Polling vs. Actual Results. A set-up to cover-up vote fraud?
Submitted by coasty163 on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 09:45
As you can all recall in 2004, exit polling showed John Kerry as the projected winner of the Presidential election. It was later confirmed that there were major gaffes in the handling of votes in some very 'swing' counties as well as likely electronic voting machine fraud. Does anyone think it is possible that the media, by incorrectly calling for Clinton's head just two days ago and then 'acting' embarrassed after her victory in New Hampshire, has set us up to believe that unrealistic numbers compared to polls is a normal thing?
Are we being conditioned to think that, no matter what the polling numbers or the media say, the results are not to be questioned?
I, for one, think that we are being worked over psychologically.
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Is this a possibilty?
This may not be feasible but is it possible to created and cirrculate some sort of "petition" in Nh, all those who voted for Dr. Paul could sign it and if the signatures surpass the acual vote tally...then we have something substantial to move on.
Enonesoch
Ed Schultz will have on anyone who's vote wasn't counted
Ed Schultz just said on his talk show that he wants to have on your mom, dad or aunt or anyone who's Ron Paul vote wasn't counted.
Ed Schultz has two talk shows, one local upper midwest show in the morning and one nationally 11:00 - 2:00 central
http://www.wegoted.com/ He has 3 million listeners and has been very friendly to Ron Paul. Contact him and he will do it.
Illumati
I know your language. Your signals from your pockets. Your evil eye signals and your pyramids. I am not afraid of you, you should be very afraid of me. I am a member of a tribe that uses hand signals too. Fist in the air.
"I have found an honest man."
Diogenes of Sinope
"I have found an honest man."
Diogenes of Sinope
flagged. regardless of your
flagged.
regardless of your personal beliefs, such theories don't play a part in this. as since the best you can do is speculate and only offer more theories. if you believe it was rigged, then go to NH and prove it.
This is a small matter
Shit John Boyer, we have been screwed in New Hampshire and u are flagging a legitimate thing. Do your research, occult symbols and handshakes, signs whatever are real. You jackass. We all want to go to NH and do something. I totally hate the system right now, we cannot defeat it thru elections.
This revolution is worldwide. If America fails, God help us all
Do we need to shed the love in the revolution? We have been screwed big time in New Hampshire.
The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
...is that good men do nothing.
If what I just saw on YouTube about the New Hampshire electronic voting machines is true, then it ought to be possible to take the State of New Hampshire into federal court on the grounds that it denied to its people (or at least some of them) the equal protection of the laws as required under the 14th Amendment.
Moreover, if we could find Ron Paul voters in precincts where ZERO votes were recorded, and get them so sign sworn affidavits that they HAD voted for RP, I don't think it would be difficult to go after someone for fraud.
I don't live in NH, so I don't have standing to prosecute something like this. But surely we have enough people there who are incensed enough to want to do something about it.
Paleoconservative
Is there a group willing to try this?
Vote only where hand counts are being -- if possible.
Know where all the hand counts are being held for every state ahead of time. This way, we can know for sure if there was any vote fraud. And maybe it can reduce the amount of voter fraud arguments.
Why did Obama give his
Why did Obama give his concession speech with only -70% of the vote counted?
Whould you conceed defeat so quickly without all the facts?
http://www.2008SuperBoycott.com
We Just want Fair Coverage
http://www.2008SuperBoycott.com
We Just want Fair Coverage
there's lots of oddities..
Another thing that just bothers me. The place where all these votes are "called in", how do we know they are reporting accurate numbers? Where do all these news outlets get the results from? One place? It takes 1 person to change the results. Each Polling Place sends to some "official" place making it hard to verify results. How do we know the people who report the results are doing it truthfully?
Isn't there a better way to handle this?
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A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges. - Ben Franklin
9-11 truthers
Shut up. There was no vote fraud.
To imply someone wanted Ron Paul in fifth place vs. fourth place is stupidity in itself. In fact I can't think of dumber conspiracy except the 9-11 one.
The campaign failed us. They barely spent anything in New Hampshire in TV advertising. Ron Paul polled at 7% in November and only 8% by yesterday when the vote was taken.
1% poll gain in 60 days in a libertarian state is pathetic.
Let's face it. The campaign is more than happy to be a single digits in the polls. Fire the leaders of the campaign NOW. Replace them with veteran republicans.
Fraud vs Ineptitude
> There was no vote fraud. ... The campaign failed us.
The two factors are not mutually exclusive. Regarding fraud, we supporters and the campaign need to work out strategy of catching it and protecting against it. For example, traps can be set up with independent proof of count in selected smaller districts which use automated/secret counting, then compare the reported counts with those we know in advance.
> Fire the leaders of the campaign NOW. Replace
> them with veteran republicans.
This is not your regular campaign trying to make some hollow politicians win an election. This is a grass roots movement with many thousands of very creative and capable folks whospawned the little miracles we have seen so far. Conventional ways will not work well here.
What is needed is a much better feedback between the campaign staff and multitudes of small, diverse groups of supporters sprouting all over the country as well as clustering of these groups into a more coherent network. The campaign itself needs a better (quicker response cycle, more alive, more interactive) web site. It needs dedicated, trusted and intelligent staffers who communicate, reply and discuss with supporters (e.g. these are verified members of the discussion group) continuously, 24/7.
This rapidly growing network is an intelligent "organism" by itself (it is an 'adaptable network' or 'complex system', like brain, a kind of spontaneous distributed computer). Then the right people and right ideas will find the optimum place in the "organism". The resulting intelligent system is far smarter and more capable than any team of campaign consultants.
I Disagree
I disagree with everything you said.
1. "There was no vote fraud"
Are you all knowing? There is some evidence to suggest the possibility of fraud.
2. "To imply someone wanted Ron Paul in fifth place vs. fourth place is stupidity in itself."
For every place back Paul finishes, that means a significant percentage less MSM coverage Paul receives. The MSM already wants to suppress Paul. A 5th versus a 4th place finish makes a difference.
3. "The campaign failed us. They barely spent anything in New Hampshire in TV advertising."
The campaign spent a ton of money on advertising in NH.
4. "Let's face it. The campaign is more than happy to be a single digits in the polls. Fire the leaders of the campaign NOW. Replace them with veteran republicans."
The leaders of this campaign are passionate people. Replacing them with verteran Republicans will deflate much of the soul from this campaign. Our campaign is absolutely fine. I will not blame this on us. The MSM is deliberately trying to sabatage us, and the last thing we should do to avoid it is completely change our campaign strategy. For crying out loud, Paul wasn't known at all a year ago and now he's polling close to double digits, thanks to the Paul campaign and the grassroot supporters. Direct your energies externally, not internally.
There are some strange
There are some strange things being reported. I would give it time before I would be so sure their was not vote fraud.
Troll?
Experts would dissagree:
http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=...
Your comment is so negative against everything about the Ron Paul Campaign.
Who are you?
Because Ron Paul went from 7% in Nov to 7.6% vote in NH Jan 8
That's why.
If you don't see that as a campaign problem vs. a conspiracy, then there is no hope for you.
Ron paul went up half a percentage point in 60 days time.
That's called ineffective campaigning. Not voter fraud.
No one in NH cares if Ron Paul placed fourth or fifth. To imply otherwise makes you wackier than 9-11 truthers.
If it is not voter fraud and the biggest conspiracy of history
Then Plato actually knew what a man was.
I am Diogenes re-encarnate. I genuflect for no hand symbols, symbols of any kind. No man or no mans ideas. I do not love my brother nor my sister, I accept them. I will not be intimidated and if I die again, so what. Throw me to be eaten by the dogs and crows. Every minute in sunlight is worth another etermity for me to cursh these Illuminati.
"I have found an honest man."
Diogenes of Sinope
"I have found an honest man."
Diogenes of Sinope
My point is:
Your complete dismissal of voter fraud, in spite of the overwhelming proof of Diebold Machine hackability and experts who suggest that Iowa and NH both used these machines.
Try reading this:
http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=...
Maybe Ron Pauls staff are not as good as you like, but to place all of the blame on them and deny voter fraud is suspicious sounding to me.
How do you explain...
Then how do you explain how Ron Paul went from 14% on Saturday to 7.6% on Tuesday? Analysts have been predicting a solid teen performance for Ron Paul, but suddenly he drops 50%? There was nothing to explain this sudden change.
Also, add to this the fact that there are people who voted for Ron Paul in Sutton, and the official tally gives him 0 votes! There are certainly some problems in this election. How far reaching, we just don't know yet.
Remember that Ron Paul has a lot of powerful enemies who don't want to lose their power base. They will not go quietly or without a fight.
Don't attribute to the campaign what is quite realistically attributable to fraud. It is not like this would be the first time. (think about Buchannon in '96).
How About Changing That To Read
Wackier than people who call themself davidg11
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Agreed - let's focus on the Illuminati hand signals
Made by the top 6 Illuminati candidates.
"I have found an honest man."
Diogenes of Sinope
"I have found an honest man."
Diogenes of Sinope
Do you have a major medical condition that we should know about.
These insane rants are all over the place from you.
The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PoL.English.The.Philo...
Recount
I want a hand recount...
http://www.2008SuperBoycott.com
We Just want Fair Coverage
http://www.2008SuperBoycott.com
We Just want Fair Coverage
'There is absolutely no reason
to consider any of the Republican caucus results to be credible.
I'm not saying they are wrong, I am saying the breakdown in checks and balances was stunning enough to call it not a magic show, but a bad magic show. ' -
Bev Harris article @ blackboxvoting
Check it out:
http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=...
For Real!
That's what my husband and I are in such disbelief over....how obvious it all was!
Ladies and Gentlemen...
Drum roll please.
They are now controlling the Internet. Your links don't work, I get redirected to ads.
"I have found an honest man."
Diogenes of Sinope
"I have found an honest man."
Diogenes of Sinope
Paper Counting...
I would like to see the actual paper count of votes. I do not nor should we trust DieBold.. I would just like to see the actual count because there are many precincts that showed 0% votes and people in the area confirmed that they voted!!!!
The system is broke and I would like to know if the campaign is actually looking into this further and lastly I am not deterred RP is doing well and there are 48 states to go....
Regards,
David F
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Regards,
David F
www.myspace.com/asymptote
Exactly
Yes, polls are to condition the public on the results. If you noticed, they had called the primary for McCain with only 44% of the vote in. That is real fishy.