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Team Nevada just fubar'd Rmoney

I’d like to make a few observations concerning the whole Nevada GOP mess going on right now. And I've got something to tell you that I am pretty sure most of you are yet aware of. As a little back story, in 2008 the Ron Paul supporters made themselves known to the state party. As we seeing now in many other states, during the last campaign many Ron Paul supporters vied for delegate slots and working positions within the Nevada GOP. Also as we are again seeing this time around in other states, the leadership of the state convention broke rules, ended the convention improperly, and tried to shut out any participation from people that support Dr. Paul. Being well educated on the rules, the RP peeps reconvened and finished the party business which included electing delegates to go to the RNC. Sadly, the national party lied at the RNC and said the dispute had been resolved and did not seat any of the Paul supporting delegates. It was also found in a court case that the Ron Paul people did act appropriately, followed all rules, and should have been the rightful seated delegates and positions. Of course, that was way after the RNC and changed absolutely nothing in the results of the 2008 election. Quick court cases and decisions only come for insiders.

Between 2008 and now the freedom-minded people did not leave the Nevada GOP. Instead, they became more involved, more participatory, and grew in numbers. As most of you reading this are aware, the results of all this hard work and organization have resulted in not only a near sweep of all delegates to the 2012 RNC, but also state party main leadership positions. Chairwoman Amy Tarkanian stepped down soon after the February 4th beauty contest. Good job Nevada peeps, we sincerely appreciate your perseverance.

You’d think that would be the happy ending of this story, but it seems another couple chapters are still in the making. Recently, five prominent people in positions of leadership for the Clark County GOP have tendered their resignations. Clark County is of major importance to the state party since it has the highest population and home of the city of Las Vegas. The now former chairman Dave Gibbs and vice chairman Stroupe have both announced that they will be joining “Team Nevada”. Both Gibbs and Stroupe through letters claimed their reasons for resigning were due to “distractions” that were getting in the way of their goal of getting Republicans elected. Really? Having more people join the ranks of your party and insisting that it actually follow the principles of limited government and fiscal sanity are distractions? Well, I for one see that excuse as completely illogical and then conclude that the real issue is that they do not wish to deal with people that refuse to blindly appeal to authority.

Bob List, a national committeeman, former Nevada Governor from 1979-1982, currently chairman of the Nevada’s republican party budget committee and sits on the national party’s executive committee, was voted out of his national committeeman position during the state convention. He did an interview in which he admits it was all done by the rules and ‘fair and square’. He even went so far as to add that it was not a surprise to him since the Ron Paul people had grown in numbers, saying that ‘the writing was on the wall’. He described this ‘swarm of killer bees’ as going by principles and not falling in line behind a single candidate in which they’ve been told to support. Oh the humanity. Bob List will also be joining Team Nevada and said during the interview that the Romney campaign is involved in the formation of the group and his nomination will be their main focus of activity. In that interview and through public statements from the GOP we’ve learned that they are basically going to cut off the real Nevada GOP of funds and funnel their monies through Team Nevada.

Team Nevada is being referred to as the ‘shadow party’ being formed in the state. It is well known that it is being formed and funded by both the National Republican Party and the Romney for President campaign. This clearly already violates rule 11(a) of the National Republican Rules as Bob List clearly exposed its purpose during the above discussed interview.

Now even though the term ‘shadow party’ is popular, let us step back and call it what it REALLY is …. a third party. The real and established state Republican Party, which has submitted its rules to the Secretary of State for recognition of its candidates on the public ballots, is still intact and is being run and represented by the people that were duly elected adhering to the preset rules. The people that used to be members of the real Nevada GOP have resigned and are now forming a new party simply because they are …. ahem: butthurt that the people that no longer just do as they are told and actually have principles showed them the door. Team Nevada isn’t simply a group or movement based on ideals such as Tea Party or Campaign for Liberty - they have a stated goal of getting Mitt Romney elected outside of the current state republican party. No matter what name they are giving it, that, my dears, is a third party and Rmoney (not a typo) is their third party candidate. As said before, even Rmoney’s official campaign has even colluded to bring about this third party.

Ready for a little twist to this chapter? Well, a lot of people will tell you this or that and even the GOP has tried to threaten state parties by telling them what is or is not part of the Republican National Party rules. I’ve actually read them, and you can too. http://www.gop.com/images/legal/2008_RULES_Adopted.pdf They’re boring, but they are online for all of us to see. Now take a little trip with me down the long list of rules for this party and scroll all the way down to rule 11 again. We’ve all had discussions about section (a) in which state parties cannot spend money on/with a candidate until they are the nominee. Rmoney is not the Nevada nominee - as evidenced by the state party convention - yet they are breaking that rule. But, more interesting and not talked about at all in the lamestream is section (b). Rule 11 (b) in summary says that anyone that does anything at all towards getting the nomination of a third party is now disqualified. I’ve talked about this numerous times on our show Presidential Paulitics. This rule is the very reason that the lamestream press pushed so hard on asking Ron Paul about his third party possibilities in the future only about four hundred times. If at any time the good doctor would have even hinted at entertaining the idea, the way the national party rules are written he could be disqualified from receiving the nomination at the coming RNC no matter how many delegates he had amassed. The rule even states through use of a multiparty or similar type ballot.

The formation, stated goals, and the very fact that the official Rmoney campaign is coordinating with Team Nevada is a complete and total breaking of Republican National Party rule 11(b). This presidential candidate is seeking the nomination from Nevada for President of the United States within a third party that is clearly NOT the official state Republican Party. Here’s the kicker…. The punishment for breaking this rule is clearly written in the text of the rule so you won’t have to search elsewhere. Mitt Romney “shall not be recognized by the Republican National Committee as the nominee of the Republican Party from that state”.

The ending to this chapter is still to be written as we will be watching to see if any other states mess up doing the same exact thing. I’d love it.

TL;DR: Team Nevada and the Rmoney campaign just boned hard and got Mittens disqualified from getting anything from Nevada at the RNC. I’m sure glad these dipshits aren’t running things there anymore.

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Their worst nightmare

Start packing Team Nevada meetings w/ RP folks!!!! Take over it too!
Repeat above steps every time they form a new Shadow party until they give up or go back to the dem party!
:)

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. - Matthew 10:16

It seems the Nevada GOP should file something against the

individuals participating in Team Nevada. Team Nevada is not "authorized" by the State GOP.

Organizations have committees, leaders, chairpeople, and STRUCTURE.

The STATE GOP did not vote this body into existence so it cannot legally exist as part of the STATE GOP. (That's my layperson's view)

I looked online at the Nevada department of corporations for Team Nevada and there is nothing listed as a corporation under this name.

So this is a bunch of disgruntled people, volunteering for no salary handling no money assuming all the money goes straight to RNC. Seems like RNC is chopping off the head of the true Nevada Republican Party and playing with the phony one.

Remember Prepis$ is a lawyer too so he knows what to do.

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

Wouldn't that mean that

Wouldn't that mean that certain people within the upper echelons of RNC have gone rogue, acting against the actual goals, purpose, and rules of the RNC?
And if that is so, then, they are using their positions to subvert and steal from the RNC, the RNC members, and the voters, as well as Ron Paul and the campaign et al?

That is a conspiracy to defraud, electioneering, and a list of criminal acts against the party, Ron Paul, and the nation.

Truly, this is huge. Much like Romney admitting in debate that he knew nothing about the Constitution, it is likely that Romney never learned rules nor followed them. He could always buy and bully his way to what he wanted. And that is what he is trying to do now. It shows a lack of conscience and ethics, a disregard for how his actions affect others ( remember the dog on the roof ).

RON PAUL 2012 * Restore America * Bring The Troops Home
http://www.texasuncensored.blogspot.com

Very good post, as well!

Nevada patriots: BE SURE TO LEAN ON THE LIBERTY-LOVING CURRENT NV GOP to announce that they DO NOT support/condone TEAM NEVADA, and make sure they don't stall. Get it done now, and make sure they get it out as a press release to all major outlets in NV and to all the national networks, and large daily papers, etc.

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

Denise B's picture

Here's an idea

Why don't we do the exact same thing in the states where Ron Paul did not get a majority of delegates at the state convention (VT, etc.) and we can call it Team Vermont (or whatever state name is applicable) and then install our own group of delegates for the National Convention for that state and whatever argument they use against us to try to stop us, well then we'll just turn around and use that same against them in Nevada or whereever else they do it. They can't have it both ways - if it's good for them than it is good for us.

BRILLIANT!

Spot on! Let's do it!!

Fortunately, we here in Maine ARE the GOP now..though the RINOs are all threatening to run away and take all of Olympia's money (which has funded the ME GOP for decades) with them...

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

Disqualify Rmoney in the court of public opinion

legal challenges are great but take a long time. I would just get some editorials and get full page ads out all over Nevada and destroy this insanity that way. More like needs to be shown on this "shadow party" insanity and the consequences. Once you get popular opinion on your side legal challenges become much easier.

This is not about Nevada

It is the principle coast to coast.

What you say about public opinion is spot on.
But the media blackout is still on.

So we need to think about what cracks in the media there might be.
Cracks that the independent voters might see.

The more that Romney sinks in the polls against Obama before Tampa.
The easier our job will be.

How do we reach out to the Independent voters to describe how bad and how corrupt Romney is?
It is obvious to you and me, but the media do not report it.
The media will not report it easily.

Suggestions welcome.
Obama wants Romney as the Republican nominee. He knows he will easily beat him.
He will not show his hand before Tampa.
How do we get the facts out that Romney would totally wreck the USA, is deeply corrupt, is amoral and could not even stand the pressure of being POTUS?

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

Extracted from the header

Rule 11 (b) in summary says that anyone that does anything at all towards getting the nomination of a third party is now disqualified.

The formation, stated goals, and the very fact that the official Rmoney campaign is coordinating with Team Nevada is a complete and total breaking of Republican National Party rule 11(b). This presidential candidate is seeking the nomination from Nevada for President of the United States within a third party that is clearly NOT the official state Republican Party. Here’s the kicker…. The punishment for breaking this rule is clearly written in the text of the rule so you won’t have to search elsewhere.

Mitt Romney “shall not be recognized by the Republican National Committee as the nominee of the Republican Party from that state”.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

Possibly Team Nevada is not a third party.

Because it is still Republican , a sub Republican entity, as the Log Cabin Republicans, it is possibly a joint party. In other words, in 2008, the Ron Paul campaign could have done this , but they trusted the then corrupt Nevada GOP party and the RNC, and as you said the Ron Paul delegates were not seated. Since it probably is a joint GOP party , it would not be considered a third party. The Romney campaign is also not using GOP in their "Team Nevada" party , so as to mislead the Ron Paul campaign into thinking it is a third party. But since the chairman of the RNC, Mr Priebus, is the one who approved of Team Nevada, I would have to say, it probably is not a third party and did not break rule 11. So possibly the delegates for both Nevada GOP parties will be seated at the NRC.

key words

is clearly not the official state GOP. These folks resigned from their official GOP positions to join this group which is clearly not the official state GOP. The RINO's behind Romney are going to make a third party run with him. Watch they will keep setting these things up then move as much money as they can get away with out of the GOP and into these groups and at the last minute file as a separate party. They will do this because there's no way they can win at the convention on national TV. So the rich kids will just take their ball with them.

Like Doug Llewelyn said

I want to make one thing clear to the Ron Paul people. If you hold moneybombs for legal challenges to the GOP, I will fully support the effort and contribute. Better this than wishy-washy efforts from a well-behaved/domesticated Jesse Benton and Doug Wead.

I've Been Saying This Myself

Thanks for clarifying and putting it into concise summation.
It's material for a noteworthy "motion" before a court.
ALSO; NOTE to BOB SHIEFER/Sunday "News" Programming:

ASK ROMNEY THIS:
"So Gov. Romney, do you now intend to run 3rd Party?"

It's high time that the tables were turned, that Romney would have to answer the same question perpetually asked of Dr Paul!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

NO...I would start the sentence with.."so...now that you are a

third party candidate in Nevada, ...."

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

Bob Shiefferbrains

Bob Shiefferbrains

Well if those cases were tried in 2008 they set a president

That can be used in any actions necessary making it much easier for them to be upheld. Also much harder for them to argue against.

precedent

.

Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow

Team Nevada is nothing more than an illegal crime syndicate, a..

self organizing group of individuals with the sole purpose of promoting the under worldly and diabolic Rmoney, the Shadow Party presidential candidate..

This could possibly affect several states.

Considering it is likely that the Romney and theNational RNC are setting up shadow parties in Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, Alaska, et al. Romney could possibly be disqualified from being on the Republican ballot in several states.

Of course Alaska could be the only typical Red state he would be disqualified in but combined with Nevada, a swing state, he would almost be assured of a loss.

On top of that he would likely be forced to run as a write-in candidate. How many will write-in the 'presumptive nominee' who disqualified himself as being eligible for the Republican nomination?

and in

Ohio

won't happen if we do not file briefs on these activities and

take action....gotta start now...not just thinking about it...gotta get the wheels rolling right now.....if we sit on our hands until the convention that just condones it ad lets them get ahead in fundraising.

Our people have to file at the state level right now whether if it violates whatever laws in each state and then we have to file with the RNC....

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

RMONEY not "romney"

or "R$" for short. I find it quite ironic that the lobbying bank cartels that funded obama into office to get themselves a bailout using our tax dollars now use those said tax dollars to fund rMoney into office, or into the boxing ring for a match between 2 men they both win either way with. essentially we the tax payer are funding this political campaign welfare system that gets us shitty ass puppet candidates that belong to mobsters and blackout all other candidates. theyve bought 2012 in the same way they bought 2008. except this time they really are in a more powerful position than last. gotta LOVE how government spends R $$$ just to make us spend more!

"political campaign welfare system"

Amen!!!

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. - Matthew 10:16

I have recently come to the conclusion that

it has been this way for a long time...

;-/

Sounds Great, but...

According to Rule 11b, Rmoney/Robme/Rat-bastard can still appear on the Nevada ballots in both the Primary and General elections as a Republican...

The only penalty is that the RNC won't recognize Rmoney/Robme/Rat-bastard as "the nominee of the Republican Party from that state."

Who cares who "the nominee of the Republican Party from" any state? We're all about the delegates, remember?

Unless this will specifically mean that Rmoney's DELEGATES won't be recognized at all, (which it does not sound like to me) then all this penalty means is that Nevada's delegates are unbound to Nevada's primary winner...

And as we all know, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BOUND DELEGATES.

HONEST RON 2012!
LEGALIZE LIBERTY!

That List Guy Is An Excellent Example Of What's Wrong,,,

In America today !

Corrupt to the bone !

beesting

I've read some of the

I've read some of the comments and I think it should be said that "Team Nevada" isn't a party, it's just an organization that the RNC and the Romney campaign are using to 1) Elect Romney, and 2) Elect non-liberty Republicans. It's like our Campaign for Liberty. Nothing has disqualified Romney for anything. He is still a Republican.

https://twitter.com/#!/cevans93

Typically you might expect to

Typically you might expect to see a state committee created for the purpose of spending federally matching funds but it is sanctioned and run by the state GOP. 'Team Nevada' doesn't fit that pattern in the least. The national RNC and even Romney's own campaign has intimated as much. They are operating outside the blessing of the state GOP and essentially embezzling monies that should be going to the state GOP.

The state GOP of Nevada should raise a big stink about this because this is wholly outside of norm and is appears to be nothing short of an attempt to isolate the legitimate state GOP, to form a new organization.

They are clearly going

They are clearly going outside of the State GOP. I'm sure the National RNC will try to put pressure of them, but the State GOP could tell the election board that that campaign is being run outside of the State GOP. If they do that there is no other way to describe it than as a third party run campaign.

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also 3)nulify the legitimate Republican Party

4)steer funds to themselves to render the legitimate Party impotent. You make a good point. I guess this is an issue for lawyers to decide.

If you see something, say something, the government is listening.
Silence isn't golden, it's yellow.