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Disinformation from Lew Rockwell about Rand Paul

Disinformation from Lew Rockwell about Rand Paul

Rockwell claims Rand has endorsed Mitt Romney which is a bald faced lie. Rand has endorsed Ron Paul and I just got an email today saying so.

Rockwell writes: "Rand Endorses Rom"

http://www.lewrockwell.com/politicaltheatre/2012/05/rand-end...

As you can see on the video, Rand merely says something nice about Romney which does not amount to an official endorsement.

It's time for the movement to dump Lew Rockwell and his ilk, we have become too big for extremists who rant about Lincoln all day, want to bring back the Articles of Confederation, and hate George Washington.

The truth is that Rand wants to leverage power to force pro-liberty concessions from Romney.

Here is a more accurate news write-up:

"[Rand] Paul wants platform provisions that call for prohibiting indefinite detention, protecting internet freedom and limiting the power of the Federal Reserve. There are other items on his wish list, but those are priorities."

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/25/hmmm-romney-huddles-wi...

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What about....

"I'm HAPPY to endorse Mitt Romney" is confusing for you?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Lol

Lol

Good post.

I think I will go back to reading LRC for this. Rand Paul endorsed warmongers Ted Cruz and Connie Mack. He may as well endorse Romney.

The OP is wrong about Lew...

"It's time for the movement to dump Lew Rockwell and his ilk, we have become too big for extremists who rant about Lincoln all day, want to bring back the Articles of Confederation, and hate George Washington"

...I think it's funny that a Ron Paul supporter would call libertarians like Lew Rockwell "extremists."

There is nothing extreme in criticizing Lincoln for creating the first income tax, suspending habaeus corpus, jailing dissenting newspapers, instituting a draft, and so forth. Likewise, there is nothing extreme in criticizing the Constitution (it is not perfect), or in preferring the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution. As for Washington, well I'm not aware that Lew "hates" him, I'm sure he's criticized him for some un-libertarian actions he took while in office, but that should be encouraged, not attacked as "extreme." This movement is about an idea (liberty) not about venerating any particular person, whether Ron Paul or George Washington. When people betray the idea, they should be called on it, whether living politicians or historical figures.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Rockwell is right. Rand deeply loves Romney

and will only obey Romney. Just to be put up a false image to rp supporters, rand doesn't formally say i endorse romney, as of yet, but rand can't wait to continue sharing with the world his love for his annointed king.

good job - rockwell.

what rand has been doing for the last several months is worse than a formal endorsement. he has been helping romney by thrashing romney's rivals and saying how much he would love to be romney's vp, though romney would prefer to spit on rand than engage in anything other than deceitful interactions with romney. but rand thinks romney doing that to him is cool and he deserves such treatment and lack of respect.

jj

Yeah Rand is a disgrace man!

Yeah Rand is a disgrace man! How can he be Ron Paul's son? Didn't he learn anything from him? When he voted for Iran sanctions, I was done with him! He doesn't follow the constitution people! Stop down voting people for telling the truth about this guy.

juan maldonado

Bye bye...

This (wishful thinking) is starting to take shape people. This stuff about Rand, secret meetings, etc. suddenly makes sense. Softball now, hardball later. Bye bye Mitch McConnell. Your worthlessness is done. Rand I strongly believe as a result will be stepping into a role that will prime him for party leader. Do you see this people? Do you really see this? Mitt knows not only can he not win the election without us, but also IF (and thats a big if) he does get elected he will never be a successful president if his own house fights him at every pass. Ergo, begin now talking about the platform and see how you fit it with your own. IF you can't then prepare for a floor fight that will wreck the modern day Republican party. I mean, how embarrasing will that be? To have the WORST president in the history of America, and not be able to oust him because your own party sucks eggs so much. Beautiful irony!

That's what I see from all of this. I still think a floor fight is inevitable, and I pray that we can have an honerable president once in my lifetime - i won't vote for Mitt but, I will be keeping one eye on him and the other on google maps. :)

Romney is establishmetn like obama, so neither need Paul

to win at all. Neither care about Paul. They just want to co-opt their supporters into their wing so they are less trouble, and that has already been done.

rand is a nobody, just takes orders from his love and boss, romney and gop leaders like bush and cheney.

jj

What rubbish...

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"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Liberty

I happen to believe this nomination process is just getting started, and Ron Paul's campaign for liberty is positioned well. The liberty movement is incredibly motivated and passionate.

I don't appreciate distraction and derision, no matter the source. The source does sometimes inflict a sting because of trust or influence. People in positions to move the party often say and do things I don't see as beneficial.

Rand Paul praising Romney or Stefan Molyneux laughing like a hyena at the liberty movement ~ I will be free of this boot on my neck.

MIB ~ Jeebs: "You insensitive pricks! Do you have any idea how much that stings?"

Ron Paul: "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads."

Do you like Lincoln?

It's time for the movement to dump Lew Rockwell and his ilk, we have become too big for extremists who rant about Lincoln all day...

Lincoln said:

I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races; that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.

And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.

http://www.nps.gov/liho/historyculture/debate4.htm

No, I don't like Lincoln, nor

No, I don't like Lincoln, nor do I wish to spend my days ranting about him.

Thomas Jefferson 1796, 1800, 1804; James Madison 1808, 1812; Ron Paul 1988, 2008, 2012; Rand Paul 2016.

ranting

So why spend your day ranting about Lew?

I've been here 4 1/2 years,

I've been here 4 1/2 years, not sure what evidence you are drawing generalities from.

Thomas Jefferson 1796, 1800, 1804; James Madison 1808, 1812; Ron Paul 1988, 2008, 2012; Rand Paul 2016.

Seriously?

This is nothing more than grand ma gossip. Grow up...

1000000:1 says either Lew or Rand have done more to preserve the cause of liberty than 99.5% of the people that commented on this thread

DISINFORMATION FROM DAILY PAUL

Lew did not SAY A WORD. :p

Notice it is just a youtube. No text at all. And here's the final secret to figure out the "mystery".

It Is in Lews' ----> "Political Theater"

The video is being highlighted as a media CIRCUS event. Lew is ridiculing the video and rolling his eyes at it. Not attacking Rand.

Lew and Rand get along just fine. Did you stop by LRC.com FIRST to check out the piles of pro-Rand materials?

Again, "Lew Rockwell's Political Theater" is used to highlight media circuses.

THIS POST HERE ON DAILY PAUL IS DISINFO whether intended or not.

If we don't learn to think before speaking (or attacking) then we end up looking like a bunch of reactionary piranha...

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Yes, Rand did say nice things

Yes, Rand did say nice things about Romney, but the statement was more than "merely" saying nice things.

The exact quote by Rand at issue from the interview is "I think governor Romney would be precisely the person I would want to turn around a failing business like our government"

Now Rand may not have intended an endorsement, but objectively that statement qualifies as an endorsement. It is reasonable and not illogical for Lew to refer to the statement as an endorsement.

Regardless, if Lew changed his wording and instead used the exact words of Rand in his caption - Rand Says Governor Romney is Precisely the Person to Turn Around Our Government - it changes nothing substantively concerning the issue of Rand's statement.

Substantively, Romney is precisely NOT the person to turn around our government.
Rather, President Ron Paul is precisely the person to turn around our government.

Let it not be said that we did nothing.-Ron Paul
Stand up for what you believe in, even if you stand alone.-Sophia Magdalena Scholl

Stop protecting Romney.

Romney deserves to be slammed, yet Rand would rather break both of his legs before uttering anything less than lavish praise on his master. hence, romney is also your master.

you did not provide any arguments, 'merely' saying nice things about a fed/war lover is psychotic and means you are one of them, or in rand's case, he worships romney. kissing romney's feet is a demeaning thing, and you enjoy being demeaned as long as you don't have to admit you enjoy taking abuse for the sake of establishment.

jj

Thx for the reply Lib, but read more carefully

Thx for the reply Lib, but your comment does not rationally apply to my comment above which was a refutation of the original post and defense of Lew. Namely that Lew's caption "Rand endorses Rom" was not disinformation as the OP asserts, but rather an objectively rational assessment of what Rand said. Reread the comment again and this time read past the first line.

As I pointed out, objectively Lew's categorization in his caption of Rand's statement as an endorsement is a rational assessment and not disinformation. I also pointed out in the comment Rand is completely wrong in his statement that Governor Romney is precisely the person to turn around our government. Romney is precisely not the person to do so.

Please read more carfefull and more thoroughly.

I also agree that Rand's statement deserves to be rebuked and questioned, and as I pointed out was more than "merely saying nice things," however your assertion of godlike power to know what Rand thinks and desires and classifying his "endorsement" comment as worship is hyperbole exaggerated to the point of irrational idiocy. It lacks logic and argument. Lastly the ad hoc attacks (albeit erroneous because you failed to accurately read the comment) of "psychotic" "you are one of them" "you enjoy being demeaned ..." is not argument but childish emotional ranting and serves no purpose. Not only is it immature and irrational but it has nothing whatsoever to do with the issues of my comment which that Lew's caption is a reasonable characteration and not "disinformation" as alleged in O.P., and secondly that Rand's comment that Romney is precisely the person to turn around this government is precisely wrong.

Let it not be said that we did nothing.-Ron Paul
Stand up for what you believe in, even if you stand alone.-Sophia Magdalena Scholl

ok.

cool, thanks.

jj

Funny how Galileo

says that Lew spreads disinfo about Rand. Then makes the claim that Lew rants about Lincoln all day. That isn't disinfo? There is no more to Lew Rockwell and his "ilk" than ranting about Lincoln all day and hating George Washington? Oh and wanting the articles of confederation back? Yep, that sums everything up. Obviously Galileo hasn't taken the time to do much research, preferring to pigeonhole Lew into the "extremist" category. Extremist is a word that fearmongers the world over like to use when they can't defend their position. It is the word used to describe ardent abolitionists like Lysander Spooner, an extremist position in the 1800's. It is the be all end all non-argument, argument. Just like the video posted below about nullification points out.

Sorry Galileo. Maybe you should go back to Faux News and Bill-O. They aren't "extremists" but rather the conservative establishment. You seem more comfortable with that position. Don't be extreme and stay on a place like the Daily Paul where we question our wise overlords and even Rand Paul can be questioned. It doesn't hurt anything when Rand is questioned. He may do well to follow his fathers example and tackle questions of his actions head on.

Lew Rockwell is obviously a close friend of Ron Paul's.

I have been reading Lew's site since the late 90's. Any cursory attempt at reading will reveal to anyone that Lew has always been by Ron's side for the last 40 years or so. To suggest that Dr. Paul dump Lew is to try to pick someone's friends for him. Lew Rockwell tends towards the anarchy side of the internal spread of minarchists/anarchists among libertarians. His writing is often dripping with sarcasm and other forms of verbal acid. So what? He's also one of the people who has done the most for this movement since before many of those here were even born.

I agree that the headline for the Rand video was sensationalised, and not entirely accurate. Maybe Lew is understandably a little sensitive about Rand's hedging strategy. Fine, disagree with him on that point, then. But don't go off trying to disown him over it. We never owned him in the first place!

Saint Paul dumped James.

Saint Paul dumped James. Things can happen in movements. Even Einstein was left behind in the new physics revolution.

Thomas Jefferson 1796, 1800, 1804; James Madison 1808, 1812; Ron Paul 1988, 2008, 2012; Rand Paul 2016.

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Go Play with Fazsha and you

Four Year TROLLS!

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

I check Lewrockwell.com everyday, that will not stop.

Lew Rockwell has come to the conclusion that government force is inherently evil and so he does not want anything to do with it.

Can you throw his moral justification for not wanting to participate in evil away and discredit it? On what grounds?

I have come to slightly different conclusions then Lew has.(If I do have his position understood correctly) Yet they are not very far away from each other and I for one will certainly respect Lew for taking a stand which could very well be just.

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I will take Lew Rockwell any day over Rand Paul

Rand Paul's comments, while he didn't say the word "endorsement", certainly bore all the hallmarks of an endorsement. Lew Rockwell represents my views on libertarianism as well or better than Ron Paul, and I'll be damned if I will "dump" Lew Rockwell. I want Rand Paul to succeed, but he is wrong if he thinks all we need in the WH is a businessman who knows how to run a business. I don't think even he believes that, but in his eagerness to defend the relative merits (and the key word is relative), Rand overstates Romney's qualifications.

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Another Four year

Troll!

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

Wow, Galileo

Let me make a couple of assumptions.

1. You were a former Fox watching neo-con
2. You supported all candidates who were republican party-line because "that's what good voters do."

Guess what...you still haven't learned one of Dr. Paul's most important lessons...individual, critical thought.

You'll defend Rand to the point of looking extremely ignorant just because you've forgotten to think for yourself and drop the positive bias you have for him because he is our hero's son.

Let me make a couple of

Let me make a couple of assumptions.

1. you still think Abe Lincoln is running for president.
2. you think using political strategy is evil.

Thomas Jefferson 1796, 1800, 1804; James Madison 1808, 1812; Ron Paul 1988, 2008, 2012; Rand Paul 2016.

Political strategy can be

Political strategy can be evil.

The difference between you and Lew is number 2

And I would quite this lincoln argument, you are starting to sound like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrcM5exDxcc

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