It is time to replace the heads of the Ron Paul campaign
Submitted by davidg11 on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 10:35I am a 37 yr old moderate republican who is far more fiscally conservative than socially conservative. That is what attracted me to Ron Paul.
The fact that Ron Paul could not take at least fourth in the young, libertarian minded state of New Hampshire, disgusts me.
60 days passed from November and there was only less than one percentage point gain in the New Hampshire polls from 7% to 7.6%.
We now all know the state polls are indeed correct. Iowa showed it and New Hampshire tonight confirmed it.
So what to do? Who is to blame?
Kent Snyder: Chairman of Ron Paul's campaign
and
Lew Moore: Ron Paul's Campaign Manager
If Ron Paul really wants to win, he needs to hire a veteran REPUBLICAN or two who have experience running real REPUBLICAN campaigns. Not people who had experience running small congressional races in Texas.
The commericals? Stink.
Buying little TV advertising media in NH? (see the WMUR article): stinks
Hearing on this forum that they played the same radio ad over and over? stinks
Ron Paul has more money than Huckabee and McCain combined.
Ron Paul has a better message.
Ron Paul has a better grassroots network
So Ron Paul lacks only one thing: Effective people who know how to run a PRESIDENTIAL campaign.
Ron Paul actually NEEDS coaching. Sometimes he speaks brilliantly, and sometimes his brilliant thoughts are all over the map. Someone close (his campaign) needs to tell him what sounds effective and what does not.
Get these people Ron or you will be marginalized into obscurity forever.
Are there people on here so idealistic about Ron Paul that they can not finally see the ineptness of how this campaign was run? There are. All I see posted this morning is the ridiculous idea the vote tally was rigged so that what? Ron Paul got fifth place vs. fourth? Please don't be stupid. That's a ridiculous theory.
Ron was only 2100 votes away from Rudy in New Hampshire.
Ron was only 3500 votes away from fourth place in Iowa.
That difference should have been blown away by the campaign's financial strength.
It was not. REPLACE THEM NOW RON.
Commercials should be a mirror
We need a fresh round of commercials that look like Dr. Paul and that look like the movement. The ones which are being used look like 'generic candidate #6' and don't look anything like the sharp, dedicated supporters or their brave leader. They seem to be trying to appeal to guntotin' Texan males, and there's a lot more colors in our parade than that.
The next round of commercials MUST be as charming, intelligent, and winning as Dr. Paul is. Heck, just find one great quip from a talk show appearance that runs x seconds and use that. Not some humorless patronizing sermonette!
It doesn't matter one iota
It doesn't matter one iota how good the campaign manager is if Diebold machines can be used to steal the votes! Wake up to that fact!
It’s totally unjustified, divisive and misguided to start trying to cannibalize the decent people helping to run Paul’s campaign. If RP thinks he has a problem with his campaign manger LET HIM DECIDED WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT!
Meanwhile vote fraud is a fact:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ecdkCVD7mM
Recounts & Heads
I URGE EVERYONE TO WRITE THE CAMPAIGN NOW:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/contact/form
1. DEMAND a RECOUNT
2. REQUEST MATCHING FUNDS
3. GO ON THE AIR IMMEDIATELY AND ANNOUNCE PROBLEMS
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A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges. - Ben Franklin
This post is undermining...Let it die...but
If anyone has a beef....call/write the decision makers---do not post these undermining rants here.
Use your heads...
Feedback is good....but not this spewing ranting here...why can't you all see this is undermining?
Or, are these ones doing it on purpose?
Use your heads...send this stuff to the decision makers---instead of posting to here for newbies to see what losers campaign heads or we all are.
You've got it wrong
The campaign management is undermining Paul's success. This needs to be said in public. The more people wake up to the management's incompetence, the more pressure there will be for them to be replaced with smarter people. Sure, it may be a disturbance in the short term, but in the longer term it's for the best if it's successful. Paul cannot make it to the next level with the current campaign managers.
Exactly...listen to RON PAUL
Let's see who was it that said if a patient receives a treatment and its not working, I dont' continue with the same treatment and give them more to kill the patient.
I CHANGE the treatment!
So why give more money and respect for a campagin staff which apparently isn't working?
CHANGE THE STAFF!
Listen to Ron Paul's words and learn from them.
Running a fine campaign? This isn't for student counsel.
i do not believe that the campaign is fine anymore. I no longer trust the campaign. I was told to trust the campaign, and i trusted and now my candidate, Ron Paul is failing. There was a job to do - a big job, and we gave them twenty millions dollars, and we are in the toilet. Sleazeball Ghoulinai beat us. Dr. Ron Paul is failing and losing. Soon the media will be justified in ignoring him and it will get worse. I can no longer compliment a staff for not being able to beat the Ghouliani. If you were my vendor, i would fire you.
And if one more educated person tries to say "three states don't count" i am getting out my Remington. I am fed up with being lied to.
From the Campaign: I got told that Huckabee had no real momentum, that it was known that the media would give him a brief spot, but that Ron Paul could win in Iowa. LOL. I did not really believe this person, but boy, he was sure of himself. It was a person from the campaign. As for Huckabee going the distance? That is not the point. The point is, the early damage - hard to recover from!
I trust my gut now, and my gut says, this campaign is not on track to put Ron Paul in the White House. Who cares about accolades? We are not launching a new car.
So, forgive me if i withhold my praise for the lovely staff. They have not delivered enough results, for my needs. And i see no reason to believe they have a rabbit in their shorts. Possible some feces.
WHAT IS THE PLAN TO DO BETTER THEN? I can no longer run on fumes - i need to KNOW there is real hope to win. Or forget it.
I see a departure point. Either you praise and reward the campaign, (and get the same dismal results) OR you say, "Thanks for trying guys, but you just are not good enough for this task. We need someone better. I am not satisfied for my money, i think it needs to be better - i think Dr. Paul needs to find the best strategists he can find now, because if we fail, let it not be because we 'did our best' with inferior materials." Line in the sand time - or kiss your revolution goodbye. And i suppose under the Homegrown Thoughts Act i have violated everyone.
Just because someone is lying to me does not make it true. I am curious. What side are you on? Do we go along status quo or make some radical improvements?
ACTION ITEM: Get a delegation of Grassroots people - the smartest ones you can find. Go to the campaign HQ and present your grievances. Then give them a chance to SHOW YOU (not with bs words) why they are going to double results next time. Look at the plan, (confidentiality would be enforced) and report back to the rest of the Meetups - What is the prognosis? From the inside, were you convinced that the campaign had a new direction, better ideas?
Then, we would have some idea of what to ask for, as a body of Americans with a huge stake in this! Thank you. If i get flagged or whatever - well, i tried. I am trying to offer a solution here, not just complaints.
Ron Paul 2008
Ron Paul 2008
Stop....here...
Go read the 'secret' plan thread running....
let this topic die...it is undermining.
Too soon to whine and cry
Rudy Ghouliani did not spend a fortune in NH because he is saving his time and money for the states that outnumber the delegates 2 to 1. Perhaps Ron Paul is doing the same.
Too soon to whine and cry about a loss in NH which is an obvious Democratic rich state.
Ok, people, please learn Ron Paul's election history
Paul's chief of staff from 1978 to 1982 was Lew Rockwell.
In 1984, Paul chose to run for the U.S. Senate instead of re-election to the House, but lost the Republican primary to Phil Gramm
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Do you guys understand that Ron Paul is using the same guy for his run for Congress in a congressional district that he used for the Senate (AND LOST) and uses now for the Presidential election (AND IS LOSING).
That's a problem people.
I wonder how many people here know that Ron Paul ran for US Senate and lost. That's why he gets no respect. He's a congressman, not a Senator. Not a Governor.
If you want to run in the big leagues, you hire BIG GUNS. You don't stick with the guys who got you a congressional district seat in congress.
According To The Campaign Website
He has nothing scheduled today. NHQ needs to do a much better job of keeping us informed about his travels and events so we can help rally people to attend. There is nothing on the "events" calendar from Jan. 11th through the 15th.
Jan 10
FoxNews/ SC GOP Debate
Myrtle Beach Convention Center, Myrtle Beach, SC
9:00 PM ET
Jan 16
NPR Debate
Check local radio listings
2:00 PM ET - 4:00 PM ET
The dude needs a day off
you try to do what he does. sheesh.
When the other candidates take a day off
Then Ron Paul can too.
I totally agree - it's time for the Big Guns......
Davidg11 -- you are so right on! He needs a veteran campaign manager who knows how to play the game, perhaps even a speech coach (sometimes he speaks too quickly), and a New York marketing agency to put forth slick and compelling advertisements. The campaign has the money and we will give him more if we see promising results.
It's time to watch this video
Here is a group of Paul supporters after NH. These folks are incredible. There message is important. Please watch and spread this around. Don't worry folks, HQ has a plan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCHTzumpk4Q
Concerns
I must admit that I too have concerns about the management. I am not screaming for their heads, yet. I am astonished that in the Independent stronghold of NH Ron Paul could only garnish 8% of the vote. There were areas in Iowa where he excelled and also in NH so some things have been done right. What were they? Not much time to learn between primaries but a few more poor showings and it wont matter. Not whining, just making obsrvations.
Thanks for reading.
Heck, if they were to hire a
Heck, if they were to hire a high school football coach we could at least get a strategy formulated.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
sounds like you're mad and want someone to blame
just because you didn't get the results you wanted in nh and iowa and you are calling for heads to roll.
none of us has any idea what kent snyder and lew moore actually do.
personally, I think dr. paul is running a remarkable campaign. I'm always impressed when I hear kent snyder talk and think they have worked some miracles over the past several months.
If there was vote fraud in NH, that is not the campaigns fault. I'm sure they want to expose it more than any one of you do.
Go put up some signs and walk your precinct.
thanks.
A lot of threads are just venting but I don't see that
as much on this one. Signs did not get us double digits in NH.
-JP
The first 5 million supporters of Dr. Paul are 'early adopters.' The next 10 million will require a modified approach.
Challenge to HQ and Dr. Paul
The SC debate is tomorrow night and polls will surely be taken the next day.
If by the 12th or 13th RP does not have 10% in any poll, empty the bank now on SC, Nevada and Maine, buying just 3 tv ads:
* eLiberty's war & debt piece
* defender of freedom
* Jeremiah black's best
Many of us have given so much of our time and treasure; we are hesitant to try for another $23 million, even weary. The Campaign needs top-down action now before the Grassroots is flogged again.
Empty the bank account if the next debate doesn't give Ron a bounce. Please.
Ads you say? Yes, TV matters. Hillary Clinton's tears were seen on TV and she snatched back thousands of woman who were going to vote for OBama.
Agreed?
-JP
The first 5 million supporters of Dr. Paul are 'early adopters.' The next 10 million will require a modified approach.
You have to keep in mind
You have to keep in mind also that if the campaign is unable to sustain at least a 6% standing in the polls, we will be automatically 'uninvited' to further debates by ABC network, for example.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
There Are A Lot Of Libertarian Minded Voters In SC
John O'Connor, Political Reporter with "The State" (Columbia, SC) was interviewed on C-SPAN this morning and that is what he said. He was asked if Ron Paul was going to be a factor in the SC primary and he said, "absolutely." He went on to say that SC has a very strong independent streak.
Because SC moved their primary to be held before Feb. 5th, the RNC has issued sanctions. Only 50% of the delegates (24) will be able to attend the Natl. Convention.
What are we going to do to reach the voters in SC prior to Jan. 19th? "What is the official campaign going to do? I just read this in an article about the SC primary:
"For the Republicans, illegal immigration and the war in Iraq are top issues, according to a recent Winthrop University/ETV poll. Immigration is the subject of some three dozen bills pending before the state legislature, some sparked by concerns about the state's rapidly growing immigrant population."
These issues should propel Ron Paul to the top, but they won't unless we get RP's message out to them. We need to contact all the SC meetup groups to focus on these two issues.
Will SC voters watch tomorrow night's debate?
If so, added to what you're saying, RP should poll at what, 15% by Sunday? Let's hope so. But if not.......
The first 5 million supporters of Dr. Paul are 'early adopters.' The next 10 million will require a modified approach.
Kent Snyder Has to Go!
Kent Snyder Has to Go for Victory for Doctor No!
Kent Snyder Has to Go for Victory for Doctor No!
Kent Snyder Has to Go for Victory for Doctor No!
You're a divisive shill.
You're a divisive shill.
Brainstorm idea: Have Dr Paul on American Idol or "Dancing..."
Brainstorm idea: Have Dr Paul on American Idol or "Dancing with the Stars"!
Lame idea? Well...maybe. But it does illustrate my point that DUMB AMERICANS WOULD RATHER FIND OUT WHO WINS "IDOL" OR "DANCING" than care about who wins the PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION! ! !
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I read he is in 4th place, so which is it, 4th or 5th place?
Anyone? There's threads here saying 4th place.
I bet he should have got 3rd or 2nd.. read the" Vote Fraud" thread /Bev Harris....another reason why he doesn't do so well... just like W "won" on 2000 and 2004.
I live in NH
and would say that although there some young, liberatarian-minded voters, this state is NOT conducive to RP's message. At least not the way it was presented.
Three months ago RP and John McCain were essentially even in NH. McCain came up with a plan that worked. Give him credit. RP did not have a plan. So time to make adjustments.
RP could have won New Hampshire. Make no mistake about that!
h-daddy
"live free or die" means live cheap or die
Most residents of NH appreciate their lack of income and sales tax very much - more than a few of them ONLY live their as a bedroom to their jobs in the socialist states of Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, and Maine.
Most residents interpret the state's motto of live free or die" as an encouragement of their consumerism and socialism.
Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28
Maybe New Hampshire is like most other states.They like big Govt
I don't know anyone from New Hampshire but maybe this state is not too different from the rest of the country in that they benefit from military contracts and other govt largesse. Between that and manipulating the vote count....maybe the results we got are to be expected. Personally, the small govt message that I share with folks here in Colorado does not really resonate with what I call mainstream folks. People have a hard time tying together freedom from government as being a free people. It is so incredibly ingrained in the general public that all problems in society must be solved by govt. Even so called free market advocates or conservatives have a hard time with this concept.
Personally......I think Ron Paul is doing great. He is getting the message out and using the national stage to introduce the foreign concept of a society based on limited govt and free markets. This is the real goal of the campaign. Educating the masses. This is a huge undertaking and it simply takes time and of course money.
Viva Ron Paul