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MA delegates asked to sign affidavit that they will vote for Romney on first ballot

UPDATE & DISCLAIMER:To the delegates who are affected directly by this communication: DO NOT take any advice listed in the comments without first consulting with the Official Campaign directly. As with all free advice on the internet, you get what you pay for.

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Massachusetts delegates to the RNC in Tampa have received a letter and affidavit that they are being asked to sign and return, affirming that, under the pain and penalty of perjury, they will vote for Mitt Romney in the first round of voting.

Below is the text of the letter and affidavit, transcribed by me, as it was read to me over the phone by an elected Massachusetts delegate. What should they do?

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Dear Massachusetts Republican Delegates and Massachusetts Republican Alternate Delegates,

Under the rules of the Massachusetts Republican Party Plan for the Selection of Delegates and the rules of the National Republican Party, the Avocation Committee charged with certifying Massachusetts delegates for the 2012 Republican National Convention in Tampa, Florida requires each elected delegate and alternate to sign, under the pains and penalties of perjury, the herewith enclosed affirmation, and to be returned on or before 3pm May 29, 2012 to the Massachusetts Republican Party at 85 Merrimack Street, Suite 400, Boston MA 02114.

Electronic delivery, in any form, will not be accepted. Your failure to duly and timely remit the enclosed affidavit will put your status as a delegate in jeopardy.

Sincerely

Ed McGrath
Allocation Committee Chairman

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I ________ residing at _______ in ________ MA, was elected at the ________ Congressional District Caucus held in _______ MA on April 28, 2012 as a National Delegate / Alternate Delegate to the 2012 Republican National Convention. In accordance with Sections 70b and 70i, Chapter 53 of the General Laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, the Massachusetts Republican Party Plan for the selection of delegates to the Tampa Florida 2012 National Convention and Rule 15 of the Rules of the Republican Party, I certify under the pain and penalty of perjury, that on the first ballot at the 2012 Republican National Convention, I will affirmatively Vote for Mitt Romney, the winner of the 2012 Massachusetts Presidential Primary.



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"ask" is the key word! (asked to sign)

I'd like to ASK everyone reading this to please send money to my paypal account.
It's americandrewonline@yahoo.com
If I get enough money...I might buy an airplane.
More than likely I'll just pay bills with it. THANKS!

Whether you do somersaults or back bends, it ain't neither.

Whether you do somersaults or back bends, it ain't an affidavit nor perjury. A pledge is neither.

If a book such as, Affidavits for Idiots is ever published, this nonsense might be addressed & put in its place.

Please disregard this aforementioned pledge. It is not what it claims to be. It is nonsense.

"We have a criminal jury system which is superior to any in the world; and its efficiency is only marred by the difficulty of finding twelve men every day who don't know anything and can't read." - Mark Twain, 4th of July speech 1873

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

You honestly think they can force you

Think about it for a second. Delegates are unbound at every level, what makes them bound at the RNC. Don't give into the fear. Know the rules. Vote your concious.

You may even vote your conscience if you have one.

"If you grant that one man's conscience doesn't know right from wrong, it is an admission that there are others like it. This single admissions pulls down the whole doctrine of infallibility of judgment in consciences."
- What is Man? by Mark Twain

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Non-Binding straw poll...

No don't sign it! They are trying to bind you to a non-binding straw poll. Wipe your ass with it and send it back!

REPEAT: DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING

Jerry Davis, a Criminal Law Professional, in response to this very same information on Facebook at "Lawyers for Ron Paul" said:

1. "It IS ILLEGAL TO FORCE ANYONE TO VOTE ANY CERTAIN WAY... PERIOD!!!!"

2. "ALL of the 'binding' IS under civil constitutional law.... VERIFIABLY... ILLEGAL."

3. "We are not even going the rule 38 route, ANY means of manipulating a vote.... is illegal."

Hell just give

up because you can't tell some of these people anything. Just let them swallow this crap and run under the bank with it. Then they can stand by an watch Romney and the Republican Party steal the nomination away from Paul. What they need to do is grow a pair. I never thought I would ever see this kind of talk on a RP site. I thought RP supporters had more grit than this. It is starting to make me sick.

Unless Jerry Davis is licensed to practice in Massachusetts...

... and has experience with Massachusetts election law (and, preferably, with Massachusetts criminal law as well), none of our Massachusetts Liberty delegates should be relying on his legal advice as to whether to consider swearing falsely to an affidavit.

I mean no disrespect to you, LadyHawk.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Sue the Romney Campaign

SCcratch out Romney's name

Put in Ron Paul. Scratch out "under the pain and penalty of perjury," and put in "for the love of my country".

Of course, I don't know what I'm talking about. But line vetoing this poorly spelled affidavit would be fun.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

Romney gleefully said he

used the line-item veto as Governor 844 times!

If Romney were to become president,

Would we all have to sign loyalty affidavits? Perhaps we could call him Dear Leader? Oh...that one was already taken. lol

Attention All Delegates! Break your "Binds" and vote for the Constitution in Tampa! Ron Paul 2012

I'm surprised

they didn't mail coupons for free subs along with these to try and persuade more people to sign. Personally, I'd rather starve to death than vote for Romney.

Perjury-Definition

The willful giving of false testimony under oath or affirmation, before a competent tribunal, upon a point material to a legal inquiry.

Three points here that should prove that no one needs to fear any possible punishment.

"competent tribunal" - No one can argue that the GOP is competent (haha).

"upon a point material" - A delegate has one out of 2289 votes. By no means would that be considered material.

"legal inquiry" - The GOP is essentially a club. There is no legal inquiry here. You are not required under Federal, State or Local laws to participate. You are governed by "rules" set forth by a club.

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
John Adams

My name is Mark Twain & I approve of this message.

Above penalty of perjury, verily I go.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Sign on the dotted line:

"FU*K ROMNEY" But be sure to write it in very pretty cursive writing. So they get the hint and see that you can be "civil" in your disapproval. ^-^

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government." - Thomas Paine

(╮°-°)╮┳━┳ (╯°□°)╯┻━┻ "RON PAUL 2012 DAMNIT!"

Perjury cannot bind a future obligation

perjury relates to a statement made, information provided, testimony given or "certification" of facts.

It has nothing to do with a future action; it has to do with current or past information.

This is a ruse to scare delegates; has NO TEETH; and signing it does not affect anything, imo.

Exactly ...

Because you can sign this, and later state "I changed my mind after it was signed"
And then it is NOT perjury.

And even if they added language asking people to declare "I will not change my mind" .. it would still
not be perjury if you change your mind, because you can always state, at the time you were signing
it, you were not aware that you were going to change your mind

Agreed

imo people should sign then disregard or just disregard. I'd like to know what official line the campaign will take.

All it is is an attempt to flush Paul delegates out.

And he didn't even offer everyone subs.

A few things I noticed

and have questions about.

Are there any instructions on how they want this document returned?

Playing devils advocate here. Lets just assume this is legal. You sign it. How is this supposed to be returned to prove you did sign it and sent it back?

The big red flag for me is this sentence

"Your failure to duly and timely remit the enclosed affidavit will put your status as a delegate in jeopardy"

It is not clear if you don't sign this that you will be removed as a delegate. It say it will put your status in jeopardy.

Jeopardy: hazard or risk of or exposure to loss, harm, death, or injury

I am no law expert but I do not see how this thing could be binding.

It's a fishing expedition imo

it's tactically very clever (even if it's illegal) because it's designed for Ron Paul stealth delegates to out themselves.

Already some delegates have probably outed themselves reacting strongly to the affidavit.

If the document itself is illegal and therefore unenforceable then I think the best thing is to sign. All the rombots will sign straight away.

What it needs is communication between the delegates and the campaign not my idle speculation in public on here!

if you plan to sign it,

sign it with an "x"

they can't prove who signed it

yea

cause future presidents have to make their delegates sign contracts to vote for them right? what a joke, romney will guarantee obama a 2nd term.

I don't even see where

there is a line for the signature at the bottom.
This is definitely very usable in the bird cage.
Chip-chirp

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

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One simple question

Did it arrive via certified or registered mail?

No?

; )

I'd check on the particular rules

and if you can't find one that states this is proper procedure in every election and that precedents have already been set, you know they are blowing smoke up you know where. If you can't find that this has been done in the past and are sure there would be no consequences, I'd cut out Romney's name, sign it, photocopy it and send it in. Who knows, they might not even open the envelopes until after the Convention. I myself would be willing to face what ever penalties were imposed in order to shove this down their throats at Tampa.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

Like I have already stated

I am willing to go to jail. Show up at the RNC and I will show you how it is done.

What a desperate move by an uninspiring campaign

and a dying party.

Instead of the pain and penalty of perjury, they should have threatened that Romney would come to your house, hold you down, and cut off your hair.

Or

strap you to the roof of his limo.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

This seems fairly simple: Do

This seems fairly simple: Do you plan to vote for Romney? If not, then don't sign it.

Frankly, signing it and then voting for Paul would likely be more of a reason to challenge your delegate status than not signing it. As far as we know, an affidavit is not a requirement to become a delegate. However, committing blatant and obvious perjury (when you sign it and then vote for Ron Paul) might be enough to call into question your competency as a delegate and provide grounds for removal.

Let's not bother with games like "having someone else sign it" or "sign it but not vote for Romney." Likewise, trying to find a "technical" definition of perjury or whatever seems to be a waste. Let's just take this document at face value and, as such, it should not be signed.