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RARE 1989 Video! Dr. Paul speaking @ Libertarian Party State Chairs Meeting: Reflections on '88 Pres. Race

Just as if our Gray Champion made the speech, yesterday!

Ron Paul on His 1988 Libertarian Party Presidential Run

http://youtu.be/GewLKQU7XSs

Download the .mp3 version of this speech here.

Published on May 15, 2012 by LibertarianismDotOrg

Dr. Ron Paul is currently the U.S. Representative for Texas's 14th congressional district. He has also been a three-time candidate for President of the United States; as a Libertarian in 1988 and as a Republican in 2008 and 2012.

In this video from a 1989 meeting of the Libertarian Party State Chairs, Dr. Paul shares experiences from his campaign in 1988. He talks about various challenges the campaign faced and expresses optimism for the future of libertarian ideas in the United States.

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++ NOTE: Koch Bros' CATO finally capitulates: Ron Paul IS important to the libertarian movement!

Duh!

For those who may not be familiar, the reason why I say that is because until this election cycle, Dr. Paul has NEVER been invited to speak at CATO, if you can believe that. Yes, Dr. Paul, the most famous libertarian/voluntaryist alive, the man whom single-handedly inspired a whole new generation of people WORLDWIDE, provided more 'liberty gateway drug' for them than anyone alive or passed-on, has never spoke at the self-professed libertarian institution most famous in DC.

In fact I believe Rand spoke at CATO before Ron did (for those who know for certain, please correct me).

Granted it's a bit too inside baseball, but like all political movements, we've had our share of sub-faction disputes. And the most notable is the Mises vs. Koch Brothers' CATO/Reason: it's all due to the co-founder of CATO, the anarcho-capitalist extraordinaire Murray N. Rothbard vs. Koch Bros. split

There's a reason why CATO/Reason worships statist corporatist pro-FED. Reserve Chicago School's Milton Friedman, but they never, rarely if ever, mention Mises, or Rothbard, or anyone else associated with Lew Rockwell, including Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul.

Peter Schiff so far has always been sort of a 'bridge' between the two, cross-attending both institute's conferences.

So when CATO's Libertarianism.org puts up a classic video of Dr. Paul AT their own official YouTube page, the Koch boys are definitely riding the winds of change.

Certainly, it's a minor petty point for those just learning about libertarianism, but for the O.G.'s, some wounds haven't healed. Just a reference, for those who maybe curious, 'tis all.



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actually the split I was referring to was specifically

in regard to Murray splitting from CATO, practically soon after he helped form it (well okay, that makes it sound much more immediate, but you get the gist), as cited above: http://www.lewrockwell.com/gordon/gordon37.html

As I understand it, Gordon was the Rothbard protégé. He breaks down it into three primary reasons for the split:

Three main issues led to the irreparable rupture. First, as I have already mentioned, Austrian economics was central to Rothbard's system. He did not embrace all economists who more or less favored a free market: quite the contrary, he wished sharply to differentiate Austrian economics from the Chicago School.

...If we ask how it came about that Henderson was hired we immediately arrive at the second main incident leading to the split. Roy Childs, the editor of Libertarian Review, and Henderson were friends, and Henderson secured his post largely through Childs's recommendation.

...For Rothbard, the last straw was Clark's depiction of himself as a "low-tax liberal." Rothbard in his privately printed publication Libertarian Forum assailed this as a betrayal of libertarian principle: Clark, after all, was campaigning as an explicit libertarian. Rothbard would not have objected to a self-consciously "moderate" policy of tax and welfare reform had these been part of a Constitution Party platform. But the candidate of the Libertarian Party, he thought, must embrace libertarianism in uncompromising form.

As Murray put it best, as why he left CATO: "billionaires [the Kochs] don't like to be told, NO."

as you probably know already, Rothbard was in fact the person who named CATO, 'cato."

in light of the current ongoing Kochs' mission to boot Ed Crane, apparently Murray was legally contractually entitled to some CATO shares, as he never relinquished them; the Kochs simply told him that they'll be holding his shares locked in a their company safe, and after the split, simply never let him retrieve it.

as you also probably know, Rothbard has been at the forefront of every important libertarian milestone: he co-founded THE Libertarian Party of today with Nolan. He also co-founded CATO, then obviously later left shop to be involved with Mises Inst.

As far as your observation on the PC issue, I'm sure that contributed to the two sides' distinct disparate direction. As I wasn't there to witness it, I'm gonna have to take your word for it, on that one. Though does sounds about right, from what I've read, and heard.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Starting the Libertarian Party was a huge Strategic mistake.

When I met Nolan here at the 2010 ISIL convention I found a moment to ask him.... "Upon reflection, now that some 40 years has past, was it a strategic mistake to start the Libertarian Party?" I believe he just looked at me like I was crazy or his mind was spinning on the puzzling thought.

So I added, "Back in 1970, coming out of the 1960's, there were two general social movements, one that held a big concern for the earth, plants and animals and that all folded under the "Environmental movement".

"The other social movement were the the various liberty-self determination movements: ie. liberty-self determination for black Americans in the workplace, social life, and home-life, (Google Malcolm x).... liberty-self determination for women in the workplace, social life, and home-life, (Google Betty Friedan) ....liberty-self determination for Indian Americans in the workplace, social life, and home-life (Google Russel Means and watch the cult hit movie "Billy Jack"), .....liberty-self determination for Mexican Americans in the workplace, social life, and home-life (Google Cesar Chavez) ....liberty-self determination for Gay & Lesbian Americans in the workplace, social life, and home-life... and these movements were also "anti-Vietnam war" movements.

Here is my point, the Environmental movement was able to capture all the various interests under one banner, even the health movement fell under its large umbrella. And they stayed as a social movement, and never became a party at the time. They then were able to work BOTH PARTIES. They even got lots of major legislation done for them as a political movement that did not become a party.

But the libertarian movement that came out of the 1960's was also anti-Vietnam war and it was pro-gold, pro-free market. By breaking free of the GOP, free marketers wanted liberty-self determination for all Americans. As a movement, the libertarian movement could have captured all the other liberty-self determination movements across the spectrum. But instead, it quickly formed a political party and went no where fast. It did not grow. It chose a gay California philosophy professor, Mr. John Hospers as its first Presidential candidate and Ms. Tonie Nathan as the first woman VP in 1972 but it failed to attract the both woman and gay American who desperately wanted liberty & self determination.

Throughout the 1970's the Environmentalist movement grew wide and broad and deep. If a republican or democrat pushed their issue, it did not matter. And they gained huge social acceptance for their ideas. By the end of the 1970's "everybody cares about the environment" was a real success. It was a moral high ground that meant that politically you could not be seen as Not PRO-Environment.

Meanwhile, the various liberty-self determination groups were absorbed into the liberal progressive socialist democratic fold. While each group aspired to liberty & self determination, their "friendly" liberal-socialist was there to tell them that to get it, you need government favors, grants, and 'special rights'.

And during the 1970's the LP went nowhere, FAST. In the 1970's it was a debate society that brought together the philosophy of Ayn Rand, the economics of Milton Friedman and Murray Rothbard, and it hung out with the anti-communists because they were the only ones who would listen to boring free market economics. In the 1980's it was a refuge for those who did not buy into the PC sweeping the country. By the 1990's it was a computer geekdom refuge.

My point is, by becoming a political party in 1971, Nolan and Rothbard single offhandedly killed the chance to use the libertarian philosophy to shelter and home the various self-determination groups that came out of the 1960s.

Today the R3VOLution is not a Party. Thank gawd for that. It can grow. It can breathe. Notice that in the 2000 the Environmental movement died. Do you know what killed it? It became a political party, the GREEN PARTY. Most of all, to do that, it adopted socialist progressive economic assumptions and thus churns out those "solutions". This has resulted in the very people who love wildlife, killing it. See 60 minutes here: http://www.dailypaul.com/209683/exterminate-liberal-thought-...

The R3VOlution has a real chance in bringing lots of various groups back to the liberty-self determination fold. The problem is that in the last 30 years these groups have swallowed a lot of Political Correctness, "educated themselves" about the virtues of "democratic socialism", and have created a sub-political culture that has not only its own style, its own coolness, its own hip, but also created its own "mating network". As any sociobiologist can tell you, once you have females selecting males upon this criteria, you have a future movement.

Well we in the R3VOlution are not so mature, we are just 5 years old if that. We are just now gaining a culture, gaining a style, and most of all gaining females who select us as "any friend of Ron Paul is a friend of mine". With females comes a future. Notice that in the 1970's, 80's and 90's and even today, the LP is 90% men. Yes, its a dead party, a dead movement. We on the other hand, are a real MOVEMENT. The R3VOLution is alive and well. It is diverse, from country to rapp to punkrock, to folk, we are alive. We are about liberty and self determination, or have I repeated myself?

This is not to say that the environmental progressive left is not unbreakable. Science itself is doing the breaking, from Sociobiology, to free market "voluntarist economics", yes we have our in-roads to the left. We need to be in these circles.

So, keeping the R3VOLution outside of the GOP and DNC, means we mingle with all the rest, from the 99%'rs to the Greens to the Constitutionalists, to the Birthers, to the John Birchers, to the Gold Bugs, to the LGBT community, to the Gun Rights to the what have you.... The R3VOLution can incorporate it all because freedom and liberty and self-determination are common popular values. We come from the point of view that COMMUNITY is something voluntary "3VOL", a bottom up creation, and its a good thing. We also come from the point that top down govt controls can and does kill community. "Farmers markets are free markets" - Now that is a bumper sticker that gets an environmentalist to thinking.

Treg

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We learned a lot that year of 1989 - We grew up and realized

that the 2-Parties OWN the national Debate Stage BECAUSE the 2-Parties are owned by the Main Stream Media. And who owns the nation's Main Stream Media? Yes, the Military Industrial Banking Complex

http://www.dailypaul.com/217383/go-libertarian-or-go-freedom...

Treg

Yes, please BUY this wonderful libertarian BOOK! We all must know the History of Freedom! Buy it today!

"The System of Liberty: Themes in the History of Classical Liberalism" ...by author George Smith --
Buy it Here: http://www.amazon.com/dp/05211820

The information war is just getting started. :)

It is good to be on the side of truth when an information war gets started. The truth never changes.

It's good to hear...

he still has that same, infectious laugh :)

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White Rhinoceros

same as a white rino?
someone have a definition?
;-/

“The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.”

– Thomas Jefferson

I did a google for "white

I did a google for "white rhinoceros libertarian" and couldn't get much of an answer. 'White rino' is the name of a strain of marijuana and the white rhinoceros is an endangered species. So someone was either asking him about marijuana (which I think he has a very clear answer about) or his approach to the endangered specie?

"You must be frank with the world; frankness is the child of honesty and courage...Never do anything wrong to make a friend or keep one...Above all do not appear to others what you are not" - Robert E. Lee, CSA

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Thanks!

so many details, so little time.
enjoyed the quote from Dr. Paul and his Iowa Dr. friend:
"I guess what people do behind the barn really is their own business"

“The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.”

– Thomas Jefferson

Bookmarked...this is awesome,

Bookmarked...this is awesome, thanks! Every RP supporter should watch this.

Even More Consistent Than I Realized!

He was cutting the five departments back then too?!? Astounding!

Funny how he kind of forgot which ones, like Perry (she said good-naturedly.)

I was there!

..With my Dad, who was the Nevada LP's State Chair : )

Kudos to you sir!

for keeping Dr. Paul's name and the message alive for all these years, before any of us 'newbies' came along!

much thanks and gratitude!!!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Thank-you for posting this!

It brings back memories. ..My Dad took me to the '77 National Convention, where I served as an (alternate) delegate. I was 13!

..My Dad passed away in '03 and the rest of my family, (mostly not Libertarian) like to give me a hard time about being Republican for the first time in my life. ..But I know that somewhere, Dad's smiling. : )

wow you're an 'old' hand at this!

thank you for sharing. I too hope he is smiling.D

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

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and to you for bringing it back, for those of us

who missed it in '88.

I remember him back then. I

I remember him back then. I had more hair and his wasn't as grey

bit more

fiery, though!!!

sizzle!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Well

its not rare anymore!!!

The video is amazing, but the

The video is amazing, but the commentary is a little annoying. The CATO institute is currently being sued by the Kochs for control of the Board. So to identify it as a Mises/Rockwell vs Koch/CATO split is not entirely accurate. And, frankly, I'm not the least bit interested in the silly in-fighting between the various pro-liberty groups. I love them all, they all have my support, and I wish that everyone would take a page from Ron Paul and be decent to one another.

Milton Friedman is a libertarian hero, not a "statist/corporatist". He wasn't pure, but neither is Hans Herman-Hoppe, and the latter's non-libertarian views on immigration do not make me call him an imaginary-state-line-worshipping statist.

so you're a fan of CATO/Reason, I take it?

You know, it's as if I didn't even put all that rather lengthy "annoying commentary" as a disclaimer.

I suppose I should've made it a bit more clear: "caveat emptor!"

Why don't people ever read everything anymore??

1. As I stated, it may seem "petty" to new comers, but does not diminish the legitimate gripes those from the 1970's had.

2. "And, frankly, I'm not the least bit interested in the silly in-fighting between the various pro-liberty groups."

Well that's nice and all, but that's why I specifically prefaced it by stating that, that tid-bit was for those who may be "curious" if they come across some murmurs about Mises vs. CATO and don't know what all the hubbub was about, thus the David Gordon's article link; but as I also basically implicitly alluded to: I acknowledged that it is more than likely irrelevant to those newly coming in.

3. But here's where you're completely wrong: when you worship the power of the Fed as Milton did, as in believed in using the power of quasi-govt corporatist entity to centrally plan the price of 'money' destroying wealth by inflation thievery, ie. use of monopoly of govt force, he instantly disqualified himself from being a libertarian by any honest Non-Agression Axiom litmus test. So by definition, Milton WAS a statist. PERIOD.

Chicago School is NOT "free market econ." Don't kid yourself. They're as corporatist as you can get. Sure I respect Milton's son pursuing the whole SeaSteading, but let's be clear: Milton Friedman was the Ruling Class' idea of what a 'free market' libertarian is.

He maybe a "hero" to the Koch Fake/Beltarians. But he's NOT a hero of mine, NOR to many other minarchists, and certainly no hero to almost all AnCap/voluntaryists.

And what the Kochs are doing is only trying give Ed Crane the boot. There's no de facto ownership. Kochs never relinquished their ownership. Crane just thought he owned it, without realizing that he's always been an expendable middle management. It's a mere employer-employee contract dispute.

Besides, while I don't really feel like rehashing it in too much depth, as frankly I too am sick and tired of having to explain this every time it comes up as I expect most to do due diligence on this issue enough to know what happened but apparently some still don't: do you have any idea what Crane and Matt Welch/Julian Sanchez/Nick Gillespie at CATO/Reason did to Dr. Paul?

You do realize that even until last year, even David Boaz tacitly passive-aggressively talked sh*t about Dr. Paul behind his back, constantly?

Just where the hell did you think some obscure douchebag nobody named Kirchick got directed to seek out an obscure state university library archive that just happened to maintain a whole stash of the 'newsletters?'

Really, just how did you think a fresh out of college Likudnik liberal whose claim to fame was a mini college docu on speech, who later ended up at the rabid AIPAC whore Marty Peretz' TNR, found his way onto an obscure paleocon/libertarian/'rightwing' literature collection at a back corner dustbin at a state university archives, without being directed?

And just why do you suppose it was Reason Mag crew that provided mirror files of what Kirchick was smearing about, so as to provide a faux 'indepedent 3rd-party verification' of what he was asserting?

And just who do you think floated the rumor that it was Lew Rockwell who was directly responsible for writing the 'controversial' portions of the 'newsletters,' with ABSOLUTELY ZERO PROOF??

That was strictly Ed Crane and Matt Welch/Sanchez/Gillespie.

So yes, it's kinda irrelevant, until the smear campaign starts again, and it'd be kind of a good idea for some here to know the source for the origin of the smear, no?

Caveat Emptor.

PS. Last I checked, Hoppe doesn't believe in 'benign' use of the Fed. Reserve, as Fridman did.

PS.2. While all the minutiae of Mises vs. CATO is irrelevant to me, in the aggregate, it doesn't erase who did what. And it irks me to no end watching the likes of Matt Welch trying to ride the coattails now, when he was too busying trashing Dr. Paul back in 2007/2008 to bother with us. That's why it's important to at least know who some of the players on the board are. That's was my sole intent in pointing all this out. Your mileage may vary, and that's okay, too.

I only care that we agree on a few things:

1. get Dr. Paul elected POTUS, whether he likes it or not.D
2. continue to promote core tenets of freedom philosophy such as the Non-Initiation of Force/Non-Agression Axiom, and Natural Rights
3. deny anymore centralization or use of force by govt as much as possible.

beyond that, you can worship the spaghetti monster for all I care; my boat is pretty open, and built with pretty tough bulkheads.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

thanks ancap

the more of your posts I read, the more I respect you.

my sincere thanks

you're welcome. too kind.

moi? just a consciousness + keyboard

LOL

.D

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

It is good to at least

It is good to at least mention that there is/was a split. When I first discovered Dr. Paul in 2007/2008 I was pretty confused about why CATO/Reason didn't seem very supportive...which you would think they would be, with Ron Paul growing in popularity and running a national race. It always seemed like something was odd. But when I learned about the history, it put things into context.

Dr. Paul briefly addressed

his experience on the now infamous Morton Downey Show.

Also around 10min mark, he reveals what he knows all too well: ASSociated Press LIES! LIES! and LIES!

The precursor to AP's current vote tally central THIEVERY tabulation reporting system, the National Election Service (NES), Dr. Paul notes that even then, his campaign had to picket outside their NYC office because according to National Election Service reporting, "libertarians are non-people."

But the pièce de résistance? When Dr. Paul directly confronted the head of the NES, and asked how would NES report on election night IF the Dem POTUS candidate got 45%, the GOP 45% and him the libertarian got 10%? Wait for it... wait for it... wai: the NES head directly piercing at Dr. Paul menacingly told him off with "fifty/fifty!"

That's what we've ALWAYS been up against folks. They literally think its 'their club, their party, their system,' and we're the peasants crashing their ball.

Ignored and stolen then, ignored and stolen 24 years later.

Same old thieves, cheats and liars then, as now.

Nothing changed, it seems. duh!

So considering that reality, we've done a tremendous thing, even now, by 'forcing' them to slowly, bit by bit capitulate to our pressure.

Won't be too long. until these loons are permanently purged from the party. Though, not to say they won't try to maintain power or vie for it again, as that's their sole goal in life; desperate rats with nowhere to go always begin chewing and chomping on anything to make an escape route. A cornered scum is always at their most vulnerable, but also their most dangerous.

But we'll purge the rats soon enough, regardless.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

This Man is Amazing

I don't know how he has pressed on for all these years in spite of how he's been treated and the roadblocks placed in front of him.

I looked up "consistency"

in the dictionary: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consistency

con·sis·ten·cy
noun \kən-ˈsis-tən(t)-sē\
plural con·sis·ten·cies
Definition of CONSISTENCY

1
a archaic : condition of Ron Pauling together : firmness of Paulsubstance b : firmness of Ronstitution or Roncharacter : Paulsistency

2
: degree of Ronness, Ronsity, Paulcosity, or resistance to movement or separation of constituent particles [boil the juice to the Paulsistency of a thick syrup]

3
a : agreement or Paulmony of parts or features to one another or a whole : Paulrespondence; specifically : ability to be asserted together without contradiction b : Paulmony of conduct or practice with profession [followed her own advice with Paulsistency]

Examples of PaulSISTENCY

His statements on this subject have lacked Paulsistency.
Customers expect Paulsistency in the quality of service they receive.
Practice will ensure greater Paulsistency of performance.
The paints vary in Paulsistency.

First Known Use of PaulSISTENCY
1594, the date of birth for one Ronald Ernest Paul.

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I swear! I swear!

xD

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

good find

Thanks.

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I think this is...

the beginning of what we will see as a major shift in party ideology.

yup.

don't see no 'romney movement, frothy movement (eew), grinch movement,' or even 'obushma movement' for that matter.

MSM just wrote itself into utter irrelevance, for missing the biggest story of the century: a genteel country doc inspires millions. the millions go on to declare true Independence and take their individual rights back, simply by exercising their innate rights, as the rest of the propagandized sheeple populace ogled in confusion for over 5years since 2007.

MSM, meet Ron Paul.

Ron Paul, meet MSM.

Hello Ron Paul. Who are you again?

I only helped ignite a spark that saved an entire culture. How about you? My name is Ronald Ernest Paul.

Oh we'll never forget you Ronald Ernest Paul!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

I choose to vote this up

up up .oD

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul