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Paul national delegate candidates were segregated

All of the pro-Paul national delegate candidates were told to sit in a special seating area in the front on the front rows on the right hand side (looking at the stage) that was reserved for national delegate candidates. They were told this in both an email prior to the convention and when they arrived at the convention. The other seats were reserved by county.

None of the other national delegate candidates sat in this area. I believe the pro-Paul candidates for national delegate were intentionally segregated.

Romney operatives were constantly standing directly in front of the pro-Paul delegates.

VT Romney campaign was led by a Red Democrat

The Romney campaign scared people into voting for a "Conservative Unity Slate" with phone calls, robo-calls, letters, postcards, and emails. They claimed that the Ron Paul would nullify and void the results of the primary if people didn't show up and vote for the "Conservative Unity Slate" that they said represented all segments of the Republican Party.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:26 PM
Subject: Time sensitive action for Thursday evening

All:

I have just been asked to assist the Mitt Romney campaign and to request the Caledonia County Republicans help with an important and urgent need. The Ron Paul team is working hard to impact State Conventions with Maine and Nevada being two recent examples. Vermont’s convention is this Saturday in Montpelier. Approximately half of the slate of delegates to the RNC are Ron Paul people. If they come and out vote Romney supporters then the primary election where Mitt Romney won Vermont will be null and void. It will be an embarrassment to Vermont and more challenging for fund raising events. We have been asked to help call the State Delegates to assure that they come to the convention on Saturday and to solicit their support. Both Deb Bucknam and I are happy to host volunteers to use our phones and our offices.

Please let me know if you could possibly provide a couple of hours tomorrow evening beginning at 6pm. I am told that pizza will be provided as well as a script and call lists. My office number is 802-748-2322 should you have any questions.

Rick Cochran

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I wondered where was Rick Cochran when Obama was visiting Vermont. Why did he not use his organizing skills to get people out to protest Obama? If one was in Burlington when Obama visited one would have thought that the main opposition to Obama was from the Occupy movement because they were the ones protesting Obama. I found the answer to my question: he was personally meeting with Obama to sell use wares to the US military!

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"Rick Cochran, of Danville was in fact, asked personally by the White House to not only attended the President’s visit, he was asked to speak with Barack Obama. Mr. Cochran is the President and founder of Mobile Medical International of Saint Johnsbury and was named as National Business Person of the Year by the Small Business Administration for 2011. He said he spoke to Obama regarding his mobile hospital units as a cost saver and that the President asked for a follow up at a later time. While declining to name his political affiliation, it should be noted that Mr. Cochran was a contributor to Senator Patrick Leahy’s Green Mountain Political Action Committee in 2011."

http://truenorthreports.com/president-obama-rounds-up-the-herd

The Rules were changed the morning of the Convention

The Chair and acting executive director of the Vermont Republican Party, Jack Lindley, changed the rules of the convention on the morning of the convention with the Lindley rules superseding Roberts Rules of Order. Jack Lindley did not have the authority to do this.

There are many people in the Republican Party who are very upset with what Jack Lindley did. I predict that Jack Lindley will be forced to resign.

Some Romney supporters were crying after the convention because they were so disgusted with Jack Lindley and the Romney Campaign.

Chairman Lindley's Rules of Order Continued

Points of Information, Clarification, Privilege, and Order (or any other "Points" discussed in Robert's Rules of Order) may not be made from the floor. Such points may be raised privately with the parliamentarian, who may in his discretion bring it to the attention of the Chairman of the Convention.

Except for the election of national delegates and national committeeman and committeewoman, or a provided in the immediately succeeding paragraph, all votes will be taken by voice vote or standing vote. It shall be in the discretion of the Chairman of the Convention whether he needs to count the number of persons standing during such standing vote to discern the winning position. On matters requiring a majority vote, this determination may not be appealed. On matters requiring a 2/3 vote, this determination is subject to appeal.

Any motion or request for a roll call vote (including a call for division) requires 2/3 support for passage. Except as provided above, calls for division will be out of order.

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Two observers from each campaign will be allowed in the counting room to observe the tally of votes cast at the elections.

VII. Appointment of a Permanent Chair

The Chairman of the State Party shall appoint a permanent Chair of the Convention.

Lindley's Rules of Order

I. Authority and Precdence

Rule 11(b) of the Rules of the Vermont State Republican Committee authorizes the promulgation of the following procedures to ensure the timely and orderly conduct of the Vermont State Presidential Delegate Nominating Convention. These procedures are effective immediately, not subject to amendment, and not subject to any vote or other action by the Convention.

The following procedures supersede Robert's rules of Order, where the two conflict.

II. Agenda and Orders of the Day

The Agenda as distributed to delegates on May 19, 2012 is hereby incorporated into these procedures and shall govern the Convention. The Agenda may not be amended except by a 2/3 vote. A motion to amend the agenda is not debatable and not amendable, and shall be immediately put to a vote on passage or rejection.

Any motion to extend the time for adjournment beyond 2:00 pm on May 19, 2012 shall be ruled out of order.

With the exception of elections, if the time allotted in the Agenda runs out for a particular piece of business, the business shall be immediately subject to a vote on passage or rejection.

A call or motion or request for Orders of the Days is out of order if it would terminate the election of National Presidential Delegates or the election of the National Committeeman.Committeewoman.

III. Call to Order and Adjournment

The Convention will be deemed to be called to order immediately prior to the report of the Credentials Committee.

The Convention will be deemed adjourned sine die upon the earliest one of the following three occurrences: (1) the return and announcement of the results of the elections occuring at the Convention; (2) the time denoted in the Agenda for the end of the Convention (unless extended); or (3) a majority vote of state convention delegates.

IV Credentials

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Guests may attend the Convention at the discretion of the Chairman of the Party and the Chairman of the Convention. The Chairman of the Party and the Chairman of the Convention, if they agree, may designate an area on or off the Convention floor for guests to remain.

Notwithstanding the foregoing paragraph, each campaign is entitled to have four representatives/observers on the Convention floor. These representatives/observers are entitled to have access to all locations on the floor of the convention. Any motion to remove or restrict these four representatives is out of order.

V. Debate, Amendments, and Voting

Debate (if allowed under Robert's Rules of Order) on any motion/amendment shall be limited to two speakers for the motion/amendment and two speakers against the motion/amendment. All speakers shall be limited to 30 second speeches.

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Thanks Vermont and Georgoa

All of you have done a bang up job. Just sitting there listening to all that propoganda must have been hard to do. Thanks for your persistance and giving up a weekend for Ron Paul.

Help! Someone who was in Vermont:

Trying to confirm - is it true that they called a lunch break and the Ron Paul people went to lunch and while they were gone the Romney people passed the Romney slate of delegates? Thank you.

I don't know where that rumor came from

They had a printed schedule that included a lunch break, but never broke for lunch. We voted for the national delegates in the morning, before lunch time, and the results were supposed to be announced after lunch. Instead, when lunch time came around, they went right into reading the delegate and alternate lists. After that, a few more speakers came up, and then they adjourned.

Thank you so much

for straightening that out. I'm writing to some people and didn't want to say something not true and have them distrust everything I said. Appreciate it!

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How many delegates/alternate

How many delegates/alternate delegates did we end up with in VT?
thanks!

While we obtained only 2 out of 14 delegates...

http://www.dailypaul.com/234826/vermont-convention-live#comm...

... we won 10 of 14 alternates:

http://www.dailypaul.com/234826/vermont-convention-live#comm...

Thank you for your dedication, Vermont Liberty patriots!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

We had an uphill battle....

Tough competition for the RP crowd. We were running against some big name Republicans. Although we were very organized, we just didn't have the numbers. Less than a quarter I suspect. I'm guessing we had a lot of support from Dems and Indys in the Beauty Primary that just weren't informed or didn't feel comfortable continuing on with the caucus process.

A couple of other observations. The state executive committee and state chair were were in no mood to host barn-burner of a convention. They wanted to keep it an establishment pep rally. They changed the rules at 5 am just a few hours before the doors opened to do away with the pesky Robert's Rules. And then there was the Romney slate. The executive committee and the Romney operatives were definitely coordinating. I even overheard some establishment Republicans talking about it. The smug Romney operatives even had "Volunteer" convention badges that were given to them by the Executive committee.

The VTGOP was asking for a lot of money from the presidential campaigns (in my opinion). Bottom line, the Executive committee was whoring out ,and Romney paid to play.

Thx, that's a very good

Thx, that's a very good explanation.

I think Ron Paul got very good numbers in beauty contest due to Democrats & independents voting. But those people aren't qualified to participate in delegate selection process.

Hmm, I wonder if we're going to have identical problem in New Hampshire which had "Open" beauty contest as well?!

P.S. I re-read your post & had missed following first time around.

"They changed the rules at 5 am just a few hours before the doors opened to do away with the pesky Robert's Rules."

ARE YOU SERIOUS?????

I mean, are you freaking serious??? Where is the publicity for this? Stalin & Chairman Mao would be very proud! Geez, they're working so hard to keep the legacies alive.

And we managed to pick up 2 delegates despite this?

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Two delegates are better than none, but disappointing

The Romney people made phone calls and sent out emails. The evening before the convention, the Romney campaign invited all of the town delegates to a free spaghetti dinner with his son Tagg as a guest speaker. Then, at the convention, they passed around the "Conservative Unity Slate", listing 14 Romney supporters that people were requested to vote for, and the national delegate candidates were not allowed any speaking time during the convention. I know RP didn't campaign in VT, but the grassroots people worked hard, so this was still a disappointment. We did get a few alternates, though. I wonder what the chances are that any of the Romney delegates will decide not to go to Florida.

Big wins for alternates

Although we did come up short in the delegate count we made some real waves by taking 10 of 14 alternate slots. So when Vermont travels together we're going to have 12 Paul supporters and 16 "others." If our goal is to continue to influence current GOP to embrace Liberty, both at the RNC and back in our home state - I like those numbers.

Thx for above info, but I

Thx for above info, but I still don't understand:

In Vermont beauty contest, Ron Paul got significant chunk of votes. Somewhere between 25% to 30% if I remember correctly.

Vermont is in same region as Maine & New Hampshire where Ron Paul has practically ruled - both in beauty contests & delegates.

Even in Massachusetts, Ron Paul delegates managed to rule. They denied Romney's Lt. Governor a delegate spot.

Considering above points, I cannot understand why Ron Paul Vermont supporters couldn't be organized as delegates. Who were all those large number of people voting for him in beauty contest, but wouldn't organize as delegates?!? Something doesn't compute about this, it's almost like reverse-Romney campaign-apathy syndrome applied back to our campaign?! We are supposed to be far better aware & hungry about delegates.

Considering how deck got stacked against us in delegate heavy Georgia & also intense struggles of Arizona/Oklahoma, I don't feel we can afford letdowns like Vermont. I was almost taking Vermont as an easy grab for delegates, due to beauty contest numbers & Maine success.

About explanation of "Ron Paul campaign didn't do much" : Delegate organization is a grassroots effort, not campaign. Big credit for our successes in Maine, Minnesota, Nevada are down to grassroots. Campaign did very little towards that.

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"About explanation of "Ron

"About explanation of "Ron Paul campaign didn't do much" : Delegate organization is a grassroots effort, not campaign. Big credit for our successes in Maine, Minnesota, Nevada are down to grassroots. Campaign did very little towards that."

Maine most certainly was 100% official campaign. Eric Brakey, from the official campaign, was in Maine, continuously, since 2011. Months before the caucuses, and through the convention. I was in Maine. It was organized, Ron Paul supporters, voters, delegates were trained, and we won 21/21 delegates.

Minnesota has The Collins. He ran the war room. He's official campaign. I wasn't there, I don't know the organizational structure there, but it certainly appears that Minnesota was run by the campaign.

Nevada's convention was the same day as Maine's. Ron Paul himself was in Nevada that day. I'd assume, given that, that Nevada was a 100% official campaign effort.

It's just wrong to say that "grassroots" had more to do with our big delegate victories in those 3 states than the official campaign.

Maine was 100% official campaign. I was there, and we got 100% of the delegates.

Thanks much for that info.

Thanks much for that info. Somehow got the impression on these forums that all grassroots driven success in Maine. Guess I was wrong.

Not sure why the campaign didn't give attention to Vermont since 2011? Why would they focus on New Hampshire & Maine, but drop Vermont to fend for itself? I read stuff such as this in post below, which clearly with campaign involvement since 2011 should have taken care of:

"I'm guessing we had a lot of support from Dems and Indys in the Beauty Primary that just weren't informed or didn't feel comfortable continuing on with the caucus process."

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not enough communication

Not enough communication about the importance of the town caucuses for actually getting our people in the spots we "earned" in the primary. Town caucuses came up relatively quickly after the primary, and most of the Ron Paul folks are relatively new to politics. Before then, most states that required RP folks to organize for caucuses started off with caucuses, and not with primaries like ours.

Our grassroots campaign did great stuff for the primary. We quadrupled Ron Paul's results from 2008, and got almost double what he'd been polling the week before. But I think we got blindsided about the next step, even though some of it is encoded in the Vermont Statutes.

Linux Mint ? Hmmmn

I may go to that or Ubuntu. I got the virus Microsoft Antivirus and did a 3 finger salute, and lost it. Glad I am not the only one who got the warning from trying to log into chat.

Ron Paul 2012 ya'll!!

Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.
C. S. Lewis

Linux works and its awesome

Linux works and its awesome even if it weren't a free product. It doesn't run into any problems, except I've found that once in a while it will just go off a cliff and won't boot itself. So you should know a good amount about how to fix it or pay for the companies support services if you use it for work or anything

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Get a Mac =p

Get a Mac =p

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Since they have become more popular

Macs now are targeted by malware writers too. Recently, for example, 600,000 Mac users were infected with a remote control trojan.

I concur with the vote for Linux.

For those infected, if you can't get rid of the infection, try switching your anti-virus to Avast (free for home users) and run a boot time scan. If that doesn't work, you may have to pull the drive and clean it from another system, or pick up an anti-virus boot disk. Some of these infections will survive even if you format the drive and reload the operating system. In those cases, the infection must be bit-wiped off the drive.

If you're in the western PA eastern Ohio area, I can help if needed.

LOL!

YEP!

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin

Any updates from Vermont?

Any updates from Vermont?

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Not awesome. 2 delegates for

Not awesome.

2 delegates for Paul
12 delegates for Romney

But to be fair, RP did absolutely NO campaigning or townhalls in VT.

Arent 4 bound to Paul tho?

Arent 4 bound to Paul tho?

Yes, so this is a situation...

... where two pro-Romney delegates will be bound to vote for Dr. Paul!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Thanks IshJones!

We'll certainly take it!

With 5 more delegates on the RP side we would have tied Obamney.

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Still...

2 for Ron Paul is better than any for Newt Gingrich.