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Should Ron Paul Supporters Apply for Food Stamps?

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With the recent 'controversy' over Dr. Paul receiving and accepting his Social Security Insurance payments, I've 'bumped' this thread back into the conversation:

QUESTION:

Should Ron Paul supporters apply for food stamps, housing assistance, energy assistance, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera???

(Previous content referencing Atlas Shrugged has been submitted as a comment below)

http://www.dailypaul.com/237450/should-ron-paul-supporters-a...



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The question is silly.

Should he breathe air the EPA helped to clean? Call the cops or fire department? Should he walk on government sidewalks? I'd say don't be ridiculous but it's too late.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

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Tangentially relevant

I guess this information is tangentially relevant, btw (i.e., maybe useful to be aware of) :

http://www.dailypaul.com/262744/food-stamps-once-associated-...

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Dammitt.. It's already YOUR money!!!

You and your employer already paid for social security and food stamps with your taxes... It's YOUR money! The government takes that money and uses it towards their own ends...

Same with Food Stamps. It's already paid for... Do you have a right to use your own money, or does the government have that right...

And what raise the taxes on

And what raise the taxes on someone that makes to much to receive them? You all say suck the system dry what the hell do you think is going to happen when the system goes dry? It's going to take more and more from the tax payers the best way is to lead by example I am 20 years old and I work at McDonald's I have a 37$ budget for food for every 2 weeks

why are you working at McDonalds

You seem to be a fairly bright individual. Bright enough to make a budget at the very least, which sadly seems to be above par. What is your current circumstance that you work for McDonalds (I suppose for minimum wage, but maybe you are a manager or career oriented?) since you seem to despise your current line of work. Is there some talent or skill that you possess that would allow you to do better for yourself? The key is to work for yourself in some useful field, remember, whoever you work for is underpaying you. If they weren;t they wouldn't hire you since you didn;t produce more of value than you are paid. The world is a great place (even today) so chin up my friend, go become a rich man.

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Of course you should

This is not too different than the idea of earmarks. The money they take from us gets spent one way or another, we should try to get as much back to people as they will allow us. We should take our tax breaks and take advantage of programs the government offers, but we should also not vote for them. It is not hypocritical to be forced to play by rules we did not choose and then to use those rules to the best of our advantage. The hypocrisy only comes when we don't strive to change those rules. From a more human and psychological angle though, it can be pretty tough to not have your principles influenced when you play this game.

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This attitude is what

This attitude is what precisely creates the welfare state. This is what creates deficits.

I always hate this argument that "we didn't choose the rules".

Actually, you did, when you choose to live in the US and keep your US citizenship.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

So if we don't like it

we should leave?

That sounds like what the enemy says to us a lot.

edit: damnit just saw this was from months ago. Apologies.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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So what is the alternative

So what is the alternative then?

Life isn't perfect, life isn't fair. You live in this country. These are the rules. There are ways to change them, and there are ways to leave the country and no longer live by those rules.

You can't be served your expected society/government on a silver platter.

Look, we say this all the time when it comes to other things. You have genes that make you dumb? Live it with; work around it! You grew up poor? Live with it, work around it!

Those are all things that people don't choose. You don't choose so many things in life, both technically and literally (well, literally, you choose nothing).

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

The alternative is to enable the state's suicide

You're right we don't have a choice, so why fight it? Enable the states suicide, while fighting for it's change and educating people. Either way we win.

You in effect are enabling the state, and it's actions by not accepting its "help". The quicker we bankrupt the system the better. I don't oppose your or others independence, I love it! However, I don't condemn others taking advantage of a system that has hindered their ability to participate in the market.

This is just my opinion though.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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No, I mean that you can fight

No, I mean that you can fight it.

But stoop moaning about how "you didn't choose it". You are never going to be able to live in a world where everything is a pure result of choice.

"Enable the states suicide, while fighting for it's change and educating people...You in effect are enabling the state, and it's actions by not accepting its "help". The quicker we bankrupt the system the better"

I love the way this logic allows you to get federal aid, and still call for its end. I feel that these two goals are mutually exclusive...you can't educate people on the dangers of the state while simultaneously taking food stamps and welfare....you lose credibility.

It is just like the tea partiers who want to end all government, EXCEPT Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and unemployment. You lose credibility.

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Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

This is the public services

This is the public services argument that the liberals use all the time. "If you use the state monopolized system you are supportive of it, and if you criticize it you lose credibility!"

I hope you ride your bike through the woods to get to work or you lose credibility.

The argument is ridiculous.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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And I hate your argument

Your attitude sucks

we were born into this system

we are not hypocrites because we participate.We were never given the choice. Liberals (modern type) just like to throw that in our face. If I were thrown into the Gulag does that mean I support political prison.Oh yeah and we drive on roads(I'm such a statist).
The key would be to develop a voluntary, accountable social safety net. Although I believe in self reliance, I also believe in voluntary associations. If people wish to pool their resources to help each other that is a worthy goal. The problems come when the system is forced on people and unaccountable bureaucrats distribute the resources at the will of politicians. Meanwhile the people who fund it are allowed no say in how the money is spent.

I say everyone take advantage

I say everyone take advantage of the system so it comes crashing down. Only then can there be freedom.

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To be honest I have thought of it, but never acted to do so...

I am a 19 year old community college student and I have not found my first job yet and I had thoughts about going on welfare, but I am just way to proud to go on such a thieving program. I am just continuing on my quest to find a menial job, but I want to ask this. Is it okay for a Ron Paul supporter to accept minimum wage from an employer or put it down on an application for the salary desired?

"When the people fear the government there is tyranny, but when the government fears the people there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson

Why would it ever be wrong to

Why would it ever be wrong to do either? You may sell your time and labor for any price you wish to sell it for - that's all wages are. So, you can sell low (to undercut the competition) or you can sell it higher, if you think it's worth more and think you can get someone to pay it.

There is always a choice...do it or not do it but don't

pretend that you were forced. That puts the responsibility on someone else. Don't make excuses, own your actions.

And, yes, I've had some really down times and thought of applying for food stamps. I didn't. I couldn't. I hope I never need them.

But I don't begrudge others that do - if they really need it. Problem is there are millions of moochers and freeloaders in the system, which spoils it for the truly needy.

Some have no choice

I'm a disabled senior who supports Dr. Paul.

It's interesting to read these responses, almost as though it's a choice for you.

We had no choice

And we HATE IT!!!
No jobs here
Housing waiting list is like 4.5 years long..and thats the short list
We have 4 weeks left..if my husband cant get a job, homelessness here we come. And at our age...this wont be easy..
To poor to move..to poor to stay
And we're not as bad off as so many are today.
I see it as a blessing for what we do have.

A friend told me about an illegal couple that lives down the road from her here...they about 15 or 20 years younger than us...both work under the table...rent a nice house, got 2 nice cars..no kids..and they getting about 275.00 a month in Food Stamps plus an energy check to help with the summer/winter power bill..the check is about 800.00..(its a once a year thing)..she knows this because she speaks spanish..and they had her translate a few things for them..(we get 146.00 month and no energy check)

This pisses me off cause my husband is a Navy Vet..messed his hands up while serving..over time they getting worse..he gets 20% disability (under 250.00 a month) The doctors told us hes getting worse and needs to get a job where he doesnt have to use his hands!! (WTF..wheres THAT job?) The doctor also informed us because of new guide lines Obama put in...they are not allowed to report hes worse. (Oh yeah..hes got a lawyer..a JAG lawyer)Ive said it before and will keep saying it...We believe because we support Paul openly (stickers on the car..all over our FB and my Twitter) it makes it so much harder for him..BUT WE WILL NOT STOP!!! Our grandsons future is at stake...We cant sit back and do nothing..

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Take the food stamps, the

Take the food stamps, the checks and whatever else you can get back from those bloodsuckers and feel (somewhat) vindicated when eating that big, fat steak you buy with the stamps. If I could get them, I would not hesitate.

Hmm..

I don't have a wife and kids yet, but I can imagine that I would do everything in my power to provide for them. If there was no other option, for the sake of my loved ones I would take the benefits, even if I don't believe they are right. I believe a man's obligation to his family is paramount. Let's be clear, my scenario is that every other option has been exhausted and there's nothing left to do. Putting aside philosphical political thought, and focusing on the fact that the morality of providing for the ones you are closest to and have taken vows with is the correct choice. On my own however? I don't and wouldn't take government assistance... there's plenty of charities and family members I can turn to.

Why not? If you have ever paid taxes, your taxes go for this...

crap. Besides, the more of us who exploit every government benefit the faster we crash the corrupt system. Use the money you save with food stamps to buy plenty of rope and wood to build gallows for the elites.

lol

Yeah Thumbs up!

I struggled with this same question

When I was unemployed and totally broke. I had no choice and it was like agony for me to file and receive those benefits. A few of my friends ribbed me about it some in a gentle way. They helped me to understand that all of those years paying into the system were for exactly this moment....when I needed help. It really made me question the libertarian pov on the social safety net and quite honestly I still struggle with this one piece of the puzzle. As a matter of fact, I had a spirited debate with a liberal/socialist today about the whole RP ss thing. My point to him and to you OP is that if the govt wasn't taking sooooo much of my money I could save for retirement and I would be more than happy to buy insurance for my kids. Currently the only aid I am eligible for is insurance for my kids. I am just sh*t out of luck for insurance for myself. Company doesn't offer it and even if they did the cost would be prohibitive.

Basically what I am trying to say is... we are stuck with the economy, jobs situation, outrageous healthcare premiums, etc that the govt has dealt us (or that the asleep citizens have allowed). So we must do what we must do to survive but we can work with all our might to make it a better day for our children...so maybe they won't have to rely on the system that in the end enslaves them.

The banking system is a ponzi scheme

and was setup for failure. I think they the rich bankers knew it in 1910 when the great lie was set upon the American people. It is nothing more than a great mirage if you chose not to to be part of it, It will die!

They the rich banksters are busy setting the rest of their schemes. Obamacare is set to chip every American by 2014, if we allow it. All the new laws set in place in the past 2 years were enacted to force this on every American. Lets see how many will refuse when a Military road block is in place checking for the chip.

I only hope the system goes bankrupt before they are ready! So do get what ever you need, it was all set up on a lie to steal from the American people anyway.

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If you qualify, if you need

If you qualify, if you need it, take it. You paid into it. It's supposed to be there to help when you need it.

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Yes

Because the system is going down,therfore it is our job to help that come about legally of course, and if you feel bad about it give some of the food away to charity.

Dr. Paul doesn't believe in

Dr. Paul doesn't believe in earmarks, but because it is the system he lives in, he believes he should put in for his district's share so they get some of their money back.

The same applies to this.