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Why I won't support Justin Amash any more.

Justin Amash is not a Ron Paul in the making.

http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/azhar2.1.1.html

Update: Even though this post has a negative rating, I stand by my post. Our insane foreign policy is at the heart of the destruction of our inalienable rights. Rather than give to his campaign, I will keep my own money and buy more silver to protect me and my family from the currency debasement that Justin promotes with the money printing that must be accomplished to provide for Israel's defense.

Update 2: I've read Justin's new Facebook response. http://www.facebook.com/repjustinamash/posts/399961023376643
As far as I can recall, we don't have any formal Declaration of War to engage in hostilities or form alliances. Justin, you are being trapped in the slippery slope of Unconstitutional actions with my hard earned money. As Ron Paul has said, if we are going to go to war, Declare it, Win it, and then Come home. Instead, Justin Amash is contribution to this nation's bankruptcy by entangling alliances.




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Ah yes, the US can't have any

Ah yes, the US can't have any allies at all I guess. That's isolationism, not non-intervention. Yes I understand many people think Israel is somehow ruling the world and trying to destroy the US, etc or whatever, but stop trying to crucify a guy. He thinks allies are important, I personally do to, I think we should be allies with everyone. Non-interventionists talk with everyone. Would you feel the same if another country such as Canada requested assistance?

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

if *YOU* want to be "allies" with another country, . . .

then send them YOUR money.
And try reading your own byline !:
"Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto."

Yes I like my byline and I

Yes I like my byline and I agree with it, but that does not change the fact that we have alliances and it's not going to change over night. Everyone who thinks we can just change everything day one is kidding themselves. Just as liberty has been stolen incrementally we must win it back so.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

Def of Ally. A state formally

Def of Ally. A state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose, typically by treaty.
Please remind me when our "ally" Israel stood with us in any conflict we've been since Israel inception?

here is how they "stood with us" on one occasion

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/26/what-did-we-learn-fr...
There are 33 American military members and one American civilian contractor who died terrifying horrific deaths and 174 Americans who were horribly wounded due to Israel’s sneak attack on the virtually unarmed American intelligence ship the U.S.S. Liberty on June 8, 1967.

I'm pretty sure they are,

I'm pretty sure they are, like our troops around the world in other countries, strategic placement for troops and another arm for the MIC. I do not think we need to be increasing Israel's firepower, but Justin has a right to think it will help protect the US, even if we both disagree. Considering I do not have all the answers (and neither do you) it's hard to say.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

"I'm pretty sure they

"I'm pretty sure they are"
just prove it. Name the conflict or stop calling them ally.
"but Justin has a right to think it will help protect the US"
Amash can think what he wants, but not spend my money the way he wants. He just did that.

You don't need a conflict to

You don't need a conflict to be an ally. Being a strategic launching point, refueling area, etc are all forms that can make someone an ally.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

Go back to definition. They

Go back to definition. They had numerous occasions. They are not ally by the definition.
"strategic refueling area"??????
What we need this for?
Are you Ron Paul supporter at all?

Back to definition "or other

Back to definition "or other purposes."

Um duh! We sail a ship there or fly some planes to another country, need to refuel, stop in Israel to refuel. There are reasons for having friends around the world.

You can have allies in negotiations that help persuade other sides, allies in school that help you learn, etc

Please don't attempt to question my support. I am not defending this bill or this vote, I am defending Justin Amash because he has been working very hard to protect our liberty on over a thousand bills. Remember the Smith-Amash amendment he tried to push. Did you see anyone else pushing for an amendment that protected our due process?

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

Are you Ron Paul supporter at

"he has been working very hard to protect our liberty"
How this vote increased our liberty?
His every voted should do that.

O! man. Stop accepting compromises. You will lose a view of liberty fast.

What other purposes but military you see with US-Israel relationship?

Lol! Do I have to answer the

Lol! Do I have to answer the same questions over and over or are you actually going to stop, read, and think about what I said?

I don't see much other then military, but that makes them an ally under your personal definition, so you just contradicted yourself.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

What treaty?

What treaty?

"Typically by treaty" does

"Typically by treaty" does not mean you need a treaty to be an ally. You don't have to have a signed document to be someone's ally. You'e struggling to argue semantics on the definition of an ally. When the US clearly sees Israel as an ally. I wish they weren't but that is how they are handled.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

US? You mean extrateritorial

US? You mean extrateritorial municipal corporation located in Washigton D.C., outside united States offering govermental services for Americans? O yes they probably are seeing Israel as ally.
But the thruth is its just demgoguery and you know it.

Now you're getting into

Now you're getting into semantics about our government and that's completely off topic. Fine for another debate, but for this topic it is clear that Israel is considered an ally to the majority of the American people.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

Yes. If he believes that

Yes. If he believes that Israel is an ally he should send his own money not mine.
Ron Paul voted against congress commissioned medal to Rosa Park. Did he believed she didn't deserve one? No, he believed that Congress should not fund it from the taxpayers coffin. Then he proposed to fund the medal from congressmens pockets. That is the standard for me.
If Amash wants to send money to his perceived allies it should be his own money not mine.
He is no friend of liberty, if he doesn't understand it.
And good luck to you, if you will support " A Friend of Any Country Which Deserves Taxpayers Money".

Taxpayer's Coffers

rather than "coffin" ? :-)

Gwen Kraft

"Personal Liberty & Personal Responsibility" -- Dr. Ron Paul

"A hero is someone who understands the responsibility that comes with his freedom." -- Bob Dylan

i prefer the original, . . .

as he could have been referring to the death tax :-)

Sorry English as a Third

Sorry English as a Third Language.

Maybe Justin actually believe

Maybe Justin actually believe that aiding Israel will make us safer. Sometimes it actually is important to defend another country to protect the US. Not always, but it does happen. I don't know his entire motives, but if you write off anyone who does not agree with you 100% you won't have any allies, because as you can see most of here don't even agree 100%.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

Maybe or maybe not. So far I

Maybe or maybe not. So far I see it that way: He just send money I had for my boys college to owners of military industrial complex, to send their sons to college. How that increases my liberty?

Great, besides Ron Paul,

Great, besides Ron Paul, which liberty candidates are you supporting that are better? Don't take too much time, a list of 5 will do.

"liberty candidates" So, you

"liberty candidates"
So, you think he is the liberty candidate?
To answer your question: None.

Lol! Good thing I will as

Lol! Good thing I will as will many others. Justin is a great fighter for liberty and as stated below voting the wrong way on one bill is not going to make me give up on him. He's new to the game, and most likely under intense pressure at all times to become the establishment. It would have been much more intelligent to "attack" him in a respectful manner and explain to him the problem. Don't like it? Then you run for Congress.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

jaseed's picture

Would like to know...

Rand Paul's position on HR 4133.
Anyone here know what that is?
...here at University of Daily Paul...

"My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them".
Senator Barry Goldwater, Senator Rand Paul
and others.

“The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.”

– Thomas Jefferson

So what

You are not a Ron Paul in the making either and neither am I. In fact, no one is or can be, even his son. Get over it. If you want to change the world you march with those who are marching in your direction, forgiving them their petty differences if you can't persuade them away over a friendly beer.

Utopia...

The desire for utopia through Paul clones is never ever going to happen. We must come to this realization quickly. There will never be another Ron Paul. But there will be many who are quite close. We cannot let the good become the enemy of the perfect, or our revolution will fall apart.

Baloney...this vote is unforgiveable...

it is blatantly unconstitutional and continues an unholy alliance with a foreign country. I'm Jewish and this appalls me.

Yes, there will never be another Ron Paul. But does that mean we have to set our sights so much lower? Does that mean we have to shrug off travesties like this vote? Does that mean we have to compromise our principles? I say no.

"A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's heaven for?" Browning, Robert

No

I never said we should shrug off travesties. I just reject the proposition of eliminating support for an otherwise outstanding US Congressman on the basis of 1 or 2 votes. That would be utopianistic. And I am against desired utopia because it's unattainable and leads to more harm for our movement. Instead make your voice known to Amash and sway his oppinion.