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Do you think America is a corporation, should it have a CEO?

I was recently wasting my time reading Mitt Romney's Facebook page to see what his supporters think of him. First of all, its overwhelming the amount of apathy and dislike for Romney on his own page. Ron Paul and Obama don't have this problem (at least on the level of Romney's page).

Anyway, it seems most of his supporters like him because "he is a businessman" and has "plans" to save the economy. This is complete bull as Romney hasn't come up with one single plan, only spouting off that "Obama isn't working" and "I have common sense plans to get America back to work".

One disturbing common theme his supporters share is the idea that America is a corporation, and needs a CEO to run it. Here is a post from one of his supporters.

"Consider,the United States of America is a large international corporation, and every taxpaying citizen is an investor,(stockholder if you prefer), Wouldn't you rather choose a man with Mitt Romney's business experience over a neighborhood planner, to run your business?"

In which I responded..
"America isn't a corporation! A corporation's main goal is to increase net profit! The government's main priority SHOULD be to represent PEOPLE. This is our problem, the government is supposed to represent the will of the people, not corporations. Corporations use their lobbying power in Washington to benefit THEM, and not you."

So fellow fans of Liberty, what do you think? Do you think America should be treated like a corporation? Upvote if you agree that America is about PEOPLE and not business.

Edit: I changed the title as to promote healthy debate on this topic. From the comments already posted, it seems that there was more to this issue than I thought. If you have anything to add to the discussion, feel free. Even if America could be considered a corporation, should it be? Should America really try to have a CEO like Romney, or do you think a president should be more than that?




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I suppose we're assets too huh...

I don't care what narrative they try to push.. I am not what they want me to be and I never will be.

Nor will I propagate their narrative for them.. Whether it's "Shadow Party", Presumptive nominee or America is a corporation...

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Born in bondage with a

Born in bondage with a government yoke till death.The same scheme as it was in the past.The people still cry for a king,dictator,democracy,CEO...etc.It is all one in the same,a misguided worship.

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I will do what I want and ignore the unconstitutionality in laws. If they tell me my gun is illegal, they'll have to come and get it. If they tell me the food I eat or drink is illegal, I'll get it anyway.

If I have to be labeled an outlaw to live free, I will be gladly. If I'm incarcerated for doing so, I'll serve knowing I am right and when they let me out, they'll have to come find me.

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The United States IS a Federal Corporation

See for yourself: 28 USC § 3002 (15)(A) http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/3002

It really is... LEGALLY!

Sure,

Sure, but do you think it should be? Do you think it is just a corporation, or something more? Curious to see what you think.

edit.. actually looking at the link you posted, the document doesn't say that the United States is a federal corporation. It says that within the document the term "United States" could refer to a federal corporation belonging to the United States. At least that's how I read it. If you look at the others, they refer to things belonging to the United States
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.

If a businessman runs the government:

A businessman especially one like Romney is only interested in the bottom line. It is all about spreadsheets and statistics. It is pragmatism writ large. It is utilitarianism on steroids especially given the present swollen powers of the Presidency. There is no longer any Advise and Consent just Do as I say.

This is not about the rule of law it is about asking the lawyers to find a way to do what Romney wants to do.

The business of USA Inc has one source of income...taxes. The aim of the successful businessman is to raise revenues and cut costs. The costs of USA Inc. are mainly War and Entitlements. Romney has said he will increase the War budget so that means he will cut Entitlements like Medicare and Medicaid.

He will raise taxes but he will not call them taxes. The Federal government offers many for fee services. Expect all of the fees to increase while the services are cut to the bone. When he was Governor of Massachusetts he apparently did exactly this. He also destroyed all the electronic records of his Governorship so what he has to hide we do not know.

It has also been reported that he cut wages to the bone in all the companies he bought with borrowed money. He also used Government grants to cover his capital costs. So under Romney we shall see a Presidency that has no concern for the People and will almost certainly run the country into the ground because a country is not a business and cannot be run like a business. This thinking is why the world is in such a mess.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Ribbit

While perhaps a bad analogy, given that the topic was the economy and jobs, I think the Romney supporter was only doing that: trying to make an analogy, i.e., President: America: citizens = CEO: Corporation: shareholders = any leader: the entity: its members. The point was, IF America was this big global corporation, wouldn't you prefer someone with international experience vs. (Obama) someone who'd only had a job in the local neighborhood. When Ron Paul made that great analogy about a frog dropped into hot water jumping out, but a frog put into cold water then heated up gradually would stay there and end up dying, when he told us we'd better jump out of the pot before it was too late, he wasn't saying that America was actually a pot, nor us frogs. There apparently is some debate about America's legal status (having a bearing on enforcement of laws), but I really don't think the Romney supporter was thinking of that. Well, that's how I took the statement.

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Those I speak too, who hold

Those I speak too, who hold this view, just think it sounds like a good idea, they are unaware and have not done the research to even know about USA, INC, those people that have, well, are all...here...

Need I say more?

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Guess I couldn't

get all crazy over this issue because... I already did that a couple weeks ago. (Actually, I first heard about it a few years ago, but I more or less didn't believe it, hearing it from one of those "radicals.") What got me started all over again was my seeing that GREAT video about the Irish landowner being served with an eviction notice who was surrounded by neighbors who stood up for his rights (what concerned their own constitution and civil vs. comm'l law), followed by my then noticing a post about the "two Americas." (http://www.dailypaul.com/232793/does-the-united-states-exist...) And so, I think I'll go see if anyone's added songs @ music for the ron paul revolution - namely, a little more recent than my own contribution. :)

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United States, Inc...

Is the US a corporation? Can we skip the technical explanation and just ask if it operates like a corporation? Or better yet, is it run by corporations? Is the red, white, and blue a branding logo?

Well

I think that corporations do run our country and to me, that is a problem. Sure, people could say Romney has more business experience than Obama, but there is still a bunch of things about Romney that would disqualify him from being presidential material (which I guess is part of the reason we are all here, Paul has qualities that don't seem to be valued by mainstream politicians). I just think that comparing America to a corporation is in itself forgetting a huge part of what makes America great, the people. Fixing the economy won't necessarily fix our diminished civil liberties. Ron Paul is the only one in my book who has a solution to both.

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...but she's waking away

Comparing the United States to a corporation comes from REMEMBERING what made America great and the desire to return her to that state...

Here is a website that may help:

This is the website of the Republic for the united States of America. They have restored the original Republic de jure and all the States have positions filled so that it is a viable legal entity. It replaces the present de facto Republic of the United States of America which is a corporation running under a corporate Constitution of the United States of America.

http://www.republicfortheunitedstates.org/

The Republic was finally restored I believe in 2010 which was a significant year in the history of America being a complete cycle of seven periods of 390 years allotted to the people of the Northern Kingdom of Israel dating from the fall of the capital of that Kingdom, Samaria in 721 B.C. This period is also called the time of "No King in Israel". This connects it to the time during the days of the Judges when "In those days Israel had no king. Each man did what he considered to be right." The final period began in 1620 when the Pilgrim Fathers landed in what later became Plymouth Massachusetts. During the American Revolution one of the slogans was "No King but Jesus" referring to their subjection to Jesus Christ rather than King George or indeed any man. This is also the guarantee of Liberty inasmuch as each individual is answerable to God alone.

Whether the history of the Constitution being replaced with a corporate Constitution is true or not could I believe be verified by the Lawyers for Ron Paul. If it is true that the common law was simultaneously replaced by Admiralty law then surely the legal profession would be aware of this. It all seems quite plausible and there are many who believe it to be true. It would explain the total rubbishing of the spirit of the Constitution in any event. My own belief is that this will soon be rectified.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Two United States

I appreciate the intention of the OP, but yes, there are two United States and one is a corporation and one is our original republic. The secretive creation of the corporation at the end of the civil war was the beginning of the end of our republic and with it our civil liberties.

I often tell people that the Civil War was not a war between the North and South. It was in reality a European invasion using the divide and conquer strategy. The civil war was instigated by the same European banking families that constitute the growing global menace. The same technique has been used in latin american and Africa (i.e. conquest through civil war). Americans are blind to the fact that they were themselves victims of this same technique. Obviously, the history books are written by the victors, so we have to learn it outside of the school system.

I've only been aware of this for about five years and it's encouraging to see other comments of people who are also now aware of this.

This has been my conclusion too...

The 14th Amendment abolished individual slavery to create collective slavery. We are now all slaves, re-read the 14th and you will now see it in a different light.

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My research has shown

that USA is in fact a corporation. The people are not shareholders and not customers but rather employes - or more correctly - slaves owned by the Government - or more correctly by the FED - or even more correctly by the UN, or even more correctly by some rich families primarily in Europe.

It is fascinating to research this and find the truth.

But you are of course correct in that we do not need a business man to run Government. We need a principled person with high morals and integrity who will do what is right and lawful, i.e. follow the constitution.

A business man will look after himself and the investors/owners, i.e. the bankers and the families behind the FED, UN, IMF, World Bank, NATO etc. etc.

You all realize you're just

You all realize you're just confusing the original poster right...

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I'm not really all that

I'm not really all that confused about what people are saying. I actually find it interesting.

Yesterday in Santee, I answered this same question...

Although some would argue your supposition that the US is not a corporation may be incorrect and I have read many of the arguements and over the years and investigated the DC Nation State/US is a Corporation based no longer upon common law but the UCC, we still have a Constitution that is supposed to be the supreme law of the land. And I, for one, want to promote the original intent of the Constitution and the first 10 amendments and not the US is a corporation arguement and I no longer go there with people.

That being said, I fielded the same question yesterday when we (our RP meet group) were the working the crowd for Ron Paul and Mike Benoit at the Santee,CA Street Faire . Half way thru our discussion this big man, informed me, condescendingly, that he was a behaviorist and retired school district superintendent in an attempt to cow me with his A-Thar-o-Taa. I was not impressed, and when he got around to the arguement,in this post...

"he is a businessman" and has "plans" to save the economy and that Obama has no business background and so is a falure" and " Romney has common sense plans to get America back to work".

...that's when I owned him. I told him, "America is not a business as government derives it's income from THEFT and redistributes it to others, in comparison, business is profit driven and derives it's income from providing products or services, and spends the capitol it generates more thoughtfully due to it's intent and the fact that it had to EARN not STEAL the money. I also told him, that the Declaration of Independence defines the just role of government, which is to protect Life, Liberty and Property...ONLY. And that it was the President's job to follow the Constitution not his own 'business plan" for our country. I went further to let him know that I was a CEO of a Corporation I founded , myself and built, not just a gal in boots and a cowboy hat. And that I had never received a dime of taxpayer money. I said this all with a smile and not in condescention, for I wanted to win him over.

It did not work. Mortified,he realized he had underestimated this little cowgirl, shook his head and told me, "You just don't understand..." and walked off, pissed, to rejoin his wife, who, had already left to enjoy the faire.

I did not win him over as people like this, who have been in positions of authority,want you to just accept what they say as the final word. At one point he was actually trying to convince me to quit what I was doing, for it was senselesss and vote for Romney!!) He did do not want to be bothered with the facts. People like this are in dreamland and resent anyone who can counter them with a truthful arguement ~ Don't bother me with the facts! I usually do not waste time with these people, as it is a distraction from me seeking those who are willing to listen, those whom I can win over. During my discussion with him I probably lost the opportunity to engage 15 other people...a lesson learned for me.

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

You have not gone far enough down the rabbit hole

The United States is absolutely a corporation. What I can't seem to verify is whether our Presidents swear an oath to the corporation or to the country. All my research indicates that the United States Corporation was formed using exact duplicates of the Constitution for the United states of America and other legal documents to confuse everyone. It appears to be the same way in nearly every country with a central bank. These countries are in essence legal fictions owned by England and their charters are held in London.

That does NOT mean America does not exsist or that our actual constitution is no longer valid, it does seem however, that our original constitution and our constitutional Republic has be laying dormat for over 100 years.

Efforts are ongoing to revive our constitutional republic by several groups around the country who are electing officers, govenors, etc to fill the positions voluntarly vacated (either by choice, coersion, or stupidity) which will revive the form of government under which America was designed to be run. America is NOT a democracy. But more often than not you will hear our presidents and leaders refer to the United States as a democracy...in much the same way they claim we are spreading democracy across the globe.

My greatest hope is that this is what Ron Paul is really working toward...becoming the FIRST President of The United States of America in over 100 years. The COUNTRY not the CORPORATION.

Interesting

Interesting, that is why I brought this topic up for healthy debate. I was unaware of the second constitution. I realize that the US is treated like a corporation, but do you think it should be that way? It seems to me that your last sentence indicates that you like Ron Paul because he is about people and not corporations.. What do you think about the lobbying? Do you think the lobbyists care about people at all, or their own self interests?

Sorry but...

The United States of America IS a corporation...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVsMUpPgdT0

but

is America's main goal to increase net profit? I think the US has elements of a corporation, but its goals should be different. I guess SHOULD BE is the main point. I understand that it is treated like a corporation, but I view the two as being different.

America is a corporation, it

America is a corporation, it has investors and customers. You suggest that the American Taxpayer is the investor, when in fact they are the customer. The business that the United States is in is Benefits. They sell benefits to the customer, called Citizens, for a premium, called taxes.

Question is, who are the Investors?

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great reply

I didn't think about it like that. Actually it was the Romney supporter who said that the citizens were the investors, but I totally get your point about paying in to get benefits. I'm not sure who the investors are.. maybe China or foreign countries who lend us all this money?