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Tom Woods puts Rand Paul on the spot on dad's campaign & bizarre Texas endorsement

http://youtu.be/Gg7u_IYBr38

I like Tom Woods. Unlike Alex Jones, he put Rand Paul DIRECTLY on the spot: Whether he is the political pawn causing mess for father's campaign & questions being raised of "Romney endorsement" distraction. Rand gives a wishy-washy answer. I'm not very pleased with it personally.

Tom Woods put him on the spot about some very questionable Ted Cruz endorsement in Texas by both him & father. (Sorry, but I'm not in Texas and don't have too much background detail on this issue.) Rand Paul gives some "electability" answer. Tom Woods puts him on the spot again, indicating he isn't really happy with a garbage answer & where is the political spine?

All in all, sounds like this Rand Paul guy is just a political compromiser - nowhere in the same league as his father. I've known this very well for past few months since his Iran sanctions vote. I'm wondering as his father gets old, these political machinations of compromising son are impacting the father. Even if his father is 76 (or 77, whatever) years old, he should stand his ground firm. Otherwise, what's the use? If & when he gets elected President, this Rand Paul compromise issue could still keep hanging over his head. Especially, considering towards the end of his term he would be 80 years old or older. The Ted Cruz issue might just be the beginning. Rand Paul may end up compromising significant chunk of his father's presidency for his selfish political motivations.

I hope there was a way grassroots could contact Rand Paul & ask him to grow a spine or back off. Our country's (& whole world's) future is at stake.

P.S. I sat back & thought more about it after I wrote all of above. In hindsight, I've come to the conclusion that more than Jesse Benton - Rand Paul is bigger Achilles' heel for the campaign. It's still not too late & we're doing quite well with delegate numbers. I call for the Rand Paul compromise issue brought out in the open HEAD-ON & finished once & for all. Let Rand Paul know that he will NOT have any of our support if he makes even small attempts to taint his great father's legacy.



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So Sick of the Rand Haters

He never claimed to be his father. He's pretty clear about the fact that their politics do diverge on some issues. That being said, he is (by far) the best we've got in Washington. So unless you're going to run for office (and win) and make substantive changes, how about you knock this crap off? Who is a better option? Cruz? Please. Ron isn't going to run again. Amash isn't experienced enough. Ventura is great, but too kooky.

Michael Nystrom's picture

He never claimed to be his father.

True. So why do you expect that his fathers supporters should naturally and seamlessly support him?

You're confused. You want it both ways. Take your faulty assumptions and either reform it or leave. In your other comment, this is what you said:

Here we go again with the psy-ops infiltrators who come here to make it look like even within this camp, there is doubt about Rand. He isn't his father. So? He plays the game better and he's (by far) the best we've got in Washington. So shut up or go away. Or both.

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of people like you. You're a bully, trying to boss other people around to your way of thinking. Well, I don't need that kind of behavior here:

1. Calling others here CIA Infiltrators.
2. So defensive of your own opinion that you can't tolerate others
3. Telling people to shut up and go away.

Hey guess what? YOU shut up or go away.

A Tom Woods Highlight For Sure

Haven't heard this one in a while. I love the way TW said that if Ron endorses Romney that Ron would be viewed as a sell-out and it would tarnish his whole career. It's important to keep people's feet to the fire even if it's someone as noble as Ron Paul. Of course, Ron (thankfully!) didn't endorse Romney but it was still a question at the time of the show.

I also like how TW said that he and Peter don't fully agree on everything (Peter is a huge fan of Rand). Great courage shown by TW on both these fronts IMO. Tremendous respect for TW for this.

I'm luke warm

at best on Rand, but I have noticed something sneaky at Drudge. I know Rand won some straw polls, but that news came and went faster than a 6-legged robot while the recent Cruz win has been up every freakin' day. Al right already. We get it. He won one.

Seriously

I love the language that is used in the CNN article "The firebrand freshman senator and tea party favorite". Can't help but smile when the MSM media goes out of their way to add legitimacy to these ringers.

They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds. -mexican proverb

Debbie's picture

I disagree that Ron Paul ever had to have his "feet held to the

fire". I was never worried for one second that he would endorse Romney - I think people that thought that don't know him very well.

Rand is not a clone of Ron, but I stand with Rand.

Debbie

SteveMT's picture

Tom Woods' comments trump Rand's by far.

Starting at the 12:00 minute mark is the point where this 2012 interview becomes very important. What Tom Woods says after the conclusion of this interview is by far more important and anything said by Rand. Ron Paul never did endorse Romney, despite the pressure to do so. If Rand holds to his consistency about supporting the GOP nominee again and he is not, would he support a Jeb Bush, or a Ben Carson or a Rick Perry, or a Mitt Romney2.0 again?
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“Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.”
― Edmund Burke

Thanks to Ron's lack of

Thanks to Ron's lack of endorsement of McCain, Ron lost the Iowa straw poll and Iowa caucus and we got stuck with Romney and Obama. What principle is that?

Thomas Jefferson 1800, 1804; James Madison 1808, 1812; Rand Paul 2016, 2020.

SteveMT's picture

It's called the principle of consistency.

Consistency is what attracted both of us to Ron Paul way back when. The principle of consistency doesn't always win elections, but neither does inconsistency. Just ask Romney and McCain. Consistency is like dependability. You can correctly predict what a person will do even before they encounter your hypothetical situation. It's the kind of stuff that makes political movements a reality. People get energized as a result, and they realize what is possible when one starts from nothing in this abyss called politics.

It sounds like a good way to

It sounds like a good way to get Bush or Clinton elected. That's not the type of consistency we need if you are pro-liberty. We need a consistently pro-liberty strategy and that is what Rand does.

The endorsement of Chuck Baldwin was an utter disaster. Thank's to the Baldwin endorsement, Ron lost Iowa and then the election.

When you run the inside strategy, you fight for pro-liberty candidates in the primaries, and then stick with the winner in the general. No one likes sore losers.

Thomas Jefferson 1800, 1804; James Madison 1808, 1812; Rand Paul 2016, 2020.

this post

is from 2012

Debbie's picture

Looks like you are trying to make a contentious issue out of a

2-year old interview that did not have that tone at all.

Debbie

Bump for those that

Threw 2,500.00 down the tank.

SteveMT's picture

Thanks for bumping the 2,500 clubbers.

I didn't consider mine being thrown down the drain. If the same circumstances presented themselves again, I would do it again without hesitation. Why? It was such a unique time to be part of a pure movement led by Ron Paul, I would again in a heartbeat. This situation will never present itself again, imo. No one is close to the record of Ron Paul to backup everything they say with that kind of consistency. That was money well spent. You stepped up and did the right thing at that time like I did. It will never happen again.

A two year old post.

Are you concerned that someone here doesn't know about Rand, Romney and Cruz?

Tom Woods...

putting Rand on the spot is timeless.

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

jaseed's picture

Thanks for

and bump this post!
Obama vs Romney axis of evil
must hear audio to the end.
Rand is starting to sound like sen. ron johnson of WI:
Johnson endorsed Romney BEFORE our Wisconsin primary.
Senators: Why cannot you just keep your mouths shut and let the voters, the grassroots decide!...especially you, Rand who got my $$ during your campaign.

“The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.”

– Thomas Jefferson

RAND PAUL - A THANKLESS CHILD OR JUST BIZARRE?

Thanks for your comments and the interview, Mr. Tom Woods!

How on earth could this kid commit such a deed when brought up and diligently cared for by such exemplary parents? Drunk with power? Sibling rivalry? Baffling!

Ron Paul is the only truly decent individual who has been a candidate for President in a long time! I am appalled by this kid's actions, which appear to have no basis but greed, for kissing up to Mittens, unless the life of his father has been threatened by the CFR or the like, but this is quite unlikely!

Congressman Ron Paul should and must be our next President!

Dr. Paul has bravely weathered many thorns in his side, and we, his supporters cringe from having to watch him bear this one. We are many and we are right there with you, Dr.Ron and Carol Paul ~ all the way to Tampa, and on to the Presidency of the United States!

One cannot predict if one's child will convince himself "I accomplished it all, myself". Perhaps Rand was always deeply in love with himself(?)

Alas, these persons have no rivals. Of course, no one knows the truth about this wierd scene, including yours truly.
PRESIDENT RON PAUL 2012!!

"More painful than a serpent's sting to have a thankless child"

Mary 4 RP

Ron Paul is not doing enough

Ron Paul is not doing enough to water down the Iran sanctions bill. Thanks to Rand, at least one person is preventing war.

Thomas Jefferson 1800, 1804; James Madison 1808, 1812; Rand Paul 2016, 2020.

RAND PAUL - A THANKLESS CHILD OR JUST BIZARRE?

Thanks for your comments and the interview, Mr. Tom Woods!

How on earth could this kid commit such a deed when brought up and diligently cared for by such exemplary parents? Drunk with power? Sibling rivalry? Baffling!

Ron Paul is the only truly decent individual who has been a candidate for President in a long time! I am appalled by this kid's actions, which appear to have no basis but greed, for kissing up to Mittens, unless the life of his father has been threatened by the CFR or the like, but this is quite unlikely!

Congressman Ron Paul should and must be our next President!

Dr. Paul has bravely weathered many thorns in his side, and we, his supporters cringe from having to watch him bear this one. We are many and we are right there with you, Dr.Ron and Carol Paul ~ all the way to Tampa, and on to the Presidency of the United States!

One cannot predict if one's child will convince himself "I accomplished it all, myself". Perhaps Rand was always deeply in love with himself(?)

Alas, these persons have no rivals. Of course, no one knows the truth about this wierd scene, including yours truly.
PRESIDENT RON PAUL 2012!!

"More painful than a serpent's sting to have a thankless child"

Mary 4 RP

you sound like you might be

you sound like you might be an agent of the NWO. Grow up, please.

Thomas Jefferson 1800, 1804; James Madison 1808, 1812; Rand Paul 2016, 2020.

VERY disappointed with Rand

He sounds like a "go along to get along" "Party" operative.

More of a Jim DeMint kinda guy... He's certainly not his Dad.

When we give Rand some

When we give Rand some support in the Senate with more Senators devoted to the Constitution and individual liberties, he can shift toward hard-line liberty as many people here are.

So long as he is a lone voice in the wilderness, he can have absolutely zero political impact if he takes the same road his father did from the outset.

Ron Paul set out to make a record of Constitutional votes. For years he was the protest vote that provides information but no political impact. Because of his father's notoriety, Rand has an opportunity to turn the protest vote into a small constituency in the Senate that has a minor impact.

Give him some support and he can become the advocate of strict principle while others press for political impact. But while he is alone, he cannot. His alone-ness is our responsibility, not his.

We cannot push all of the responsibility for principled politics onto our elected office-holders, and complain when they cannot deliver to us what we should be delivering to them and to ourselves.

I've said it before and I'll said it again

If you are familiar with the Harry Potter books, I think Rand is pulling a "Professor Snape". I think he is toeing the line to remain relevant to the evil power grabbers. Once he has a sure footing, he will let his Libertarian colors shine.

Great comment, I agree with

Great comment, I agree with you 100%. Thank you!

We just have to keep our movement going one county at a time. Rand's approach is different than Ron's. They are both friends of liberty 100%.

I agree, and I think you are

I agree, and I think you are quite right about Ron. He set out to make an example of what a consitutional record would actually look like, and it was his way of peaceful protest. Ron doesn't compromise, but I also don't think he intends for us to become cynical or dogmatic either.

Hold their feet up the fire later?

You mean give him some slack now and we can hold his feet up the fire later? It may not work out that way. I would rather prefer to develop new candidates that are incorruptible in any circumstances.

jaseed's picture

Yes

Agreed

“The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.”

– Thomas Jefferson

SteveMT's picture

Rand Paul answered all but the last two questions well, IMO.

Unfortunately, the last two questions were the most important. Tom Woods spared nothing in the last segment of the show hammering away that the lesser of two evils is still evil. No one should get softball questions, especially about compromising ones core principles.

Unfortunately, and I REALLY

Unfortunately, and I REALLY mean this, Rand kinda gives wishy washy answers a lot of times, which is why I love Ron, who NEVER gives wishy washy answers..

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...