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Should Ron Paul Supporters Apply for Food Stamps?

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With the recent 'controversy' over Dr. Paul receiving and accepting his Social Security Insurance payments, I've 'bumped' this thread back into the conversation:

QUESTION:

Should Ron Paul supporters apply for food stamps, housing assistance, energy assistance, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera???

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Would you prefer

parasites to Ron Paul supporters? ; )

About 50 percent of American households receive some form of government assistance.

http://www.inquisitr.com/320718/50-percent-of-american-house...

I Understand The...

...context of the post. It is the tying to being a 'follower' of a man that I find curious.

It is akin to speaking to someone and identifying oneself as 'a Ron Paul supporter', rather than as a 'Liberty-advocate', or saying, 'I am a Chuck Baldwin supporter', rather than 'I am a constitutionalist'.

I will set aside the issue of socialist security, since although it is in the same category, there is a specific theft for that specific redistribution and that makes the equation a bit more complicated.

I primarily, in this instance, reference food-stamps, subsidized housing, subsidized utilities and a plethora of other theft & redistributive programs......

That said, the known fact that such a vast number of people/households are parasitic to other people is no excuse or reason to rationalize or justify that it is ethical, moral or philosophically consistent to be such a grubber/parasite.

Nobody has any claim on the fruits of my labor, whether those fruits are stolen first by government to redistribute, or if stolen directly from me by that particular grubber/parasite.

Gotcha!

I'm not a fan of the collectivist political system called socialism either.
Unfortunately, the flawed system keeps growing like a malignant cancer.
Hopefully to its ultimate doom, soon.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Excellent point

Social Security at this point is intergenerational theft.

I would be inclined to be more forgiving to someone who is having trouble making ends meet taking food stamps than to someone - and this is beyond just Ron Paul - who is wealthy enough to not need money taking social security.

I know one guy here in Boston who owns 5 rental houses, free and clear with a monthly income over $6,000 in cash who pockets $1,200 per month in Social Security.

He doesn't need the money. Meanwhile, millions of young people who are struggling to make ends meet are having money forcibly confiscated from their paychecks monthly.

Truly, it is a moral outrage. Where is YAL on this issue?

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who's to say he doesn't

who's to say he doesn't donate that money to needful organizations? moreover, it was his money to begin with, he is rightfully taking it back.

Isn't it weird?

'People like you' is a compliment, but,

'I like people like you' is an insult...

No doubt people like you may not agree.

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-Allen Ginsberg

I no longer have a job. I

I no longer have a job. I have decided that I might as well take unemployment to offset any money they might take from me for income tax.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

It Doesn't Matter What People "Should" Do

What matters is what people WILL do.

And when the government dangles money in front of us, we will take it. Because who wouldn't?

It's all part of their game.

No, you must be finger

No, you must be finger printed to apply. Only an idiot would submit to that.

Dial up Q-Branch for some

Dial up Q-Branch for some fake fingerprints. Works every time. ;-)

when needs be,

the devil rides out.

changing the broken system is a 1 in a 1,000,000,000,000,000

But keep on trying never give up.
In the mean time DRAIN EVERY PENNY YOU CAN FROM IT.

When there is no money left in the broken system it turns into nothing and we win:)

I was sick and tired of trying to teach friends and family about freedom and losing them left and right (I went about it the right way as so many of us do.) So now it is easier to break the system they love. To help them from a different angle.

But that is just my thoughts.

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I briefly thought about

I briefly thought about applying for food stamps, "free" food", can't do it! Maybe that's why I am so skinny! WWRPD?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

WOW, downvoted for refusing

WOW, downvoted for refusing to suck on the government tit!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Of course you should. You

Of course you should. You were forced to pay taxes to the government to fund this very service. Whether you agree with these social programs or not, you should try to get as much of your tax money back in whatever form it is offered, such as food stamps.

Just like Dr. Paul would vote against spending bills that directed funds back to his district. He was against the spending bill, but would try to get as much money back in the bill if it passed. In the same way, most of us are against this system of taxing for social programs, but we have no choice to pay taxes, so why shouldn't we get our money back?

So the logic of populists

is this: telling a thief who had stolen your money "Hey, you had stolen my money by force authorized by others (majority.) Now I authorize you to steal from others and give me back 10%. In that case, you will be 10% legal, from my Libertarian point of view. If 100% Libertarians do the same, you will get 100% legal approval from us, the Libertarians, oops, I mean populists."

holy necromonsters batman

Now that that's out of the way. If you pay into a 401k, then retire, do you just leave the money there? No. It's your own damn money. Obviously one is optional and the other is taken by force of law (unless you are fortunate enough to get paid cash all your life but that's not in question here). Opposing social security and taking money from it is not hypocrisy if you've been forced to pay into it your entire life. Yes, he COULD be an activist and leave it but that's like loaning someone money at gun point and never asking for the money back. This was brought up to attack Ron and try and make him look like a hypocrit. Argument is really invalid.

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If a person is struggling that much financially, then

yes, he/she should apply for food stamps and other assistance. Don't be a martyr. Personally, I am NOT a purist Libertarian. I believe in a strong but responsible safety net.

we paid for it therefore its yours...

Ron Paul is trying to wean ourselves off this drug.

YES

I'm sick of this one guy sitting on the corner, "spare change for some food today..."

F off go get food stamps!

Food Stamps are child's play compared to the Fed loaning money to our government, which is what we should be focused on, food stamps are a distraction from the biggest problem.

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Alms for a buzz

Most of the panhandlers in my city spend their spare change on booze or drugs.
The mission provides hot meals daily.

When rational faculty

is subservant to blind beliefs in miracles or emotions, then the role of rational faculty becomes rationalizing dogmas, not thinking. Your rationalization above is in line with socialist-progressives who argue that "a hungry man has the RIGHT to steal from the rich since the rich steal even more; and if the hungry man steals not for himself but for his hungry children, then no moral objections can be made."

How is getting something that

How is getting something that you pay for stealing? Do you consider using the post office stealing since you pay for that with your tax dollars? What about driving on the roads you pay for? You seem very confused.

Do not dream like socialists

otherwise, you start preaching "common good" yourself. An administrative cost of non profit groups is usually 40-97% of revenue. Our government's best is 50%. So, in a perfect world, you can get only 50% what you pay. But you pay for others who do not pay, for the interest the government owes for money borrowed and spent on previous generations and for projects designed for "common good." So empty talk may sound rational, but it is not. People who themselves accept extendend unemployment and other perks just need to rationalize their actions to feel "normal" or "decent" to their own super ego. Otherwise, self-esteem is gone.

It seems you are the one

consumed by dogma. Accepting assistance that taxpayers want to be made available to those in need is NOT stealing. You pay some taxes into the safety net now, but tomorrow you may need to draw on them yourself. I want my tax money to go toward supporting people who truly need it (and not toward unnecessary wars).

What I cannot accept is our government inviting the whole world into America to enjoy our generosity in the form of illegal immigration and excessive legal immigration of every indigent, their children and grandparents, aunts, uncles, brothers, etc.

My tax money is intended to support OUR people, meaning authentic, native-born Americans and small numbers of legal foreign residents with legal jobs who happen to fall on hard times, not everybody in the world, for Christ's sake!

If you are a Blue Republican or

a populist then you are right. You are like 98% of Americans today. Demand more safety net with good rationalization and excuse. But your tax dollars are gone (oops, none is left) because other people like you had made similar claims generations before you. Therefore, the government can only print more money to accommodate your "reason" and demands. Then, predictably, inflation will make people even more poor and more people demand safety net. When the circle of poverty becomes big enough, then it is a perfect time to start whining about bankers and Zionists to ease mental anxiety.

This thread will give an outside observer

a good perspective who is who in Libertarian movement. I am not talking about absence of rational clarity and presence of wide spread confusion. That is given since Dr. Paul, Dr. Rothbard or Jesus had not provided direct instructions on the issue.

This thread also proves that Ayn Rand was 100% right, again. If you detach morality from reason, then "moral" person is not the one who promotes freedom.

We were just talking about this

Today and I'm am still of the mindset that you ... LEAD BY EXAMPLE

( Be the change you want to see )
Could I use the help?
Of course

Do I need the help? - I can still do it on my own !!!

Liberty forbid the day I need the government to put food into my belly

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Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

meekandmild's picture

get all the govt assistance you can

they will just print more assistance.

Cyril's picture

Yes, that's how it works

Yes, that's pretty much how that works.

And in the end, everybody gets ripped off anyway, with the fruits of their sweat wasted or stolen via fake monopoly money.

Except for the planners who can't create anything but this very plunder.

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