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HOT: Gary Johnson Interview - Just How Libertarian is Gary Johnson?

New Gary Johnson interview with Robert Wenzel from EconomicPolicyJournal.com


Robert Wezel: "What is your favorite Murray Rothbard book?"
Gary Johson: (after saying he had read Rothbard earlier in the inverview) "If I said I had read Murray Rothbard, I have NOT read Murray Rothbard."

Robert Wenzel: "What about Ludwig von Mises?"
Gary Johnson: "well uhh.. you know I have just read excerpts from Von Mises; look Bob if your out to catch me you've got me, you know you've got me, hook line sinker, you know I'm not sure.."

Robert Wenzel: "What about Henry Hazlit, do you have a favorite of one of his books?"
Gary Johnson: (Changes the subject, I guess he couldn't remember "Economics in One Lesson" at the time.)
(Then comes back with) "...Henry Hazlitt, no I have no read Henry Hazlitt."

Listen to the whole thing here:

(Mods I would appreciate an embed)

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is this a gary johnson forum

I would rather bring back the rand bashing versus this shit.

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At least Rand has read von Mises

I agree.

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Update on Gary Johnson Reading List

This is from Robert Wenzel's blog http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/ at 7:35 AM 4
Sunday, June 10, 2012
Report Gary Johnson is Reading 'Economics In One Lesson'
Nathan Kleffman emails:

I just came back from the Libertarian Party of Texas' convention, where I met Gary Johnson for the 2nd time. I handed him two of my favorite books, and told him that I thought that he would be a better libertarian if he read them. I am pleased to report that he rejected my gift of Economics in One Lesson, because he already has a copy and he said he is half way through it. He accepted For a New Liberty, thanked me for it, and assured me he will read it.

With the Paul / Willard firestorm going on, I'm really hoping the libertarian movement abandons the pipe dream of taking over the pro-war, pro-death, big government Republican Party, and instead move in droves to the Libertarian Party, where we finally have a realistic chance of getting not just 5%, but double digits. If we get Johnson to 15%, he will be in the debates with Barry and Willard. I hope you view this as a good thing, as I do.

Great news. Go Gary!

This is actually old news

He's begun to read stuff like this. I don't think this is an argument against him anymore, but rather it was just a wake up call for him, and it was thankfully early enough so that it will probably not matter all that much in October.

Early enough? Did GJ first

Early enough? Did GJ first hear about Ron Paul this past October? How can GJ be considered as the one to pass the torch to when he does not know about these very important issues.

New Video Ad for Gary Johnson

Here is the new video ad from Gary Johnson "Be Libertarian With Me"


Watch it and think about it. It is effective and resonates because it is sounding an alarm about America. I wish Ron Paul was going to be the Republican Party nominee but he has conceded in writing to us that he will not be. His son has endorsed Mitt Romney on national TV. Lets get real and start working for the advocate for liberty who can get into the debates and will be on the ballot in all 50 states. I will never vote for Romney or Obama.

keep trying to spin that email

You know Ron Paul has not conceded. Once again find the concession in the speech he gave the very next day. You can't he clearly is not dropping out. In fact this speech got him more delegates.


Gary Johnson == Bob Barr

So ask yourself, what DON'T "The Powers That Be" want you to do? Then lets do that, do this:

- Publicly Blog and Speak Support for Rand Paul.

- Publicly Blog and Speak Support for Ron Paul.

- Say HELL NO to Mitt Flip flopp'n Romney, HELL NO!

- Let these bastards know that it is RON PAUL or you ain't going to waste your gas in November.


I think I've seen this post before...

Do you just keep taking the same post and add a different title each time?

( Also, "The Powers That Be" also probably don't want Gary Johnson to have a large turnout over the summer and then in November. They've already "taken care of" Ron Paul, in their minds, but Gary Johnson is still very much a threat to them )

And so it begins....

Libertarians commence eating their young -- as they do every election year.....

Has he read the CONSTITUTION??

If so then all set to go. I think RP would agree.


Ron Paul doesn't want to run 3rd party

so why not vote for Gary Johnson, why vote for Romney or Obama, why vote for your enemy?

Wenzel was such an asshole.

Wenzel was such an asshole.

My favorite comment from a YouTuber:
"Gary have you read this really boring book?" "No, sorry, I was too busy climbing fucking mountains and living an enjoyable life...But like I said, I want to end the Fed, end the foreign interventionism, and the Patriot Act, promote civil liberties, end the drug war and lower taxes."

This Wenzel clearly thinks that being an expert in economics is more important than liberty. Gary Johnson is actually a much better candidate on some issues such as immigration. It's possible to be a libertarian without being well read on the minutia of libertarian points of view.

"...it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..."

I do feel bad for Johnson being put on the spot like that, and

it wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't well read on "the minutia libertarian points" (whatever that means)... but as the Libertarian candidate for the presidency, who is up against Obama and the Keynesians, it is unacceptable for him not to have at least studied, well, much of anything..

Johnson's obviously just an average joe who happens to identify as a "libertarian". He knows about just as much as the average Democrat or Republican or self-identified liberal or conservative. Just instead of leaning on The NYTimes, or TownHall.com, he leans on Cato.org and kinda sorta reads that every now and then.

The economy and foreign policy are the biggest issues for this upcoming presidency. Perhaps if he had better views on foreign policy I could consider him a bit further. But even that he appears to be clueless about:


No one can find a safe way out if society is sweeping towards destruction. Everyone,in his own interests, must thrust himself vigorously into the intellectual battle. None can stand aside with unconcern; the interests of everyone hang on the result. - LvM


All he really needs to read up on, is the definition of LIBERTY - 1.The state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life.
The upside about him being voted into office is that he finally gets this two-headed dragon (demopublicans) out of the white house, and chooses his most "well-read" LIBERTARIAN financial advisor to install his austrian economics and free-market policies to get this economy back on track :)

You are forgetting that it's

You are forgetting that it's mainstream Americans, not economists with phd's

"...it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..."

Lesser of three evils...

There is no excuse for this - the man is running as a LIBERTARIAN PRESIDENTIAL candidate and he hasn't even read Hazlitt's Economics in one Lesson, one of the most introductory book to free market thinking? It almost sounds like he has never even heard of it! Not only that, but he was giving some typical Keynesian arguments (busts before the central bank - the Tulip bubble etc).

This isn't just a casual everyday libertarian, this is a man whose career is in politics and who is running for president as a libertarian - how is he going to defend a position he hasn't read about except one short book that, even though it changed his entire political philosophy in the 70's, he can't even remember the name of?

He knows nothing about the Austrian Business Cycle theory or the Federal Reserve - yet he just put out a commercial a week or so ago about how he wants to end the Fed? I bet he hasn't even read any of Ron Paul's books either - I'm opting out of this one and writing in Ron Paul.

No one can find a safe way out if society is sweeping towards destruction. Everyone,in his own interests, must thrust himself vigorously into the intellectual battle. None can stand aside with unconcern; the interests of everyone hang on the result. - LvM

Keep in mind that Hazlitt

wrote, for many years, The Nation. Not exactly a "conservative" paper.


Respectful Nod to Ron Paul

Gary Johnson was recently on the Daily Show and was respectful to Ron Paul, which I appreciate. I also liked his statements about ending the war in Afghanistan and the war against drugs as well being opposed to a war with Iran. I am certainly glad we will have him as an option to Romney and Obama.

Re: Respectful Nod to Ron Paul

When Johnson was governor of NM, he did not use his power as governor to end the drug war. He did not pardon non-violent drug offenders or order state police to stop prosecuting NM citizens.

Legalize Marijuana, but "harder drugs should not be legalized," says "libertarian" Gary Johnson:


No one can find a safe way out if society is sweeping towards destruction. Everyone,in his own interests, must thrust himself vigorously into the intellectual battle. None can stand aside with unconcern; the interests of everyone hang on the result. - LvM

An option?

In which fashion?

To Vote For

To vote for for President. In my state write-ins are not counted much less reported. So I want someone to vote for instead of Romney or Obama or being ignored. So I will be happy to vote for Gary Johnson.

GJ greatest gift to voters is that he is

NOT Mitt Romney and he is NOT Barack Obama. That alone ought to get him 10 million votes! It certainly gets my vote. It is a bonus that he has some decent ideas, is a reasonable man, and is honest about what he wants to do.


He is a libertarian but not an Austrian libertarian

This interview shows that GJ is a bonafide libertarian of the minarchist stripe, though not a hardcore libertarian, an Austrian economist, nor an anarcho-capitalist. But it's not the case that's not an Austrian by choice. I get the impression that if he read a bit more, he'd likely get on board.

In any case, what he's offering is WAY better than anything Obama or Romney have to offer, and a vote for GJ will mean and do more for liberty than a write-in for RP.

If we all get behind GJ and manage to help him get 5% or more of the vote, 10% would be awesome, that would be tremendous.

Remember, Ron Paul got 1/2 of 1% in 1988 on the LP ticket. The few who bother to write him in this time around, assuming we don't pull off a win in Tampa, will accomplish even less than those of us who voted for him in 1988.

The real message is and must be about liberty. That's the message that a vote for GJ (or any LP candidate) sends. A write-in vote for RP sends the message that all this is more about the man than the message.

"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."


At least just SAY you'll vote for Johnson

The way the presidential debates work is that each candidate must be polling at 15%. If all Ron Paul voters "said" they were voting for Johnson, then he might clear that threshold and give Libertarians a seat a table with more credibility the next time around. Imagine a scenario where the three parties get camera time at the debates before the election, Obama wins re-election (Johnson can't win and Romney would be running for re-election in 4 years), and then there is a blank slate in 2016. Assuming that everyone is still sick of the other two parties, a Libertarian candidate would have a decent chance of getting honest consideration at the beginning of the election cycle instead of being a throw-away vote after seeing what the other two have to offer.

He's "ok", but he's NOT Ron Paul

Only Ron Paul could amass even greater numbers, if he ran as a 3rd party candidate. Will he? I hope so..I just don't know.

However, I do know RP would INCREASE HIS PERCENTAGE NUMBERS in a national election...BUT maybe he doesn't want the GOP to blame him for their coming MAJOR LOSS.

And, make no mistake about it---the base is NOT enthused about Romney, and he will indeed lose to Obummer. Why? Because the elites already have Obummer "trained". Why bother with Romney..

Thank you. I agree 100%.

I label him as a "natural libertarian", a man who is into action rather than studies... runnning the largest construction company in NM, governing NM, climbing mountains, triathalons, etc. He comes by his beliefs by gut instinct rather than reading and studying. Gary has promised to step aside if RP is nominated by the GOP and has encouraged everyone to support RP in the primaries. He's on our team as the best "Plan B".

I probably won't vote for

I probably won't vote for Johnson, but I think he's a good guy. Some things are a little strange though.


I have to admit, I have never read any books by the authors mentioned above. However, I have read some articles and have listened to many lectures by Rothbard. I majored in economics in college, and realized myself that the theories I was learning were complete nonsense, and that stimulous from governments and central banks do not work in the long run like most college professors claim based on their Keynsian theories. I also paid a lot of attention to what Congress, the executive and legislative branches were doing througout the years between my late years in high school and college. I realized the government was passing laws that benefit beaurcrats while harming the people. I also paid attention to our foreign policy and realized the US had no business doing what it does overseas, and that the wars in the Middle East were based on lies. It was through my own observations that made me a libertarian, not from reading books by Austrian economists. To make the claim that someone is not a libertarian because they do not read books by big named Austrian economists is completely absurd. Being a libertarian is about individualism and thinking for yourself. Sure, Johnson probably does not follow the Austrian school, but that in no way means he is not a libertarian. I consider myself a libertarian and have for years, even though I have not read pieces by these Austiran scholars. Anyone who claims I am not a libertarian because I have not is a sheep.

That is not the claim...

"to make the claim that someone is not a libertarian because they do not read books by big named Austrian economists is completely absurd."

Wenzel interview is very telling. GJ is a wafe, a feather puff of hair.

The FACT is that he has not read 3 or 4 of the most basic ABC books on libertarianism.

The FACT is that he does not know the answer to this question, which all libertarians do know: "What are your natural individual rights?"

The FACT is that he therefore, cannot make sufficiently good libertarian explanations of the positions he holds.

The FACT is that therefore, any philosophically versed progressive socialist will as a result of his ignorance, wipe the floor with him.

The FACT is that because of his knowledge deficit, he is a walking embarrassment.

The FACT is, he can be a walking embarrassment. How much real libertarian political understanding can he convey? How much can he educate those willing to listen and learn? Which is what his fruitless campaign will all be about. Could he teach you, economics major, what the libertarian Economic position is on full drug legalization? No. Can he extrapolate on the reasons for full drug legalization? Apparently not. Can he teach you why the minimum wage hurts the poor economically and why it is also violation of individual rights? No. Should not a libertarian presidential candidate be able to do that much?

Gary has had PLENTY of time to read "Economics in One Lesson" written by Henry Hazlitt and "Libertarianism in One Lesson" written by Dr David Bergland a prior LP candidate in 1984. It takes no more than a day or two to read them. Five minutes in the John for 10 days and you've got it done. Can't find the time? Oh really? Stick in a TALKING BOOK into your car CD player? Still can't find the time? Oh, he must be too busy hiking tall mountains. Sorry Gary, but that is was a waste of time. You could have put it into your ipod and listened to it on the way up.

Its time we in the R3VOLution wish the LP a fast and quick death. It does not assist us in our quest to Re-Brand Liberty inside the 2 party duopoly.


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