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Sorry, but Gary Johnson is NOT a Ron Paul! Have you ever seen ten thousand people at a Gary Johnson college rally! NO!

Don't get me wrong, I like Gary Johnson in a lot of ways, but sorry, he's just not a Ron Paul!

~Ever seen 10 thosand people at a Gary Johnson college rally! -->NO!

~Ever seen traffic slowed down to a snails pace due to a Gary Johnson sign wave? -->!NO

~Ever seen a Gary Johnson bumper sticker? -->NO!

~Ever seen a Gary Johnson yard sign? -->NO!

~Ever got up in the middle of the night to watch a Gary Johnson video -->NO!

~Ever googled Gary Johnson on your lunch break to get the latest Gary Johnson news! -->NO!

~Ever purposely walked through a crowded mall to show off your Gary Johnson tee shirt? -->NO!

~Ever seen a......"THE DAILY GARY" website? -->NO!

NUFF SAID! RON PAUL 2012!

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Ron Paul & Gary Johnson as Presidential Candidates

I can tell you what I have seen, Ron Paul on the ballot for President giving Americans a choice other than a Democrat or Republican in 1988. And I can tell you what we will see -- Gary Johnson on 50 state ballots giving Americans a choice for peace, prosperity and liberty again in 2012.

he's got my vote come nov

he's got my vote come nov

Not responding to any

Not responding to any philosophical differences between the two, etc., but every single obnoxiously-loaded egotistical-oriented question you asked would receive an strong NO for Ron Paul just six years ago as well. Just Saying...

"A true competitor wants their opponent at their best." Lao Tzu

One more.

Have you ever stayed up into the late hours of the night actively logged in on the "Daily Gary" site until your eye twitches from all the straining due to tired eyes?

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin

A more interesting question

A more interesting question is the following: who can better lead the movement after Ron leaves the scene: Rand, Gary, or NOTA?

NOTA

Justin Amash.

I really don't know much

I really don't know much about him. How is on foreign policy, specifically aid to Israel and warmongering against Iraq?

He resembles a moderate Republican more than a Libertarian.

Gary supports “humanitarian” wars, sending foreign aid to Israel, keeping the Federal Reserve, "Fair Tax", keeping GITMO open, etc. He is a no-go for me.

Yeah. You're right. Let's

Yeah. You're right. Let's just have Obama again. So much better than Johnson.

*rolleyes*

iv seen

much more anti gary johnson spam, like this orignal post, than pro gary spam.

All I read was the title.

and only a few comments.

I just want to say that indeed, GJ is no RP.

I don't like the way he comes across at all. No class.

Ron - on the other hand - is in a class by himself. A true statesman.

There is NO ONE like OUR guy.

He is magnificent. To compare is idiocy.

Ron Paul is My President

Gary Johnson and Ron Paul differences.

Ok folks. This seems to come up a lot so I feel inclined to inform. There are some major FUNDAMENTAL differences between these two. Are they better than Obama/Romney? Obviously yes. Gary's record as governor is a very good one... from a BUSINESS perspective. Listen to his own words, everything is a "cost benefit analysis". That's great for a business person and served him well in vetoing legislation in regards to spending. When it comes to protecting Constitutional rights however, there is no "cost benefit analysis" necessary. The answer is simply yes or no. I personally like both Ron and Gary so this is not to be taken as slighting either one. This is simply an objective observation to CLARIFY some of the differences for people that seem to be confused. Let's take the issue of the drug war. Most people think that Ron and Gary are identical on this. They are not. For proof all one need do is watch Gary Franchi's interview of Gary Johnson on "The Reality Report" to see some of these differences.

This is from March 25th 2011 (Gary was not officially running for President at that point). Just a warning, Gary Franchi does insert a lot of his own opinion in this interview as well as leading questions, but overall it's a good look into where Gary Johnson stands on some of the biggest issues. Here is a link http://blip.tv/realityreport/former-nm-gov-gary-johnson-on-t...

I will break down some of that interview for those that don't wish to watch the 35 minutes of it (although if your truly interested in the differences you really should).

I will quote answers and questions when applicable and time stamp them. This is meant to show verbage and provide a shortcut to researching this.

"unless the government brings in line spending with revenues received" 1:15

"There should be profit in healthcare" 10:30 --Ok this is splitting hairs a little bit, but his answer is obviously good. A difference can be shown here though as Ron speaks about the "Charity hospitals (and schools)" that used to exist and of which he used to work for. Again, this isn't a dig at Gary Johnson, just a distinction to be drawn.

"Cutting 43% of what government spends tomorrow, that number is approximately 1.6 Trillion dollars" 11:30 -- Ron calls for 1 Trillion cut in the first year, 5 agencies and a tangible blue print (literal budget presented) to do it. Gary calls for 1.6 Trillion "tomorrow" I'm not sure if he means literally the next day or futuristic but in any case there is not a literal budget presented by him yet.

"ah ah.. I would GO ALONG with ending the federal reserve, that would have to be an act of congress and hypothetically if I were president I would sign an end the fed bill. But we're not.. that's not gonna happen because we can't even audit the fed.." 12:45
-- This is perhaps one of the starkest contrasts. Gary as a businessman understands a lot of these terms but it appears that he does not have the same passion for ending the federal reserve that Ron Paul does. Considering Ron Paul wrote the book on this subject (literally) and sits on a committee that oversees the Fed (indirectly) he does have this issue cornered. This isn't to say Gary doesn't understand the financial implications of monetary policy, it's just that the passion for abolishing the fed is different.

"I think it's important to point out the federal reserve, of course is really a branch, an independent branch of government. But it is owned, the federal reserve is owned by U.S. Citizens..I mean we in essence own the federal reserve.." 14:57
-- This statement actually confused me. I'm pretty sure the Federal Reserve is a PRIVATELY OWNED BANK that contracts with the federal government for certain purposes including currency creation, price stability, and full employment (I'm going off memory here but I think that's pretty close). If we own the federal reserve I want to see my dividends check haha. Seriously though it's a private list of the wealthiest who are the shareholders and we all have some pretty good ideas of who they are. Again, Gary understands the monetary ramifications of their actions, but I think the insidious nature of their existence eludes him.

16:20-17:48 This entire section is about the United Nations. To say that these answers are disturbing is an understatement. You need to listen carefully to verbage and context. He's not against the the United Nations on principle, but rather various courses of action they take. The website AntiwWar.com wrote a bit about his interventionist foreign policy stances (yes that's right, non libertarian stances). Here is a link http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2012/04/12/gary-johnson-libertar...

16:15 I also take umbrage with Gary Franchi's wording of his question, "Now if you were in an executive position in government, at the federal level, uh and YOUR MILITARY WENT TO WORK (emphasis added) under United Nations orders what would you do?" Now there's a pause here and the answer should have been IMMEDIATE. Something along the lines of - well it's not "my military" and they "don't go to work they either fight a congressionally declared war or they stay here". The pause and then further explanation and softballing of the question with a leading statement is very disturbing. Gary's response to all this is, again reason for further scrutiny. He responds by using the term, "Our interests first and foremost" when referring to military "work". To some of you that may not seem like a big deal, but to most of you I am sure you understand how disconcerting that use of wording is. The neo-conservative mantra is using our armed forces for "U.S. interests". This, obviously is not the same as "U.S. Defense". I don't think I need to belabor this point.

"I support the woman's right to choose up until viability of the fetus" 19:40 -- Ok folks to be clear he's against late-term abortion (he said so in this video). He's against public funds used for such which is similiar to Ron's stance. The main difference is Gary is pro-choice federal level (it appears) and Ron is pro-life with States taking up the lead. If someone has further information on Gary Johnson's federal vs state stance on this feel free to let me know.

Defense and the middle east: "I think it's important to distinguish between foreign aid and military alliances, I think military alliances are VERY KEY (emphasis added, and that military alliances should be looked at from the standpoint of how do we cut our military budget by 43% and still MAINTAIN A WORLDWIDE ahh ahh.. A WORLD WIDE ahh ahh VIGILANCE AGAINST TERRORISM. Well we do that through military alliances. And when it comes to Israel I think that a military alliance with Israel is very important uh to what is happening in the middle east and that we will ALWAYS BE A MILITARY ALLY OF ISRAEL". 22:36-23:33 -- This is another clear distinction between Gary and Ron. (Personal note) This is also in keeping with what many of us find to be a troubling exception or divergence from the non-intervention foreign policy we have come to expect of those in/near our movement.

Border Issues/Immigration
23:30 "More money was coming in the door than was going out the door"
This is also another distinction. Ron hails from Texas which might be one of the reasons why this issue is different between the two, but there is also the issue of subjective vs objective ethics. Gary justifies his statement that border issues are not a problem by, again, using "cost benefit analysis". This is starting to become "ends justifies the means". Which is really the major defining difference between their two philosophies. Social Security card..

Drug War/ Marijuana This one is the MOST MISUNDERSTOOD!!

29:30 "Legalize marijuana. CONTROL IT, REGULATE IT, TAX IT.." There is is folks. Here is your "anti-drug war" candidate Gary Johnson. Control, regulation, taxation... these all sound like similiar terms used by the current bureaucracy. This folks is the most misunderstood part by people that support Gary Johnson. They somehow think that he is more anti-drug war than Ron Paul. Not only is that inaccurate, but the opposite is true.

9/11 Commission Coverup

The question is, "...Do you think that a real independent investigation of 9/11 is warranted."
Gary Johnson's answer, "I have the sense that the investigation was done and that it was uh, I have the sense that it was uh umm (pause look down) ohh... COMPLETE. I have, I have the sense that it was very COMPREHENSIVE, that's, that's my take. On, on the 9/11 Commission."
-- Well folks not much need be said here, another clear difference between the two. Here is a link to Ron Paul's response to the same question http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH9nOWnp5G0
Regardless of the issue at hand (9/11) this shows a major difference is the level of NAIVE trust in government officials and perhaps government in general.

At the end Franchi asks Johnson if he is the next Ron Paul to which Gary replies that he's flattered and humbly admits that there are many others not just those two. Gary sees himself as a part of the movement. From the business side of things he certainly does bring a wealth of perspective as to how to get the debt under control. When it comes to fundamental issues regarding foreign policy, torture, indefinite detention, habeus corpus, drug war, unborn life (pro life vs pro choice), federal reserve, and military interventions Gary and Ron have some major differences. Here is one final link that shows some more of this during a JUDGE NAPOLITANO interview http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=35123 .

This did take me a few hours to put together and I don't mind since I feel very strongly about people understanding where candidates actually stand. I have good friends that are close to both Ron and Gary and I myself personally like both. When it comes to the guardian of liberty and the constitutional rights we have come to expect, I want someone who has championed those causes simply because they were right. Gary did a good job governing his state from all that I have read and heard when it comes to the economy. At the federal level though we need a steward of liberty and I for one will continue supporting Ron Paul. Thank you for taking the time to read this and if you have questions or comments I will provide my direct cell number upon request to show I have nothing to hide. RP 2012!

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but the

I'm pretty sure Johnson is

I'm pretty sure Johnson is also a 10th amendment guy on abortion. He is personally pro-choice. But everything else you said is good, nice post.

Washington, DC NW

Very well said! You need to put this up as a post!

Very well said! You did put a lot of work into this comment. You need to put this up as a post for more people to see!

Loose Moose

He has also publicly stated

that he supports continued drone strikes around the globe and that he believes that no laws were broken in the 2005-2009 bubble building and collapsing years.

Gary Johnson and Our Hero

Gary Johnson is no Ron Paul. Who is?

Gary Johnson is a more-or-less "moderate" Republican who has discovered the idea of liberty, and has been politically moving "freedomward" for the past few years.

He is still far too comfortable with being an "efficiency expert" for the State, and far less willing (or able, as of now) to explore the more fundamental implications of liberty, private property and an America-first foreign policy. He has been, and is, perhaps even with Ron Paul's help, becoming MORE libertarian as time goes by.

This is decidedly NOT true of either Obama or Romney!

Let's help him (and the LP)continue to move in pro-freedom and pro-peace directions, and thus be in a postion to "hit the ground running" whether Ron Paul is the new President in 2013 (hopefully)or not!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is not to be attacked successfully, it is to be defended badly". F. Bastiat

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, finally they attack you, and then you win"! Mohandas Gandhi

This is So True!

The members of the LP have done the same to Ron Paul over time.

Yes, Ron Paul has changed his views (not principles) a bit over time.

His primary interest was and is economics and how that impacts our quality of life, but he has changed his views on the death penalty (government is too incompetent), and on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" (which I think he understood as "none of your business" but which was being applied in a very unfair and harmful way).

Most of us on the DP have changed our views as we started discussing the hidden ramifications and unintended consequences of different solutions. I believe our goals are the same: life, liberty, and property.

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candidate similarities

We all know Gary Johnson is not the same as Ron Paul, but they are very much alike. This is why Gary Johnson has sometimes been referred to as "Ron Paul Lite". The Republican convention has yet to happen and Ron Paul will surprise everyone with the strength he will show there. Until then, hard core Ron Paul supporters will stick with him. After the convention, there may be a metric shifting. Gary Johnson does not have the same turnout at rallys that Ron Paul has because most of the nation does not know who he is. That could change very quickly just as his meteoric rise did in the Libertarian Party. When Libertarians are faced with voting for either Romney, Obama or Johnson, the pick is obvious.

What does ANY of this have to

What does ANY of this have to do with how good of a person he is? Frankly his in-office accomplishments outweigh those of Paul, though certainly not his public accomplishments as you have demonstrated. Gary Johnson is still an excellent individual and it is foolish to hate on someone like him when there are people like Obomney and McCain on the loose.

My impression of him was at least neutral or better until people

started SPAMMING his A$$ all over the DP now I hate the MFer and bad mouth him at every opportunity.

Good job spammers.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

i've seen

much more anti gary johnson spam, like this orignal post, than pro gary spam. maybe you should hate ron paul, if you're judging people by their supporters, because it's his supporters who are posting both the pro and anti gary johson spam

As A Matter of Fact

I'm looking at a Gary Johnson bumper-sticker right now.

Of course, you could ask all the same questions about Romney and get most of the same answers, and if Obama weren't actually an incumbent president, I don't think he'd have crowds around him, either.

I'm not sure what your point is: we need Ron Paul on the ballot. If Gary Johnson is also on the ballot, we'd be 2/3 of the way to having three options, all of them better than what we have now. Wouldn't that be great?

I met Judge James Gray, again, Wednesday night, and he said that when he accepted the request from Gary to run as V.P. nominee, Gary told him that he was not required to only agree with Gary's positions--he should campaign on what he believes even if it's different.

This is a great attitude, because I don't agree with all Gary's positions, and I don't agree with all the Judge's positions, but I'm convinced that Gary is not paternistic, statist, or authoritarian in any of the ways that Romney or Obama are. He was also one of the most gracious winners when he won the nomination.

Please keep in mind that whether or not Ron Paul gets the nomination, you'll want Johnson in the debates, because he'll back almost all Ron Paul's positions and help make Obama look like a failure. To get Johnson into the debates, he needs to poll 15%.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

I would LOVE to see Johnson

I would LOVE to see Johnson in the debates! And I would LOVE to be debating between the kinds of things Johnson and Paul disagree on, rather than who gets our stolen money and what few things we're allowed to eat, say, and do.

LP JUST WANTS MONEY

If Gary Johnson and the LP were part of this movement stossel wouldnt be like the only libertarian to endorse paul, many down paul. they sit back, let him do the work and then hope to swipe up his voters after "hes out" in their eyes... if they get i think its 8% of the vote they receive like 50 million dollars as a party - screw them their just in this for the 50 million hoping pauls supporters push them to that 8%. they don't want to win.

Freedom.

Hah, Hah, Hah, Hah, Hah!

Saying the LP just wants money is like saying they just want power, and it reminds me of the funniest shortest joke ever:

Did you hear the one about the Hollywood starlet who slept with the writer?

1. Joke one: The question is the punchline: she's so (stupid, ignorant, ambitious) she slept with the writer.

2. Joke two: Writers have no power or clout whatsoever (except when they're also producers).

3. Joke three: This joke was written by a writer; I recall it being told at a Writers Guild Awards event. Think about it: Who got the girl?

Anyway, as I said when Bob Barr joined the LP, and I'll say again, nobody joins the LP for power, or money, or fame, unless they're really ignorant. Even Ron Paul who was made to feel welcome, and who, to this day, is supported financially and otherwise by many of us LP members, was discouraged by the uphill battle alternative parties face.

As has been said many times before: "the LP" is not a person, it is an organization that exists to elect Libertarians. The party officers cannot endorse anyone outside the party per the bylaws, and they did their best last time to invite Ron Paul to run for us again: the most they could do.

Stop trying to start a fight. We've been in this one longer than you have.

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Dude Gary Johnson did so much

Dude Gary Johnson did so much good as Gov. of New Mexico! LOOK at his record! There is NO REASON to be hating! It is every bit as stupid to say Johnson is corrupt as it is Paul. He has demonstrated in his career that he clearly does not bow to the overlords.

And, if you didn't pay attention, Johnson WAS a Republican... he even RAN as a Republican THIS YEAR. He was completely ignored, blacked out, and disenfranchised. I can't really blame him for going to a party that was all but handing him the nomination on a silver platter. He has a much better chance now than he did being barred from debates. He's a successful and beloved Governor, he's an excellent candidate, and I will vote for him if by some unlikely set of circumstances Ron Paul does not win the nomination.

I Hope You're Not Talking About Me

They, they, they...

Libertarians prefer to consider each of us as an individual, and not as members of a group.

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Unfair comparison

Everybody pales to Ron Paul. I mean, he's a rock star of a statesman who's had decades to grow his record and his reputation. That doesn't mean that everybody else is insignificant or worthless. I am glad that Gary Johnson is running, and I sincerely wish him the best, and if he does come to San Diego I'd be happy to go to his rally, too.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

Johnson has guts to go outside of one party tyranny

and do something new. Everyone in the gop is useless, or at just want limited ideological role, but no governance roles in support of Romney and his team in various campaigns.

jj

Compare Johnson 2012 to Ron Paul 1988, not to Ron Paul 2012

Ron Paul did not get such huge turnouts the first time he ran for president either.


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