannabis that innervates the only nuerological receptor in the human brain that operates for a specific chemical exclusively, and that chemical also happens not to be organically produced or regenerated from within the human body. It is, however, produced by God, or Mother Earth (depending on your bias;-), and meant to be sacramentally revered as a doorway of the third eye, an awakening of the pineal gland, the top chakra, the seat of the soul, the God-center of the human brain, the communion of the self and the Holy Spirit...

P.S. Hemp = textiles, paper, brick, food, rope, fuel, medicine, etc. There are your basic needs, and there is your obsolescence of the petro-dollar. THERE is also your communion with yourself, Nature, your fellow man, and God. No wonder it's got the nearly 200-year-old stigma it does, and no wonder it's illegal!

P.P.S. America has less than 5% of the world's population, but 25% of the world's prisoners. The largest prison population in the world, double the prisoners of second place China (yes, Red Communist One-Child-Per-Family China, at FOUR TIMES the population of the USA, has half the amount of total people imprisoned as does the USA)! Now consider, that 1 in 6 American prison inmates is in jail for a marijuana related offense... qui bono?

Thank you

The problem is so many disregard this verse as not to apply to them in application. Denial of actions and direction. It saddens my heart because it truly could be a productive religion no matter which one it happens to be at the time. So many are sent the wrong direction in the name of religion. It is the first sin to not understand your own religion to the point that you can not personally judge it yourself. Keywords, "Judge it", You are the principle element in this situation. LEARN YOUR RELIGION IF YOU EVER CLAIM TO DEFEND IT!!!

Iknow!,Drastic, but true because it may be that nonbelievers like myself might know more than you do about your own faith!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Lao Tzu quote, reminds me of Ron Paul

Whoever relies on the Tao in governing men
doesn't try to force issues
or defeat enemies by force of arms.
For every force there is a counterforce.
Violence, even well intentioned,
always rebounds upon oneself.

The Master does his job
and then stops.
He understands that the universe
is forever out of control,
and that trying to dominate events
goes against the current of the Tao.
Because he believes in himself,
he doesn't try to convince others.
Because he is content with himself,
he doesn't need others' approval.
Because he accepts himself,
the whole world accepts him.