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If we "take over" the gop will the media simply find another party to promote? Go Independent now!

The Singing Revolution

Do you really believe the media will advertise liberty minded candidates if/when the republican party becomes saturated with them?

RP chose the GOP for a chance at exposure. And he has milked it quite well. But the establishment media's willingness to expose/legitimize a party is directly proportionate to the degree to which that party represents the establishment media's agenda. In other words, if we "take over" the GOP, the media simply find another party to promote. Sheep are sheep . They'll follow. Independent may seem too underground, but, in terms of media exposure, underground is precisely where a liberty-centered GOP would end up anyway. (so long as the MSM hangs on to relevance)

Unless we really have strong reason to believe the delegate strategy can actually **make RP president** we need to get his name on the ballot NOW! Imagine how awesome it would be to actually SEE his name on the ballot. Going Independent now is not Plan B, it would be the shrewd second step of Plan A. Milk exposure, then GET YOUR NAME ON THE BALLOT.

Note that liberty supporters should continue to position themselves to dismantle both of the evil republicrat parties from within. But some states' deadlines for independents are THIS WEEK. So it's now or never.




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this is good

we need a third party system any ways so let romney start it.

freedom420

Romney already has

...and we will take that over also.
That's why this OP is sooooooo Irrrelevant!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

The GOP will go "Third Party"

to keep Obama in power.

Ron refused to do their dirty work (by running third party). He's running on genuine principle.

The leaders of the GOP have no principles (that support anything truly American). They'll throw all of their resources and the race itself (by creating a "third party") before they'll let the People's voice be heard.

Good Point!

Yes the "RINOs" are truly fearful of winning.
They don't plan to, want to, or hope for a win in 2012.
Good argument!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Please help Ron Paul win

Please help Ron Paul win South Dakota www.southdakotaforliberty.com

So..if you suspect that the

So..if you suspect that the relegate strategy won't make Ron Paul president...you want to try something else that has a ZERO chance of making him president.

Get this throguh your head so you are prepared for the Real World again...Ron Paul is NOT going to win as an independent. He would have ZERO chance. Ross perot had more money than Romney and Obama PUT TOGETHER and he did nothing but hurt Bush .Ron Paul will have 1/10th of the money (if that) and will not even reach Perots level of votes.

So..if you suspect that the

So..if you suspect that the relegate strategy won't make Ron Paul president...you want to try something else that has a ZERO chance of making him president.

Get this throguh your head so you are prepared for the Real World again...Ron Paul is NOT going to win as an independent. He would have ZERO chance. Ross perot had more money than Romney and Obama PUT TOGETHER and he did nothing but hurt Bush .Ron Paul will have 1/10th of the money (if that) and will not even reach Perots level of votes.

Get this through your head.

Get this through your head. Ross Perot didnt first milk msm exposure and THEN go independent. Perot was pre internet. Could ron paul have won cpac back then? No. Did he win in 2011? Yup. Why? If you want to use your "that's the way things have always been therefore that's the way things will always be" argument, then why are you even bothering? Go vote for Romney.

Perot Did Not Milk the MSM

..He had the CA$H to air a personal "Infomercial" on nation-wide TV.
And incidentally..the press was always putting the Conservative element down....Do you remember that?

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Take over the media

Wouldn't logic dictate that once we take over the Republican party, we need to take over the media? Wouldn't the takeover of the media be the coup d etat necessary to propel the liberty movement to new heights? Perhaps we need to start focusing more attention on this objective.

We should go ahead with the takeover

Yes, the media may very well destroy the GOP if we takeover. However, other than the Democratic Party and Libertarian, they're the only party that has access to the ballot in every state in the union. If the establishment is going to try and form a new party after our takeover, they'll have to regain ballot access in every state, as well as raise general awareness of their new party.

The fact of the matter is that, if they try to split and form a new party, we'll still stand on the structure of the GOP, which has already been built for us, while they'd have to start anew.

Ron Paul 2016

Not to be a negative nancy but...

the media controls the legislature. The legislature decides who gets access to the ballot.

People like you, who advocate

People like you, who advocate running 3rd party seem to have forgotten something; Electors elect the President of the United States, and Electors will never vote for a 3rd party candidate, because the Electors are made up mostly of Establishment hacks.

Ron Paul has some of the best minds, including his own to

plan strategy. Mr. Paul is a genius when it comes to how the system works. It seems that Dr. Paul would do whatever to advance his honest agenda and his view of the future for the USA.

Would love to hear Dr. Paul make a comment about this idea of going Independent.

You make an exceptionally good case, however.

fearless brave joyful peaceful loving grateful, compassionate

No if we take over the GOP

No if we take over the GOP the media will simply ignite a fire to destroy the caucus system. The worst will be if we come close or even force a second ballot but Romney still wins, because in that case we lose and next time around they'll be ready

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How are they going to stop

How are they going to stop the Caucuses; in most of the States which they would like to do that RP supporters are running enough of the GOP apparatchik to prevent them from changing it. It is the State 'Party' which decides if they will hold a Primary or Caucus, and if enough RP supporters stay involved they(the establishment) wont be able to change it.

Romney will run third party before the convention

The spin is already being put out there to give cover for this. The RINO establishment will use the shadow party's to create a third party claiming the GOP has been hijacked. They are desperate.

Gee..you think maybe that is

Gee..you think maybe that is why Ron Paul has called for Romney-bound delegates to vote for Romney? Becuase he KNOWS that there will not be 1144 Ron Paul delegates in Tampa, even if all were unbound AND there wre no provisions in the rules to combat that (which there are.) And that it wil be a two man race so Ron Paul would have to get 1144 to prevent Romney from getting that maqny.

I see morons on this site saying "If we can get 500 delegates in Tampa, a brokered convention is guaranteed." That doesn't even make even a TINY amount of sense. If there were 500 Ron Paul delegates n Tampa, then Romney would win 1700-500 with a few dozen sticking with Santorum or Gingrich to make a point. (since it doesn't matter.)

If Ron Paul had 1000 delegates, then those few dozen would not try to make a point and would go with Romney.

Lose/Lose either way

Coming close would guarantee they're ready for us next time. Agreed. Going Independent now and guaranteeing RP's name on the ballot would be awesome.

There already WILL be changes

There already WILL be changes made. Didn't Maine already start in motion the process of changing back to a primary state? They won't be the only ones.

And Rule 38 will be written to avoid ANY ambiguity, evne though even as it is written now it is pretty clear that it does not unbing delegates.

There will also be far more states that allocate delegates by slate.

They simply are not going to continue with a system that tells voters "Well..thanks for coming out, but really your vote doesn't matter. We are going to elect our nominee not on the basis of the 20-25 million of you that voted...but of the 20,000 or so that came to conventions, even though that is not a representative sample."

And you can complain all you want,. but if Ron Paul won the popular votes in all the states and someon was taking it away from him, you would be screaming.

Again...this is EXACTLY why Ron Paul has been pretty clear. If you are bound to Romney, he wants you to vote for Romney. Notice thatRon Paul himself has never even remotely endorsed anything that Ben Swann has said or done.