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Lawyers Confirm All Delegates Are Unbound!

Lawyers Have Confirmed What We Knew The Whole Time! All Delegates Are Unbound!

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Im not so concerned about Binding Delegates

as i am with Hard Numbers. Its look like RP only has 100 some delegates while Mitt Romney is leading around 400 Delegates total. And now with Shadow Conventions it hits quite a nerve.

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Rombot

Not saying you are buddy, but your defeatist attitude reeks of a Rombama conformist. We win because we believe. Faith is believing, hope is contagious, Freedom is popular.

Ask not what your Paul can do for you, but what you can do for your country - Anon.

Then you do not understand how incredibly important this is

For one this completely frees all of those "bound" to Romney that are waking up to Paul or just cannot stand Romney. They can now vote their conscience without any conflict.

This is fantastic news and it means that we can win this on the 1st round if the Official Paul campaign gets all our delegates on the same page and teaches them how to approach the Romney,Santorum and Gingrich delegates and flip them to our side.

This is how we will win this!

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

Not to mention

anywhere from half to 2/3 of those Romney Delegates are Ron Paul supporters to begin with. And no they are not bound to Mittens. Why do you think the RNC is setting up a shadow party to run him with? The RINO's are getting ready to jump ship.

Next week there will be a big

Next week there will be a big change!

http://www.dailypaul.com/236178/attention-446-delegates-at-s...

To arms! To arms! The Redcoats are coming!

1. Vote Ron Paul...

2. State may try to enforce their rules

3. ...which is against the law as their rules intimidate and threaten those who vote

4. Anyone can vote for whomever their conscience inspires them to without legal action taken against them.

Did I get that right?

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Yes, You're The Ninja!

Fox News Makes You Stupid, Liberty Makes You A Smart Ninja.....Ha!

I am still worried.

If they can shut down the Nevada state convention like they did in 2008 why cannot the National Republican party shut down the national convention as well? Could that happen? and do they need to cast a first vote or can they call it before there is a vote by the majority of delegates in the room. by a yay or nay vote or a written vote?

Well, considering it's 2300

Well, considering it's 2300 people almost, I can't imagine it being a voice vote. Also, imagine the republican party shutting down the national convention, if they did that, it would make the party look ridiculously incompetent.

In the rules, I noticed RNC

In the rules, I noticed RNC rule 37e mentions shutting it down if they can't conduct the convention (for whatever reason). I'm assuming it's this type of ruling that the GOP is using to justify doing things like turning mics off, closing in walls, and turning lights off. They're justifying their actions by the misconduct (even if it's by people other than Paul's supporters) and then the media often blames it on Paul people but thankfully, there are a lot of people videotaping the proceedings. I would assume they could use this at the RNC. Even if the Paul delegates are completely respectful, delegates of other candidates could start a ruckus in order to disrupt the convention (not the Paul delegates) in order to shut it down. I wouldn't put anything past them at this point. I'm not sure exactly how they nominate their presidential and VP candidates if that happens. But if they force Romney on everyone, Paul supporters will abandon the GOP (not only them but anyone who witnesses how corrupt the party has become). The proof is out there for all to see and they can't hide the cheating anymore. People will leave in droves. And I really don't care anymore. And I'm not a youngster.

Some one, some where, said

that, according to a supreme court ruling, the election laws don't apply to the republican and democratic parties because they are considered PRIVATE clubs. I am not the authority on these matters, but the reading of that one law may not be enough to prove that binding is illegal.

I am Ron Paul.

I haven't seen the ruling.

I haven't seen the Supreme Court ruling. But the text of the law quoted in the YouTube video sure sounds like it applies to elections, including primaries, but not to the internal decision-making processes of the parties (except for selection among named delegate IN a primary, which it explicitly lists). It's about voter intimidation in recognized government-run elections, not the internal processes of private clubs. (Even private clubs that have standing to put names in their section of a government ballot.)

This is entirely reasonable, IMHO, because the Constitution is about, more than anything else, keeping the government's hands off people who are organizing to promote their own political preferences. That means parties, just as much as it means Paul's campaign and things like The Daily Paul community.

If I'm reading that right, if there is cheating in the party our only legal recourse (other than arguing within it by its own decision-making processes) is to go after it as we would any other private organization that breaks its contracts or where there is malfeasance by officers who attempt to steal the organization from the members. That means civil court.

Which is actually good: In civil court all you need is to convince a judge you have standing to bring suit, not to convince a (political officeholder) prosecutor to bring a case for you. And the burden of proof is "preponderance of evidence" (50+%, "more likely than not"), not "beyond a reasonable doubt".

= = = =
"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

How is it "private clubs" are

How is it "private clubs" are allowed to shut down same party competitors, silence dissenters and be allowed to control the political fortunes of the United States with hand-groomed butt kissers? Insanity!

Simple

If you don't like the rules, leave the club. If the other members don't like you, they can kick you out. The members make the rules.

That's why I'm a Libertarian, in part. I don't want to join a club that obviously would not want me as a member! ;) Good luck.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

this is posted as a commet under the video on youtube

Matlarson10 is not giving the full story. As much as I respect him for his honest work, there's more to it than what he or Ben Swann have covered. Yes, by law, delegates are not bound. What Mat doesn't cover, either because he doesn't know, or doesn't understand, is that because the GOP is a private organization, it's rules absolutely DO matter. I want nothing more than for the Liberty movement to win, which means FULL understanding. READ YOUR STATE BYLAWS!!!

TheTruthExpo 3 minutes ago 2

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It sounds like a parliamentarian writing this

I love Matt and Ben, but I trust what the parliamentarians say over them. They know the ins and outs of all the rules and study every state's bylaws. I would not go with Matt on this one.
If there were so many loopholes to get it to go our way, don't you think they would have been done before now?

This should send a tremble

This should send a tremble through the MSM, sadly they (MSM) put this mis-directing info up so long ago to crush hope and momentum for Dr. Paul as well as the "he has no chance of winning" routine!
This delegate news is epic!!!

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If Not Then They Can At Least Abstain The First Vote

If we cannot do this then we can at least abstain from the first vote. I found a couple examples of delegates abstaining from voting at the Republican National Convention.

The first example took place at the 1912 convention. I found it on page 9 of a PDF that I pulled from the Library of Congress website at http://www.loc.gov/rr/main/republican_conventions.pdf entitled "Republican National Political Conventions 1856-2008". It reads as follow:

"Taft won easily on the first ballot with 556 votes, although 348 delegates present at the convention abstained from voting in protest. Many of those who abstained joined Roosevelt in the new Progressive 'Bull Moose' Party."

The second example comes from a website entitled "The Green Papers" at http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/R.phtml, which shows that 20 delegates marked as "not voting".

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It is hard to abstain if they announce the voter for you

see this thread

http://www.dailypaul.com/235928/texas-delegation-to-the-nati...

No poll of the members of the delegation, except as provided below [the exception is for after the first ballot], shall be taken for the announcement of the vote."

and

but if exception is taken by any delegate from that state to the correctness of such announcement by the chairman of that delegation, the chairman of the convention shall direct the roll of members of such delegation to be called, and the result shall be recorded in accordance with the vote of the several delegates in such delegation.

I am Ron Paul.

If I'm reading you correctly that is covered by Rule 37(b)

http://www.dailypaul.com/235256/rnc-rule-37-section-b-or-how...

http://ivn.us/2012/05/16/a-first-ballot-rebellion-in-tampa/

Another RNC rule that seems to indicate the primacy of the individual delegate’s preference at the nominating convention is Rule 37, Section (b), which states:

“In the balloting, the vote of each state shall be announced by the chairman of such state’s delegation, or his or her designee; and in case the vote of any state shall be divided, the chairman shall announce the number of votes for each candidate, or for or against any proposition; but if exception is taken by any delegate from that state to the correctness of such announcement by the chairman of that delegation, the chairman of the convention shall direct the roll of members of such delegation to be called, and the result shall be recorded in accordance with the vote of the several delegates in such delegation.”

All delegates from every State that support Ron Paul must make sure that this rule is enforced to the letter.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

I hope so

but I am not sure. My concern is this statement: "if exception is taken...to the correctness of such announcement by the chairman..." So, who determines the "correctness of such announcement"? I did not see that earlier post about the rule. I hope he is right and it is a simple matter of enforcing the rule.

I am Ron Paul.

Can we steal any Romney delegates for Ron Paul?

Clearly Romney is probably the weakest candidate the GOP insiders could have ever chosen, that fact is not even debatable. If the Romney delegates come to the realization, that is becoming glaringly apparent even to the Fox neo-cons, that Romney can't win the general election, they will vote for RP. The rank and file delegates just want to back a winning candidate, we all know RP can win in the general election. So every RP delegate needs to politely and respectfully engage in conversation with the other delegates. Remember, its not the Republicans that we need to vote for us, its the independents and disenfranchised Democrats that we need to vote Republican and Romney in poll after poll just can't get those voters. Ron Paul can!

That is probably why Romney is getting people to sign a contract to support him, he knows things aren't looking good. The MSM has made their choice and its Obama, so the Romney delegates need to make their choice and its RP if they want to win the general election.

The neocons will Never vote for Ron....

He is a direct threat to the largess that they all enjoy earned off of the peoples backs.

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I have one word for you...predator drones. Oh, you think I'm kidding?" Obombya

I completely disagree.

The great majority of conservative voters is who we are dealing with; not the powerful neocons who make money from big government in whatever form it may take. They have been conditioned to think that:

1. We have to be aggressive in our dealings with the rest of the world to combat hostility to America around the world. They think that soft, bleeding heart liberals have unjustly given us a bad name by taking us so far from the roots of what made us the shining 'beacon on the hill' from Reagan's speech. Also, that weakness invites attack. I know. I used to feel that way, all the while not trusting those same leaders to manage the wars I thought we needed to just go in and win.
2. Our freedom rests in our economy and the socialist liberals are too wrapped up in fake compassion to allow us to be the hard working, productive, prosperous nation that our previously strong work ethic and business climate built for us.
3. The liberal culture of sexual permissiveness has weakened that work ethic by allowing all kinds of deviation from normal and judeo-christian societal systems that result in government dependency programs necessitated by the poverty that those changes bring about in any society. (ala European socialism and cultural norms)
4. The answer to all of this is to oust Obama and put in an upstanding, hardworking individual who shows personal prosperity to prove he knows what it can do for the rest of us if we will get back to our roots.

If we can show them that Ron is strong where he needs to be strong, in relation to our dealings with the rest of the world and with our economy, so as to get the government off our backs so we can all go back to making a living, they will be more ready to tolerate his views of not being able to legislate morality. As a matter of fact, if we can show how getting government money out of academia and private society will make America operate more the way it used to, many will be convinced that the cultural genie will slowly slide back into the bottle.
Just combat the lies that have been told about him and show how he can beat Obama and they will go for him easily.

Their extreme dislike of

Their extreme dislike of Obama would ensure they'd vote for Ron if he were the nominee.

Well if that's true

They will get Obama for another four years, because they can't win with out us.

Word is Obama may be out

and Romney in ;) time for a new puppet. Appears he is "damaged goods".

I am Ron Paul.

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Dr. Jerome Coursey Said As Much On "AJ " Show Thursday

There will be a lot more damaging info coming out soon, but Coursey needs to get the go ahead before he can release it...

Corsey and Sheriff "Joe" are in great danger. AJ made Coursey state on the air that he will not commit suicide..

jerome corsi

jerome corsi

I plan on bringing my Truth

I plan on bringing my Truth stick to Tampa and smacking some heads. Oops, is that not "respectful" enough?

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