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Tom Woods puts Rand Paul on the spot on dad's campaign & bizarre Texas endorsement

http://youtu.be/Gg7u_IYBr38

I like Tom Woods. Unlike Alex Jones, he put Rand Paul DIRECTLY on the spot: Whether he is the political pawn causing mess for father's campaign & questions being raised of "Romney endorsement" distraction. Rand gives a wishy-washy answer. I'm not very pleased with it personally.

Tom Woods put him on the spot about some very questionable Ted Cruz endorsement in Texas by both him & father. (Sorry, but I'm not in Texas and don't have too much background detail on this issue.) Rand Paul gives some "electability" answer. Tom Woods puts him on the spot again, indicating he isn't really happy with a garbage answer & where is the political spine?

All in all, sounds like this Rand Paul guy is just a political compromiser - nowhere in the same league as his father. I've known this very well for past few months since his Iran sanctions vote. I'm wondering as his father gets old, these political machinations of compromising son are impacting the father. Even if his father is 76 (or 77, whatever) years old, he should stand his ground firm. Otherwise, what's the use? If & when he gets elected President, this Rand Paul compromise issue could still keep hanging over his head. Especially, considering towards the end of his term he would be 80 years old or older. The Ted Cruz issue might just be the beginning. Rand Paul may end up compromising significant chunk of his father's presidency for his selfish political motivations.

I hope there was a way grassroots could contact Rand Paul & ask him to grow a spine or back off. Our country's (& whole world's) future is at stake.

P.S. I sat back & thought more about it after I wrote all of above. In hindsight, I've come to the conclusion that more than Jesse Benton - Rand Paul is bigger Achilles' heel for the campaign. It's still not too late & we're doing quite well with delegate numbers. I call for the Rand Paul compromise issue brought out in the open HEAD-ON & finished once & for all. Let Rand Paul know that he will NOT have any of our support if he makes even small attempts to taint his great father's legacy.




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jaseed's picture

Thanks for

and bump this post!
Obama vs Romney axis of evil
must hear audio to the end.
Rand is starting to sound like sen. ron johnson of WI:
Johnson endorsed Romney BEFORE our Wisconsin primary.
Senators: Why cannot you just keep your mouths shut and let the voters, the grassroots decide!...especially you, Rand who got my $$ during your campaign.

"My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them".
Senator Barry Goldwater, Senator Rand Paul
and others.

“The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.”

– Thomas Jefferson

RAND PAUL - A THANKLESS CHILD OR JUST BIZARRE?

Thanks for your comments and the interview, Mr. Tom Woods!

How on earth could this kid commit such a deed when brought up and diligently cared for by such exemplary parents? Drunk with power? Sibling rivalry? Baffling!

Ron Paul is the only truly decent individual who has been a candidate for President in a long time! I am appalled by this kid's actions, which appear to have no basis but greed, for kissing up to Mittens, unless the life of his father has been threatened by the CFR or the like, but this is quite unlikely!

Congressman Ron Paul should and must be our next President!

Dr. Paul has bravely weathered many thorns in his side, and we, his supporters cringe from having to watch him bear this one. We are many and we are right there with you, Dr.Ron and Carol Paul ~ all the way to Tampa, and on to the Presidency of the United States!

One cannot predict if one's child will convince himself "I accomplished it all, myself". Perhaps Rand was always deeply in love with himself(?)

Alas, these persons have no rivals. Of course, no one knows the truth about this wierd scene, including yours truly.
PRESIDENT RON PAUL 2012!!

"More painful than a serpent's sting to have a thankless child"

Mary 4 RP

Ron Paul is not doing enough

Ron Paul is not doing enough to water down the Iran sanctions bill. Thanks to Rand, at least one person is preventing war.

A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Thomas Jefferson. A vote for Rand Paul is a vote for James Madison.

RAND PAUL - A THANKLESS CHILD OR JUST BIZARRE?

Thanks for your comments and the interview, Mr. Tom Woods!

How on earth could this kid commit such a deed when brought up and diligently cared for by such exemplary parents? Drunk with power? Sibling rivalry? Baffling!

Ron Paul is the only truly decent individual who has been a candidate for President in a long time! I am appalled by this kid's actions, which appear to have no basis but greed, for kissing up to Mittens, unless the life of his father has been threatened by the CFR or the like, but this is quite unlikely!

Congressman Ron Paul should and must be our next President!

Dr. Paul has bravely weathered many thorns in his side, and we, his supporters cringe from having to watch him bear this one. We are many and we are right there with you, Dr.Ron and Carol Paul ~ all the way to Tampa, and on to the Presidency of the United States!

One cannot predict if one's child will convince himself "I accomplished it all, myself". Perhaps Rand was always deeply in love with himself(?)

Alas, these persons have no rivals. Of course, no one knows the truth about this wierd scene, including yours truly.
PRESIDENT RON PAUL 2012!!

"More painful than a serpent's sting to have a thankless child"

Mary 4 RP

you sound like you might be

you sound like you might be an agent of the NWO. Grow up, please.

A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Thomas Jefferson. A vote for Rand Paul is a vote for James Madison.

VERY disappointed with Rand

He sounds like a "go along to get along" "Party" operative.

More of a Jim DeMint kinda guy... He's certainly not his Dad.

When we give Rand some

When we give Rand some support in the Senate with more Senators devoted to the Constitution and individual liberties, he can shift toward hard-line liberty as many people here are.

So long as he is a lone voice in the wilderness, he can have absolutely zero political impact if he takes the same road his father did from the outset.

Ron Paul set out to make a record of Constitutional votes. For years he was the protest vote that provides information but no political impact. Because of his father's notoriety, Rand has an opportunity to turn the protest vote into a small constituency in the Senate that has a minor impact.

Give him some support and he can become the advocate of strict principle while others press for political impact. But while he is alone, he cannot. His alone-ness is our responsibility, not his.

We cannot push all of the responsibility for principled politics onto our elected office-holders, and complain when they cannot deliver to us what we should be delivering to them and to ourselves.

Great comment, I agree with

Great comment, I agree with you 100%. Thank you!

We just have to keep our movement going one county at a time. Rand's approach is different than Ron's. They are both friends of liberty 100%.

I agree, and I think you are

I agree, and I think you are quite right about Ron. He set out to make an example of what a consitutional record would actually look like, and it was his way of peaceful protest. Ron doesn't compromise, but I also don't think he intends for us to become cynical or dogmatic either.

Hold their feet up the fire later?

You mean give him some slack now and we can hold his feet up the fire later? It may not work out that way. I would rather prefer to develop new candidates that are incorruptible in any circumstances.

jaseed's picture

Yes

Agreed

"My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them".
Senator Barry Goldwater, Senator Rand Paul
and others.

“The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.”

– Thomas Jefferson

SteveMT's picture

Rand Paul answered all but the last two questions well, IMO.

Unfortunately, the last two questions were the most important. Tom Woods spared nothing in the last segment of the show hammering away that the lesser of two evils is still evil. No one should get softball questions, especially about compromising ones core principles.

Unfortunately, and I REALLY

Unfortunately, and I REALLY mean this, Rand kinda gives wishy washy answers a lot of times, which is why I love Ron, who NEVER gives wishy washy answers..

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Well...

that's really not true. I've been following Ron since 2007 and I distinctly remember a number of times when Ron supplied very squishy answers, then later answered directly with his real opinion which in turn upset many people on one matter or the other. A specific thing I can think of was his response to an "intelligent design" question.

No one is perfect (including myself, of course) and Ron's no exception. Please stop trying to make him into Superman. It's insulting. He's a person we support because he reflects "our" ideas, values and sometimes our fury.

Good point. Now lets hope

Good point. Now lets hope someone grills Ron Paul on why he endorsed Cruz. I'd like to hear his answer.

liberty lover in Nor Cal!

Good for Tom Woods keeping people honest...but

To sit here and write a comment about the true intentions of Rand Paul is absurd. Personally, I like Rand's style of compromise.
The tree of liberty has been incrementally cut a thousand times over. If we are going to get any kind of restoration in the country it will be by incrementally patching the wounds.

~1776

txbluebonnet's picture

I, also am a little

I, also am a little disappointed in Rand's refusal to see what this Ted Cruz endorsement really means...never endorse someone that has a speck of dirt on him, it may come back to haunt you!
Ted has had George Bush connections. Does that matter? It does to Texans. His wife is tied to Merrill Lynch, bankers, CFR...does that matter? Could this effect Ted Cruz if push came to shove? It could. Wives DO HAVE influence on their husbands regardless of what he may say...remember Potiphar's wife and Joseph in the Old Testament.
Tom Woods is right about right and wrong. This is why we are in this fight today. We WILL NOT settle for the "lesser of the two evils" or "this one is not as bad as the other guy". This is why we are where we are today...
Thanks, Tom. Great interview. We needed these answers and maybe Ron Paul needs to hear this and stand his own ground. Rand will make his own way, as he should.

He also after a few of us talked to

him.. decided to make actions on Iran only possible by constitutional vote Jeez.. starting early huh.. Establishment is so scared of what is happening with Ron Paul they are attacking Rand Full force a whole 5 years ahead of schedule. What better way then to sow the seeds early. Been here a whole 9 weeks huh cheif. Well I've been around a long time Know Rand and helped him get elected in KY. He's better then 99% of congress. He's young as we all are. He's not the opposition tho that's for damn sure.

Right

Benton and Rand are family and they're scared. Too late though, the show must go on, threats must be exposed. Sunlight on the vampires.

Master Player

I have watched Rand closely from the time he started his campaign for Senator. Rand is very intelligent, and has what I would describe as some very good street smarts when it comes to politics. Look who he looked up to all his life! He learned something there for sure.

But, yes Rand is his own person. So far as I can see, he is playing the political game masterfully, and yet maintaining his principles. A Trojan Horse if you will. He has to leave some room for maneuvering, which sometimes leads many to question him.

Look, he is a freshman Senator, and he has been in the mainstream news consistently. I never see my Senators here from Oregon on mainstream TV much at all, if ever.

Look, anyone who can run circles around Hannity has something going for him. Rand knows what he is doing, trust that.

He's doing a great job in the Senate

Did you see him on the floor up against Budget Committe Kent Conrad (ND, retiring)? Since the democrats in the senate havent' put out a budget in 3 years, Senator Paul said they shouldn't get paid for 3 years.They are not doing the job they came here to do. It is a fuction of their duty as defined in the constitution. Kent Conrad returns, absolutely fuming. He claims they passed a law, the budget control whatever that basically puts the escalation of spending on automatic overdrive. (of course it is null and void if it's unconstitutional) So Rand make huge fools of them. Whenever they're in a corner they go get Durbin. So mister tough guy Durnbin tries to defuse the situation. But, Rand has his own style, he communicates well. Lay off RonPaul's family. Basically, Rand is standing up very well against the most evil body in the history of the republic. We have got to get the senate replaced with 100 patriots. The people are starting to come around.

This is spot on!

I agree with the overall assessment by the OP here. Rand is more of a liability to the campaign than an asset. Too many neocons like him, and he's not about to throw away that cozy relationship with them to be an obscure but principled politician who challenges the status quo. Rand is dangerous to the liberty movement because he can talk like a libertarian and shares the Paul name, but he plays the game like the rest of the elites in Washington.

Political Games

I think Rand knows exactly what he's doing. I'm waiting to be pleasantly surprised with him.

I completely agree

I think Rand has a lot of what I like about Ron Paul like the distaste for the TSA, Patriot Act, NDAA, aggressive foreign policy, etc. I think Rand knows how to play the political game enough so that people don't label him as a radical. I still have my bets on Ron to win the presidency, but I don't think Rand is as bad as some people on this site make him out to be. They are right, he isn't Ron Paul, but I would still actually call him a conservative and a much better option than Flip Romney, Santorum, or Chickenhawk Gingrich.

Rand Paul

is doing the best that he believes he can do. He is making the moves that he believes will provide the biggest bang for buck when it comes to moving back toward constitutional government. He has the education, he has the support of his family, he has most of our support, he understands liberty. Rather than criticizing Rand, let's add some more candidates that further the cause. As Ron Paul often speaks of friends of liberty, we know Rand is a friend, let's get him some other friends who can push this movement as far and as fast as possible.

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

I believe...

...that many have a fundamentally wrong perception about Rand's motives, including Tom Woods. I have met the man (I have also met Tom Woods), and have been a staunch supporter for years. Rand's read Hayek, Mises, Locke, and all the other writings of the great libertarian philosophers and is an adherent to their principles. Rand's put our voice into the Senate and has been able to begin working on some of the neocons to change their positions. He's no sell-out.

It's true that Ron always voted his principles and spent many years laying the educational groundwork for this movement. However, the result was that his congressional colleagues simply ignored him when it came to drafting legislation, and that went on non-stop until 2008. Ron was a lone voice in the wilderness for decades.

It's no secret that Rand is taking a more pragmatic approach to his office...forging coalitions and inserting a libertarian voice into legislation that would have ordinarily been passed without it. Otherwise they'll just ignore him like they have done to Ron. Remember, it's just him against 99 other senators who have little interest in preserving your freedom...

It's important to be both principled and effective. That's how you get the job done and I feel that Rand is trying to do just that.

Anyways, that's my two cents.

Cuimhnigh orm, a Dhia, le haghaidh maith.

at least Rand

cant plead ignorant He seems to have a get along and play along all be it to a much lesser extent than any other senator. We need people who will not support the Federal reserve creation of false national debts. When they vote to increase the false national debt I am against them who ever Im just sayin.

sovereign

Rand Paul is OK.

Lots of us were worried that he was quite different from his principled father but actually Rand Paul has turned out to be ok.

A story of compromise

which I would use to caution ANY politician in the course of his career, regarding the slippery slope of compromise.

At a party, and rich gentleman was entertaining an attractive young woman with a few drinks.
After a time of socializing, the man asked "Would you go to bed with a strange man for a million dollars?"

The young woman replied, "Of course!"

The man then asked, "Would you go to bed with me for a dollar?"

And the woman indignantly answered, "What kind of a girl do you think I am?!", and stomped her foot for extra emphasis.

"We have already established what you are", said the man.
"Now we are just negotiating the price".

Rofl...

I don't think any other story could have given a better example of "compromise". Thanks for posting, I'll be saving this.