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Blue Republican or Red Democrat? The rEVOLution Crosses Party Lines

The newest and fastest growing political grouping in the USA is driven by the idea that the problems that are facing the nation today have been caused not just by the Left wing or the Right wing, but by the mainstream of both parties, which have for years been eliminating our civil rights, sponsoring and benefiting from a crony corporatist economic system, and operating a militaristic foreign policy, seemingly to the benefit of a military industrial complex more than that to the benefit of the nation.

This growing group of anti-Republicrats are mostly young people who’ve been educating themselves about their nation and its workings – rather than relying on the typically dull mainstream media that continue to filter events through the mistaken ideas that the Democrats and Republicans have fundamentally different political perspectives, and that on any particular issue, one of the parties will know the best political direction for the nation.

In 2012, most of these post-partisan Americans who say to America’s political duopoly, “Pox on both your houses”, are supporting Ron Paul for president, even though very many of them have never before identified Republican.

Now their influence is beginning to be felt outside the Republican party – and not just in the presidential election.

In the 10th District of New Jersey, a candidate for the Democratic nomination to represent his district in Congress, is finally asking the question that hundreds of thousands of young American liberals have already asked - and whose answer has caused them to leave his party.

The candidate is Dennis Flynn, and his campaign video begins by asking, “Where Have Our Liberal Values Gone?”

The voiceover proceeds to provide the motivation for the question …

The following is a quote from the most outspoken voice for liberal values currently serving in the U.S. House of Representatives.

'… it is with the complicity of Congress that we have become a nation of pre-emptive war, secret military tribunals, torture, rejection of habeas corpus, warrantless searches, undue government secrecy, extraordinary renditions, and uncontrolled spying on the American people. Fighting over there has nothing to do with preserving freedoms here at home. More likely, the opposite is true.’

Cutting to pictures of stadiums filled with literally thousands of people, the voiceover continues,

Here are some recent examples of this Congressman’s speaking events. Crowds of young liberals who want to end the rules and protect civil rights are passionately participating in a wave of political action [that is] sweeping across the country.

So what’s wrong with this picture? The congressman they are supporting is a Republican.

Those young liberals are called Blue Republicans, and that congressman is called Ron Paul.

The values that have driven the Blue Republicans out of the Democratic party and toward a conservative septuagenarian Republican are a preference for peace over war, a belief in the Bill of Rights and a desire to end to a government-sponsored crony corporatist economic and monetary system.

What strange bedfellows true principles make!

Whereas a Blue Republican can most simply be defined as a “Democrat or Independent who is registering Republican for one year to support Ron Paul”, more important is the underlying realization that causes people to make what for many of them is a dramatic political conversion: what is most wrong with the United States is not caused by one or other party, but by what both parties have agreed about, often tacitly or implicitly, and caused together.

Don’t like the Patriot Act, the NDAA, or CISPA? Romney and Obama both support them. Don’t like bailouts? Romney and Obama both support them. Don’t like military intervention without the declaration of war? Romney and Obama both support them. Don’t like a secretive central bank and corporations that (under government license) manipulate a fiat currency in a manner that systematically transfers wealth from working Americans to a financial class? Not only do Romney and Obama both support them: they both receive their largest donations from those very corporations.

As Flynn’s campaign states, “These are not Democrat issues or Republican issues. These are American issues.

Exactly, Mr. Flynn.

And yet, since Ron Paul – who stands against all the un-American things just listed, and is unique in consistently voting against the shared assumptions of the two main parties – is a Republican, the Republicans are gaining registrants as the Democratic party is losing them: not because their track record is any better, but just because the guy who’s telling the truth has an (R) after his name.

In New Jersey, Dennis Flynn realizes that it doesn’t have to be this way. Democrats can tell the truth about what most matters, too. Moreover, the Democratic Party has for decades talked as if it had a greater claim to these Blue Republican values than the Republican Party, so surely it can stop the bleeding of support by putting its policies - and its candidates - where its mouth is?

Flynn appreciates that Ron Paul is being carried by a rising post-partisan live-and-let-live pro-liberty political wave that spans the political spectrum, attracting the independently minded of both liberal and conservative sensibilities. His campaign is both effect and cause of the fact that a cultural and political revolution that is bigger than either party is under way in the United States. And if the rEVOLution is going to take root and then take over, it must start to undo the prevailing self-interested orthodoxies of both of the main parties of this nation.

I am pleased to support Dennis Flynn, the Democrat, as I am to support Ron Paul, the Republican. The purists may hate me for it – whether they be party-Democrats, party-Republicans or even libertarians. And that is just fine. In politics, “perfection” - like abandonment of principle - is nearly always the enemy of the good. Given his running on a Democratic ticket, I suspect that Flynn disagrees with Paul on abortion, has softer views on certain government spending, and has an idea of property rights that may not satisfy a “Human Action”-carrying libertarian. But, finally, a Democrat has recognized that the nation is profoundly losing its way – and that all those issues about which he may disagree with a principled libertarian are much less important than those (civil rights, peace, crony corporatism) about which they should agree.

Dennis Flynn is making a farsighted attempt to turn one of the nation’s most powerful institutions – the Democratic Party – toward civil rights and the very values that it has been espousing for decades but long ago forgot to act on. (It was the Democrat, Jim Clyburn, who said only two years ago that most of what Congress does is Unconstitutional – and therefore at odds with the Bill of Rights.)

People who care most about political orthodoxy, a candidate’s political experience, their pet government program or whether their candidate is a party-man won’t care much for Mr. Flynn; nor will those who just don’t like the unfamiliar. However, those who think that perhaps not all blame for America’s mess lies with the political opposition, but that their own party (and nation) might benefit from a little honest self-criticism and house-cleaning, will be excited by the truth Flynn tells and the courage with which he is telling it.

Flynn’s tagline is “Returning Real Liberal Values to the Democratic Party”. Let’s see if he can return some of the real liberals to that party, too.

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Well,

"He" is not trying to get "his" party up any ladder (I'm not only a Republican, but on the ballot in all of NJ as a RP At-Large Alt). I'm trying to get Ron Paul's message, which I understand as being bigger than one man or one party, up the "ladders" of BOTH parties.

Ahhh I know this Hardie but

Ahhh I know this Hardie but why right now??? Wait until after atleast. Spreading liberty to two groups that would make people choose one or the other is not liberty. If I am going to choose betwwen two groups that both promote the same principles and ideas, then I am naturally going to try to find something that is different of the two. Both parties will be competing with one another to get votes so they are going to do whatever they can to get those votes. Eventually one of them is going to pop out with something that is against liberty but may have some influence on voters. We all know where this leads and it aint happeing again. sorry hardie

Freedom

Well best wishes Dude

send us a post card. Let us know how DEM Liberty movement is workin' out. Better get crakin' on DEM Liberty Money Bombs.

You guys already have an in at HUFFPO.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Susie 4 Liberty's picture

can't give you an up vote

and appears others can't either. AND I want to re-read the piece; there was one minor point that I see in a different light...

Thanks for posting it...

Susie 4 Liberty

I'm a libertarian, and I

I'm a libertarian, and I think this is a great idea. I'm saddened by all the negative comments. Why must we only support candidates running as Republicans? If there is NO liberty Republican running in that particular district, then I don't see it as "divide and conquer" as so many people on this site are claiming.

liberty lover in Nor Cal!

"Maybe" in the future but not

"Maybe" in the future but not right now. Even though we have accomplished so much with this movement, we still have not gotten anyone to the white house. We are a republic not a democracy. We are trying to show people what a TRUE conservative is. We are trying to educate people about how America used to be. We can not get people to learn what they need if they just stay on the democrat side and have to feel that they are goiong against republicans. If people have to choose democrat or republican there is still going to be sterotypes and categorizing people, not to mention the media will still be able to fight against each other and keep people fighting against each other. Let the movement win and THEN people can start to see what the real solution is.

Freedom

The movement is already winning.

Ron Paul couldn't stop the Liberty activists from taking over the GOP at this point if he tried.

We need to make sure that in 2014 and 2016, when Liberty Republicans fill ballots in most Congressional districts, that the Democrats voting in the general election aren't considering supporting this "radical" message for the first time.

And when Freedom Democrats get elected too, we'll just have that many more votes with President Paul in the House.

I agree with your thinking on

I agree with your thinking on this but... What if by the end of Ron's term America has fully understood what a TRUE conservative is. There will be no need to jump back on the two sided nonsense. Face it, people are better off thinking together on issues without having to worry about thinking for one side or the other.

Freedom

It is not going to be "two-sided"

Freedom Democrats will be voting WITH Liberty Republicans. They'll be endorsing each other and even VOTING for each other.

THAT is how we get rid of the two-sided nonsense.

Right, what sense does that make-what is the point??

Noticed you made sure to maintain "BRAND" differentiation. If the Goal is LIBERTY and the end of two-sided nonsense-why maintain Brand identification?

All you need is One Liberty candidate choice. Multiple "Liberty" choices create flavors of Liberty-i.e. the same BS we have now. Lots of TALK of Liberty but NO LIBERTY.

NO THANKS-Not necessary-Unless your goal is to continue the current scam.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

It's simple.

There are very many people out there who would love to join our cause. But because they are Democrats, and Dr. Paul is a Republican, the reality is that many of them aren't willing to support him, even if they agree with his message. Many more don't even bother to listen.

We are talking about ADDING to the movement, not splitting it up or taking votes away.

They will support him once

They will support him once they see him in action!!! We do not need every vote in the country right now, but the next election people will not be thinking Rep or Dem they will be clearly thinking RON PAUL. And that is where the Rep/Dem becomes irrelevant for ever.

Your either in or you are out because you are not doing Ron Paul any good by doing this crap

Freedom

This election, not just next...

Dennis Flynn is already getting people to not think Rep or Dem. He endorses and will voting for Ron Paul for president. His campaign manager is a Republican. He's sending a clear message that it's about principle over party.

The 10th District of NJ is an 80% Democrat voting district. Dennis Flynn's five opponents all support the president's interventionist foreign policy, attack on civil rights, and marriage with crony corporatism. Getting Democrats to wake up and vote for someone speaking against these things is more important that the letter next to his or her name.

Have fun re-learning already hard learned lessons

But Again-Best wishes. Just STOP distracting this movement at a very critical time w/ something that is a BIG distraction relative to its near term value.

Go start DEM DAILY LiBerty. You can begin w/ all the "Blue Republicans" that have not really learned a thing about LIBERTY yet.
Together you may learn what you need to know about LIBERTY.

LIBERTY is NOT about FLAVORS. WE are not "Taking Over" the R party for LIBERTY because we want R flavor LIBERTY. We are taking over the R party because we want LIBERTY-PERIOD-And the only way to get anything done right now, under the current rules of the game, is to gain power in one of the TWO VIABLE parties.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Why even have them if they

Why even have them if they are all about the constitution anyway?? What is the point? That only makes people choose a group. If we do that then eventually problems will start occuring between the two. Its a fact. Society is not perfect so eventually they will find disagreements and it will only get worse years to come.

I love the fact that you are promoting liberty but I just do not believe that pulling votes away from Paul "right now" will help anything at all. We are trying to win this year and we need every vote that we can get. We can debate your idea AFTER Ron Paul wins. So do this after please, AFTER. And I mean that respectively.

Freedom

Please

Try to explain to me how we are pulling any votes away from Dr. Paul. We are CREATING them. We're talking about getting Obama voters who don't yet understand the message to wake up. We're not telling anyone to leave the GOP. We're just multiplying so fast, that both parties will soon be filled with principled leadership.

LOL

You write a lot of funny stuff dude.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

OUTSTANDING COMMENT TheAmericanDream +100000000000000000

Outstanding insight.

That is one of the best comments I have EVER seen on the DP!!

Sincerely

Thank You

gm

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

You have got to be kidding

You have got to be kidding me... Why? Why right now? How can this guy sit here and really try to promote a democrat off of the Ron Paul's revolution? We are trying to do something that has never been done in the history of this country and this guy is going to undermine us. It is absolutely ridiculous. Trying to bring the liberty movement to the democrat side will only destory the revolution. Please answer this. What would be the point of having two liberty movements on both sides??? How could that make any difference? People need to step away from the democrat/republican idea and see liberty for themselves. By having two liberty movements this will only keep people divided even more.

This dude needs to take dennis and his democrat bull shit off a pedastal and get a little more respect. I am sick of the government, the federal reserve, and the people killing this country. I will shit on everyone that shits on us. This is the peoples idea and time. No longer are we going to put up with anybody's crap to undermine this movement. This idea's time has come and aint no Dennis and this reporter going to screw it up.. So take your stupid ass opinion's back where they came from and keep them there because you are next to get shit on.

Freedom

Just got this idea...

Give or take;

Example:

In California, the movement could pick a candidate per state wide office, differing "party" or faction of the movement, per office. This would give each faction of the movement a state-wide focus to then organize activist for their specific local campaigns.

For instance. Laura Wells is running as the Green Party candidate for Governor. If all the "progressive-Paul supporters" in California remained active focusing state-wide around this campaign for 2014, then likely we'll make a lot of local victories in the same cycle.

Perhaps a Liberty Republican wants to run for Lt. Governor, then the GOP faction of the movement could focus on that to organize state-wide.

Maybe a Libertarian runs for Secretary of State and an American Independent for Attorney General, and a Peace and Freedom for Senate. Or mix it all around.

Either way, this could be how we join and separate as needed to keep the movement going without fighting amongst each other.

Just an idea to play with.

The goal is to educate as many people as possible, and learn to communicate our platform to as many people as possible. That way, even "socialist" candidates will start to understand the libertarian platform. We can work together on a large number of issues, and debate the rest after we have overthrown the establishment.

Jack Wagner

Amen!

You have the right idea. If the ideological purists and the party tribalists would just shut up and listen we could actually do what we all want to do.

Yes Brilliant-Do change the placement of the deck chairs-as long

as it does not alter the course of the Super Liner a fraction of a degree from the ESTABLISHMENTS course.

That is what is IMPORTANT here.

P.S. Interesting Garb You chose to wear to have your pic taken w/ RP Jack.

P.P.S.-"libertarian platform" LOL

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Where did Robin Koerner come from?

Either gmason hasn't been paying attention for the last year or is just stirring the pot.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be the option to downvote comments in this thread.

Do you understand what a rhetorical question is?

It means I can't believe you are even asking this. Not that I am going to point out the obvious to you.

Yes DriftForge I am fascinated for you to detail where Koerner

came from-do tell-please.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

DriftForge-HELLO

You were just about to enlighten me about the origin of Koerner-The Establishment DEM publication HUFFPO writer??

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

The way the Freedom Movement

The way the Freedom Movement wins is quite a brilliant way, which could've even happened for this time.

1) Get Freedom Democrats and Liberty Republicans elected in as many offices possible, from dog catcher to sheriff to US Congressman to President.

2) Strengthen the Libertarian Party, with funds and support.

3) Freedom Democrats, Liberty Republicans and Libertarians would back each other should either one of them fail to get the nomination: we win either way, the most successful way is having a Freedom Democrat vs. Liberty Republican (the Libertarians can either back one of the 2 or field its own candidate), even with one of them, the Freedom Movement wins!

4) Freedom Democrat vs. Liberty Republican= 100% win; Freedom Democrat or Liberty Republican= 50% win. The Libertarians can decide to nominate their own candidate if they like but might likely back either one.

Koerner Then: Hey guys I am going to bring dis-affected Dems

to your LIBERTY Movement by getting published in the DEM ESTABLISHMENT PUBLICATION-HUFFPO?? An Article about STEALING DEM VOTERS FROM THE ESTABLISHMENT????

THUS BECOMING a "LEADER" of the LIBERTY MOVEMENT and winning the trust of many in the LIBERTY Movement.

Koerner Now: “Returning Real Liberal Values to the Democratic Party”. Let’s see if he can return some of the real liberals to that party, too."

Thus Completely reversing any gains from "Blue Republicans" for the LIBERTY Movement, destroying Five Plus years of effort and millions of dollars from the LIBERTY forces and returning the DOUPOLY Right Back where the Establishment likes it-A Doupoly.

Thank You Very Much.

How does an TRUE anti-Establishment LIBERTY Person get published in an ESTABLISHMENT Publication w/ Ideas that would help bring down the ESTABLISHMENT??

It could not hurt to not truly be an anti-Establishment LIBERTY Person and to Promise you will reverse the deal a few months later.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Blue Republican "British are Coming" Dude giveth

then BRBaC Dude Taketh Away.

That was an excellent scam-Had many of the newbies and not an insignificant number of old-timers fooled.

The Establishment Criminals never rest, never give up, never stop scamming.

That is why they are so tough to get rid of like getting skunk reek out of clothing after a nasty spraying.

Koerner-How much do you get paid for this stuff.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Stop

pretending to be an idiot.

You make your case I will make mine-Let the people decide

The criminals we are fighting like to use power to silence inconvenient(for their criminal agenda) voices.

Allow ALL voices to be heard-The ideas w/ most merit will rise to the top in the minds of ALL of Good Will.

P.S. DriftForge alluded above that I did not know the Real Koerner-then failed to accept my offer to be enlightened.

Please do fill me in on who this Koerner character is since you imply you have Rock Solid proof he is A-OK.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Interesting Timing on this-Right after Memorial Day, DPeeps

focused on the Texas Primary thread, MN(out of town/on vacation??) and this coordinated D and C assault w/ Koerner and Ah Hey Hardie & Co.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

How did THIS Divide and CONQUER SCAM get FRONT PAGED

???

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

YEA!!! DIVIDE and CONQUER

Let us all cheer for going straight back where we started and RIGHT ON TIME.

Courtesy of Brit HUFFPO boy and "Ah Hey Hardie" and his merry band of scam artists.

Straight out of COINTELPRO/RULES for Radicals/ROCKEFELLER-ROTHSCHILD/LENIN

The best way to control the opposition is to lead it.

LOL

This is a hoot though fellas

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

All the usual suspects-checking in

LOL

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

double the rloveution

double the fun !!

"If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right!"

- Doctor Ron Paul

Peace and Freedom

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I think the idea of a Peace and Freedom movement within the DNC that compliments the Liberty movement within the GOP is a great idea!!!

Maybe someday we will have a "better of two goods" election.

Jack Wagner

"better of two goods"

made me laugh. Hopefully one day it will be true.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

Yeah, This thing DEFINITELY has a STRONG STINK

Complete w/ would be scam artist extraordinaire "Ah Hey Hardie"?? and flim-flam crew. I wonder which actual HUMAN is controlling the "Ah Hey Hardie" account at this particular time?

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Hmm, Fascinating

http://www.dailypaul.com/236767/some-thoughts-on-taking-over...

?

How Red is a Red Democrat?

?

How Republican is a Blue Republican?

Are we being played on this deal?

Does this concept not just take back whatever Blue Republicans we may have gained?

If WE gained Dems-VOTES We critically need-by being what they can't get in the current DEM Party-Doesn't making the current DEM party more like us just defeat any gains and revert back to the old scam?

Before those that sought LIBERTY thought they might get it by going LP-The rulers quickly squashed that avenue.

Is this not just another way to save the duopolies bacon from their worst nightmare-All Pro-LIBERTY people concentrating in one of the two VIABLE parties?

Something is getting to have a bad smell here.

The TEA PARTY-OUR TEA PARTY was quickly co-opted.

Interesting Timing that when we are making clear progress taking over one of ONLY TWO VIABLE Parties this Idea goes from a trickle to a flood in nothing flat?

Who really is this dude Koerner? He's a Brit? Did we not defeat the Brits to get our LIBERTY in the first place? Did not those same Brits never give up on re-enslaving us? This guy gets published in-wait for it-HUFFPO???

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in