The markets are going down, down, down.
Submitted by iehuvihs on Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:14Please be prepared. Remove investments out of the stock market, take deposits out of the banks, wait for the drop and then spend the worthless FRN's prior to the bailout or eventual event of quantitative easing. Invest in hard assets and production of goods and services. Be wise. The government has it's hands tied and cannot intervene as easily as it did in 2009.
grant
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I have a hard time believing
I have a hard time believing that the people who run the economy will simply let it fall. They can't make money if no one is working and paying taxes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFxvy9XyUtg
Bulls Win. Fatality.
Bulls Win. Fatality.
Quick predictions
Will Greece be kicked out of the EU? I say yes.
Will Spain be kicked out? More difficult to say... I'm not sure yet.
Will Germany withdraw and bring back their own currency? I'd say there's a 50/50 chance, and it's getting stronger.
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Germany would be kicked out
Germany would be kicked out of the EU before Greece or Spain ever are. Germany will come around. Euro-Bonds are coming.
Infant Sorrow - Going Up
Like water through a drain I'm spinning down, down, down
Like the needle in my vein you're bringing me down, down, down
Like a dog who's gone insane you're putting me down, down, down
And those of you who doubted me are going down, down, down
And the record man who never called, can you hear what's going on?
I'm coming up
And this world ain't gonna catch me going down!
How quickly we forget the GS trading code.
edit: But on further reflection, I think this "correction" might be more severe next week than just 5-10%. The premium on put options is increasing alarmingly.
Dump treasury bonds now.
Sell all government bonds. It doesn't make any logical sense to complain about big government and then turn around and give them money to spend. Encourage others to do the same. Take the money and invest in your community, family, friends that you can trust. I prefer to risk my investment directly investing in someone I know than to risk my investment on some government scheme that promises to take care of me from cradle to grave.
grant
I dunno guys...
No matter what the charts say, do you really think they'd let the market tank before an election? My guess is that this is just a 'dip', albeit a big dip...but we'll have a nice run-up through November in order to show how genius Barry is...then, we'll all go to war with Iran, Syria et al. AND pull the rug out from under the market.
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Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.
"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry
I've been pondering this a little lately
and I think they might crash it before the election. Then they could jam mitt through and with mitt it would be a lot easier (politically) to go to war in syria and iran... since repubs blindly follow people into war better than dems do right now.
crashed shortly after the 2008 Republican Convention last time.
Both candidates then rushed back to vote for the bailout. Anti-republican backlash gave the Dems the victory. But McCain had no chance, anyway.
Free includes debt-free!
yep
economic instability will always hurt the party in power. It'll motivate people to vote against something not realizing what they are voting for and then they will be more accepting of tyranny because they "had their say".
I believe your right.. Just a small dip for things to come.
I have a friend that has a seat on the options exchange and their people are saying the same thing that things will be kept propped up until after the election. Just be prepared not to purchase anything you can't afford to lose or pay for when this does happen.
Purchase what you need.
That is all.
Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul ☑
Markets around the world are at the edge of the cliff.
This next week is going to take a big hit. Again, I hope people are getting their money out of the markets, out of the banks and putting it to better use. Get out of paper people?
grant
Thank you for the link...
very educational and LONG...but worth it. He is a Smart Man.
Really.
Your checking account is the liability of your bank owed to you. Federal Reserve Notes are the liability of the Federal Reserve Bank owed to you. If there is a bank collapse walking around with Federal Reserve Notes in your pocket is better than walking around with your checkbook in your pocket, simply because they don't need to be endorsed by you and honored by your bank to pay for something with them. So I agree with you that it is safer to hold Federal Reserve Notes than checking account or saving account balances. That part of you recommendation is accurate.
Let me ask you what the effect is of all the new money that might be printed during an easing. Do you think that this new money might be used to bid up the price of something, and could that something be the stock market? And after the effect of new money drives up prices, do you think that higher prices sow the seeds for eventual reversal of higher prices because less can be bought at higher prices.
All the arguments for runaway prices (worthless FRN's) do not take into account two factors. One is that as prices increase, economic activity is discouraged because less can be bought at higher prices with the money supply that exist at the time purchases are contemplated. The second is that new money in the current system is created out of thin air and loaned into circulation, but the loans come due in the future; when the loans are paid, the money supply contracts as a result of the repayment, going back into the netherworld from whence it came, contributing to economic contraction and downward pressure on prices.
The only way to have price increases at a rapid rate is to have money supply growth outrun loan repayments and the depressing effect of higher prices. Add in fear, which causes people to hold money they receive rather than spend it rapidly (velocity of money flow) and you have an almost impossible task for those who are arrogant enough to think they can manage levels of economic activity by manipulating interest rates and the reserves banks have available.
My bet is that between now and the elections this autumn that the stock market could more likely double than collapse. This is because new money will flow somewhere and the stock market is one path of low resistance, especially if people wake up and realize that government bonds can never be repaid. Of course, in the two years after the election, the stock market could easily give up all these gains and come right back down to where it is today since the increase would have been artificially induced.
So I differ with you on your assessment of the stock market and the likely worthlessness of FRN's. You bank account may become worthless from eventual banking collapse, but such a collapse would just stimulate the desire to own FRN's. FRN's are more likely to lose value from steady increases in the money supply, but not any hyper-inflation.
Liberty isn't given to us; it is taken by us, and if not, we will not have it.
ok
Ok you take your likely double market growth before the elections and i'll take my market collapse and massive gains from shorting the market. In november I'll take a nice vacation with my thousands in gains and think about your bad bet while sipping on french red wine and enjoying my high rise Parisian view.
"Ok you take your likely
"Ok you take your likely double market growth before the elections and i'll take my market collapse and massive gains from shorting the market. In november I'll take a nice vacation with my thousands in gains and think about your bad bet while sipping on french red wine and enjoying my high rise Parisian view."
LOL - Don't know why I remembered this... How are your shorts doing freestater?
You might be long FAZ calls
You might be long $FAZ calls and $SDS on margin into the weekend. Come Sunday evening, futures might be down 20 on some bad news.
You might even go to sleep dreaming of the coin to be had. Visions of grandeur and accomplishment will flood your thoughts. Instead of wearing Chinese man delivery shirts, you might be able to afford 250 stitch count suits that hardly feel like table cloths.
Then BAM! The news will come and you will be frightened from it. At first, you will be in deep denial, proclaiming the central bank plan to be "absurd" or "stupid." You will tell others that "all this does it kick the can down the road." But deep down, you will know what will come next.
The executioner will come to your house and cut your fucking brains out from your head. The market will rip higher by more than 500 in a single session; and it will happen on an options expiration day to boot–just to fuck you a little bit harder.
LOL! I remember that day!
It was tough...oh...you weren't talking to me?
Finally this election thing is over and we can get on with the collapse of our currency forthwith!
also
May I also note a friend of mine who works at Fidelity Investments invested heavily in this fake tech boom since December and is getting crushed now, I warned him to take profits and get out, but alas, you can't save everyone.
The problem with those
The problem with those inverse ETFs is that they decay over time and if it is a leveraged etf like $TZA or $FAZ the whipsaw volatility of the market will erase any gains.
I don't think the bears or the bulls have an edge here. The bears are certainly making a case today, but I highly doubt we will get the crash you are looking for. You seem far too sure of yourself. You have to respect the price action of the market as it currently sits and not try to "outsmart" it. The market can be very humbling. You seem far to complacent, you are already thinking of how you are going to spend your gains because you have "outsmarted" the market. Often whenever something seems obvious, it doesn't work out that way. You are betting against the Fed doing more easing. Not a good bet.
I'm a "lay person" when it comes to all of this but I pay
close attention to these kinds of threads. I don't think anyone here is "looking" for a crash just as much as anyone who drinks and drives is "looking" to drive recklessly and kill someone. It's just that the stage appears to be setting for a crash. At least that's how I take it and again, I'm not an economist or anything.
You know as much as the rest.
Lay persons sometimes have the best insight. There are a lot of crazy architects out there that failed to take the time to hire reliable engineers to build a foundation that will support their structure, therefore when an earthquake, flood or other natural event occurs the building crashes. The laymen that put down the bricks knew when they were building it that it would someday come down, but who are they to confront the architects.
Our economic system is built on a weak foundation, it is in the process of collapsing. Instead of starting to build a better system the economic architects suggest proping up the walls; nobody that I know wants to see the economy collapse, and for this reason Dr. Ron Paul and others suggest competing systems or in other words building a better foundation and eventually abandon the failing system.
grant
You forgot someone
You forgot about the building inspector who has the power to shut the job down....any job, if it is not up to specs!
That man (to me at least) is the Ron Paul man!
" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~
I really like the idea of
I really like the idea of competing currencies. That was one of the things that originally turned me on to Paul.
Markets going round & round! Likeness to a velodrome.
New York Velodrome by Cole Thompson
History of going round & round in the huge New York City Velodrome.
History spins round & round. See for yourself.
Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul ☑
short the markets
If you all truly believe the markets are about to crash ala 2009 I would suggest buying a few ultrashares shorting funds, you will likely make 3-4 times whatever you put in it the Dow and S & P go back to march 2009 levels.
Buy SDS and ride it to 60 bucks a share
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SDS&ql=1
Time to get physical! :-)
Or at least educated! I very highly recommend this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj2s6vzErqY
Sorry it's a long video, but it's very interesting and educational and well worth the time!
If you want something a little shorter (smaller bites at a time), check out this website: http://wealthcycles.com/
Or...what do you think?
Hi there, whoever voted this down. I don't mind that at all, but would you mind telling me why? Do you think what he presents is not a good idea? Would appreciate a response if you have a minute...