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Save Cato !

Hi everyone !

I am a new member. Bonjour from Quebec City ! Let me dedicate my first post ever to the current campaign to save the Cato Institute. Please read this page and share it : http://www.cato.org/SaveCato/cato

It is crucial the Cato Institute stays what it is, one of the best and most respected Think Tank in the world.

Looking forward to keep you informed about the growing Canadian libertarian movement. It's a great community here. I have been a frequent reader for almost a year now and I tought it was time to get on board.

Merci !



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Cato has done some good

Cato has done some good stuff, but my impression is that they have drifted from that.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Thank you, but I still don't

Thank you, but I still don't quite understand why some of you hate Cato so much. You can call them names, but please explain or give us proof. I don't see why they are sooooo bad in your opinion. And by the way, Reason magazine is a good magazine, and Reason.tv is cool. Have a nice day !

CAFTA and NAFTA

And that's only 2 "miscues".

Since inception CATO existed to serve masters having nothing to do with ideology...as did Reason (which wasn't originally a Koch subsidiary).

I can like Penn Jillette and Drew Carey when they perform in their usual jobs and when they speak on issues---and each has used Reason for a platform.

That doesn't mean I need to appreciate the people in power at CATO/Reason.

Sure, they get many things right. I chalk that up to even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then.

They've just got too many things "wrong" by doing exactly what they intended to do.

The supposed ideology is a thin coat to hide a real suspect frame.

Explanation and proof is abundant, and also far too much for any post.

Try Google. Or, just try FEC reports. Follow the money.

The organizations aren't funded and maintained by nice people.

The SAVE CATO thing basically is like a couple of sharks fighting.

Since sharks would eat me if they could I wish them a long, long uninterrupted fight.

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We don't have to...

Everyone here is already well versed in CATO's misbehavior as well as Reason's. And below AnCapMercenary gave you a summary of some of it.

It is clear you have "overly positive" feelings for CATO/Reason. We are natural rights (moral/principle) libertarians (most of us), as is Mises. CATO/Reason are utilitarian libertarians (meaning NOT libertarian but think libertarianism is a useful tool, except when it isn't).

The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

It was a tremendous pleasure for me to be able to go down the

comments to this thread and PLUS+ every comment(except Acadian) of many people with which I have had one or many serious disagreements over the years.

I mean the above as sincerely as I am able.

I completely concur with the sentiment that CATO/Reason cannot go into the dust bin of history fast enough.

Even a kind word for you Acadian-Though your plea in this post gets no sympathy(putting it very mildly) from me-I thank you for the opportunity to bond w/ many of my fellow DPers with whom I sadly do not have that opportunity often enough.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

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lol...

CATO = Socialist/Fascist Wing Of The Libertarian Movement

Good riddance if they die...

The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

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Plus to you wolfe-Call'em as I See'em; regardless of past disagreements.

On this we concur-Screw CATO

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

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Yep... :)

We all may disagree at times... That's why getting us to tow a line is like herding cats... :) But, we are all on the same side.

The disagreements I believe make us all stronger, actually. It allows both parties to sharpen their arguments, and potentially find the best of two viewpoints.

It's why I always think it is important that the arguments be as intellectually honest as possible.

The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

Never personal w/ me

unless I think the person I am having a heated discussion with is:

A. An agent of the forces we are fighting

B. A "patriot" that is working an agenda other than straight LIBERTY for ALL-Like trying to use the movement for personal power, personal enrichment.

You are neither wolfe :-)

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Cato is a tool

of the elites.

My goal was to bring

My goal was to bring awareness of what is going on at Cato right now,
not to get drawn into the Cato.org vs Mises.org fight. It's your right
to dislike Cato, but it's also the right of others to think they are helpful, altough in a more establishment friendly manner. Anyway...thanks for welcoming me !

Screw Cato!

"In 2007–2008 some of the higher ups at the Cato Institute helped orchestrate a vicious smear campaign against Ron Paul and his supporters. Unlike them, Ron never supported the 'PATRIOT Act' and the occupation of Afghanistan. He wants to abolish the Fed; they pretend to be interested in 'improvin' the Fed. They want to 'work with' the Washington establishment; Ron wants to abolish as much of that establishment as possible. He is a traditional, live-and-let-live libertarian on social issues. Unlike the Catoites, he is not a libertine, and he sees no need to champion the causes of taking drugs, sleeping around, prostitution, etc., etc.; he simply thinks government should leave people alone who do such things. This enrages the Catoites. Cato's grand poobah, Ed Crane, even walked out of his own board meeting recently in protest of two 'social conservatives' that were placed on his board.

"Now along comes the pathetic and insufferably smarmy David Boaz, vice grand poobah of Cato, to tell Nationalized Public Radio that Senator Rand Paul 'has softer edges than his dad,' which 'helped get him elected to the Senate.' Of course, Ron Paul is many orders of magnitude more influential than his son, despite his 'hard edges.' And he has been elected seventeen times, Boaz. It should also be pointed out that Ron Paul has been infinitely more successful in advancing the ideas of freedom than the Cato Institute has been, which is what really enrages the beltwaytarians."

Link: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/113006.html

Paul ante portas.

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Sorry but F' CATO. It is a neocon suck

buddy. It was infiltrated years ago. WTF! Not only let it go but, flush it down the REPUBLICAN RAT HOLE IT HAS BEEN SPONSORING for years. Good riddance.

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

Good Riddance!

Cato is the pseudo-libertarian court jester of the establishment, I hope they fade away into obscurity, while the uncompromising, principled libertarianism of the Mises Institute replaces it.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

LMAO!!! are you serious!

F Cato! they are a bunch of communists!

CATO...

is a compromise with the neocons.

Libertarians form alliances with the Old Right not neocons. Let CATO die... :)

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Beltway libertarians

In 2007–2008 some of the higher ups at the Cato Institute helped orchestrate a vicious smear campaign against Ron Paul and his supporters. Unlike them, Ron never supported the "PATRIOT Act" and the occupation of Afghanistan. He wants to abolish the Fed; they pretend to be interested in "improving" the Fed. They want to "work with" the Washington establishment; Ron wants to abolish as much of that establishment as possible.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/113006.html

I thought CATO is a shadow of

I thought CATO is a shadow of the CFR to fool Libertarians? If I am not mistaken, they at one time endorsed Netwer while he was a Congress Critter. Correct me if I am wrong. Hannity thinks they are just grand, so I would believe the opposite.

There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan

"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr

I believe Cato never endorses

I believe Cato never endorses candidates, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Cato's President wrote this very good article in the WSJ a few months ago about Dr. Paul : http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020463220457712...

Welcome Acadian!

While it's a minor point of contention to those newly discovering Koch Bros' CATO/Reason and Mises and libertarian/voluntaryist/minarchist/Anarcho-Capitalist movement in general, you may come across a lot of Mises vs. CATO feud over time. And while in the aggregate none of this political sub-faction dispute matters, it's only relevant to at least be aware of where all the feud originated.

It's not because CATO has some principled long standing policy of not endorsing any candidate, per se, but it's because of a long standing feud with Dr. Paul and the Mises Institute vs. Koch Bros, Ed Crane and CATO.

So don't be surprised to find that among hard core R3VOLutionaries who've been around since 2007, and knew of Dr. Paul's works prior to that, you're not gonna find too many fans of Koch Bros' 'KOCHtopus' operations like CATO/Reason. But more pointedly, many here DESPISE them precisely because they were 100% behind the orchestrated newsletters smear campaign in 2007-2008.

It's your first day, and you've started your first foray here by stepping into a landmine. Welcome, and good luck. LOL

No really, welcome to DailyPaul and the R3VOLution. Hopefully your views will encompass beyond those of CATO's and are open to other flavors as well and see where all that leads.D

http://www.dailypaul.com/235891/rare-1989-video-dr-paul-spea...
http://www.dailypaul.com/235891/rare-1989-video-dr-paul-spea...
Cato Institute Historically Has Rejected Ron Paul

Koch Bros' CATO finally capitulates: Ron Paul IS important to the libertarian movement!

For those who may not be familiar, the reason why I say that is because until this election cycle, Dr. Paul has NEVER been invited to speak at CATO, if you can believe that. Yes, Dr. Paul, the most famous libertarian/voluntaryist alive, the man whom single-handedly inspired a whole new generation of people WORLDWIDE, provided more 'liberty gateway drug' for them than anyone alive or passed-on, has never spoke at the self-professed libertarian institution most famous in DC.

In fact I believe Rand spoke at CATO before Ron did (for those who know for certain, please correct me).

Granted it's a bit too inside baseball, but like all political movements, we've had our share of sub-faction disputes. And the most notable is the Mises vs. Koch Brothers' CATO/Reason: it's all due to the co-founder of CATO, the anarcho-capitalist extraordinaire Murray N. Rothbard vs. Koch Bros. split

There's a reason why CATO/Reason worships statist corporatist pro-FED. Reserve Chicago School's Milton Friedman, but they never, rarely if ever, mention Mises, or Rothbard, or anyone else associated with Lew Rockwell, including Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul.

Peter Schiff so far has always been sort of a 'bridge' between the two, cross-attending both institute's conferences.

So when CATO's Libertarianism.org puts up a classic video of Dr. Paul AT their own official YouTube page, the Koch boys are definitely riding the winds of change.

Certainly, it's a minor petty point for those just learning about libertarianism, but for the O.G.'s, some wounds haven't healed. Just a reference, for those who maybe curious, 'tis all.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Welcome aboard

Welcome aboard northern neightbor! Greetings from the relatively close domain of Ohio=)

Seriously???

Why hasn't CATO supported Dr Paul???

because they're Kochtopus faketarians who have a long term

feud with Dr. Paul and the Mises Institute.

Cato Institute Historically Has Rejected Ron Paul

Koch Bros' CATO finally capitulates: Ron Paul IS important to the libertarian movement!

For those who may not be familiar, the reason why I say that is because until this election cycle, Dr. Paul has NEVER been invited to speak at CATO, if you can believe that. Yes, Dr. Paul, the most famous libertarian/voluntaryist alive, the man whom single-handedly inspired a whole new generation of people WORLDWIDE, provided more 'liberty gateway drug' for them than anyone alive or passed-on, has never spoke at the self-professed libertarian institution most famous in DC.

In fact I believe Rand spoke at CATO before Ron did (for those who know for certain, please correct me).

Granted it's a bit too inside baseball, but like all political movements, we've had our share of sub-faction disputes. And the most notable is the Mises vs. Koch Brothers' CATO/Reason: it's all due to the co-founder of CATO, the anarcho-capitalist extraordinaire Murray N. Rothbard vs. Koch Bros. split

There's a reason why CATO/Reason worships statist corporatist pro-FED. Reserve Chicago School's Milton Friedman, but they never, rarely if ever, mention Mises, or Rothbard, or anyone else associated with Lew Rockwell, including Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul.

Peter Schiff so far has always been sort of a 'bridge' between the two, cross-attending both institute's conferences.

So when CATO's Libertarianism.org puts up a classic video of Dr. Paul AT their own official YouTube page, the Koch boys are definitely riding the winds of change.

Certainly, it's a minor petty point for those just learning about libertarianism, but for the O.G.'s, some wounds haven't healed. Just a reference, for those who maybe curious, 'tis all.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

BINGO!!!

CATO is a fake controlled opposition Officially Sanctioned Spokestank for the libertarian POV. Reason is about as bad, I cut my subscription to that rag after about 6 months. CATO sounds good at first to the Neophyte just awakening libertarian. Then you start to notice that they support various atrocious laws and statist excuses. They are a bunch of quislings. Not only that, they come off as snotty and condescending. And tthe worst thing is that they are mean to Ron Paul!!!!
A pox on the lot of them!

I forgot to add:

CATO sucks!!