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Missouri State Convention Post-mortem - And It's Not Pretty

Alright, so I don't care how many down-votes this gets...But I HAVE to vent this here. Following info I gathered going through Missouri State convention thread.

I’ve had it!!! In St. Charles County, Missouri (Ron Paul clean sweep county for first choice & alternate delegates), there were 294 total delegates – first choice + alternate. Only 140 showed up for State Convention. Where the *^$! were rest of 154 of them?!?! Watching Cartoon Network channel?!?!? I’m so furious, my blood is boiling.

Is this what Brent Stafford went to jail for, in the first St. Charles county caucus? Is this what all patriots donated to moneybombs for, so our delegates would stay home? Don’t they know about sacrifices of all those patriot delegates in Maine, how much they achieved? Couldn’t they appreciate Brent Stafford’s sacrifices?!?!

Final Missouri convention numbers were: 1025 voted on a slate of FASCISM supporting delegates vs. 781 for US Constitution. Remember, the fascists had multiple candidate allegiances with them – Romney + Santorum + Gingrich, all going against supporters of 1 single patriot candidate.

This is making ABSLOUTELY NO SENSE! Is it likely there were some no-shows from Kansas City and St. Louis either? Considering margin of votes above, our no-shows showing up HAD to have bridged the gap. How can this happen?!?! People supporting Ron Paul cause simply DO NOT fail to show up. It just ISN’T supposed to happen. Especially for someone to have motivation to become a delegate, but not showing up at the most critical time? To me, this amounts to nothing short of treason. There is too much at stake here. The Republic is on the verge of a collapse.

Has this campaign been sabotaged from the inside – with Benton & Tate issuing absurd press releases? Doug Wead has gone TOTALLY SILENT both on his blog as well as Facebook.

I have been on record in other places, defending those campaign guys of playing a "Possum" strategy. But "Play Possum" can only work if all our delegates show up en-mass for conventions. NOT if the delegates themselves start doing "Play Possum".

You know, after the euphoria of Nevada + Maine + Minnesota, things have suddenly stopped making any sense whatsoever. It’s almost like the wheels have come off the rails at the most glorious point of our campaign. [Talking about built up frustration of Arizona & Washington convention as well.]

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do you have a database to

do you have a database to keep messaging them on their cell phones? people are LAZY.

Patriots are 1%, and the 3% of that 1% have to run things. That includes getting the 1% to show up.

Remember a couple of weeks ago the campaign PR....

....said that Romney won and they'll continue, but they aren't campaigning anymore?

For the non-die-hard supporters, why would they spend their time and money to cross the state for a candidate who just said he quit? This is exactly what I said would happen and it did happen.

I'm really sorry, but the reason I was so animated about it was for EXACTLY the same reasons you are here., because I knew EXACTLY THIS would happen.

http://www.dailypaul.com/233599/jesse-please-just-shut-up

Ron Paul could come back and campaign again.

Will Ron Paul speak at any more state conventions ? He could restart his campaign to encourage the delegates or show up at more conventions to pre-speak.

Thanks for the hard work

See you in Tampa

smile and dial....voice to voice is 1000 times more effective

call, don't text and email, make the call to bring in the troops!

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Very true.

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE WHAT THIS PERSON SAYS.

He said it is one THOUSAND times more powerful and it is.

And in-PERSON face-to-face meeting is 1000 times more powerful than voice.

One of the reasons they may

One of the reasons they may have stayed home is that most people don't want to be associated with people like you who call everyone y09u disagree with fascists.

Just a thought. A bad thought for you...I realize it is not good to hear that you are a pathetic piece of shit that people don't want to be around. But better to hear it no than to die a lonely man, most likely by your own hand.

Say, 'Good Night'

Har

I don't think that's the reason... this was posted after it was

over. I'm voting this up. Shame on people who will not assume responsibility. Winning takes individuals who have at least some mentality of leadership. I'm sure they asked for $ to participate, but oh well, life is tough. I see -0- excuse for these no shows. Disgusting. "In the beginning of a change the PATRIOT is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it COSTS nothing to be a patriot. The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice -- and always has been." Mark Twain in "Mark Twain's Notebook," 1935, page 394

You are seriously

ill.

Don't pin your hopes, dreams and faith on people...

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When ANYONE steps up and protects freedom...support them!
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Alternate

All the alternates that came were chosen, there may have been a few CD that did not use up all their alternates. I was an alternate that was used. For all other states alternates are very important. I still think the message we got prior to the convention from Missouri RP headquarters was confusing and a downer. The CD conventions were bad also, we did not have enough at the district level. I wish I would have done more at the local caucus, our area was tough to crack. .... So many club members ..... Who thought we were intruders. 2016. ..... Go to the club and influence the next 4 years. ...... I know I will be one that keeps going to those club meetings. That's the only way to crack the establishment by infiltrating at the local level. ... Long process if you are thinking 2012 ... Goes by fast ... I've been at it since 2007 , but I know some diehards who have been at it since RP first ran .....

Yes, some didn't show, but that wasn't why we lost

I was on the floor doing lots of number calculating with the core group. We didn't loose because some didn't show up, we didn't have the numbers even if every delegate and alternate showed.

We lost the convention on March 17th at the County Caucuses. Over 2500 people voted in the Kansas City area for Paul in the meaningless primary - where were they?

We knew the numbers all along. Our hope was that with the recent announcements of the Romney lock on the nomination and the caving in of Santorum, that the establishment types wouldn't show up and we might have a chance between that and being joined by some of the disgruntled Santorum folks. Well, they showed up. (Now, whether everyone was an actual elected delegate or just a write-in by the state committee when they made the furious calls warning about the Ron Paul strategies, I don't know. It happened in '08 - there were people at the convention that were called by the Chairman and his cronies the night before telling them to "get down there" and defeat the Ron Paul people)

Our only shot once we realized that was to try to get a lunch break before the slate voting and hope some didn't come back. Well, they defeated that with a cheating decision by the Chair and the Parliamentarian and drug out the voting 2 hours past the scheduled lunch recess. They knew that too. The video from Santorum telling his people to vote for the Romney slate didn't help either, we lost some of our Santorum coalition.

For the most part they beat us fair and square minus some shenanigans at some rural caucuses.

Without the alternates we would have been in even worse trouble - alternates are the key!

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Wow

I really thought Missouri was a slam dunk...Especially with St Charles, St Louis, St Louis county, KC and Springfield. Very passion caucus's and conventions. Was it a matter of money? Their jobs? It doesn't make any sense unless alot of those delegates were Santorum or Romney pretending to be RP supporters but even then, they still would have shown up at the convention. At my small county caucus, us Ron Paul supporters fought desperately to get the "golden ticket" but the neocons won. It's a shame that so many did not attend because I'm sure there were 10 RP supporters that would have given anything to take there place and be a part of history. I guess we will never but I so wanted a Missouri win for Dr Paul. One good thing though, I believe that Missouri still has 24 out of 25 delegates going to Tampa from the earlier conventions. Let me know if I am wrong

Wow

I really thought Missouri was a slam dunk...Especially with St Charles, St Louis, St Louis county, KC and Springfield. Very passion caucus's and conventions. Was it a matter of money? Their jobs? It doesn't make any sense unless alot of those delegates were Santorum or Romney pretending to be RP supporters but even then, they still would have shown up at the convention. At my small county caucus, us Ron Paul supporters fought desperately to get the "golden ticket" but the neocons won. It's a shame that so many did not attend because I'm sure there were 10 RP supporters that would have given anything to take there place and be a part of history. I guess we will never but I so wanted a Missouri win for Dr Paul. One good thing though, I believe that Missouri still has 24 out of 25 delegates going to Tampa from the earlier conventions. Let me know if I am wrong

Unfortunately, you're wrong.

Unfortunately, you're wrong. We got some measly 4 to 6 delegates from earlier congressional district conventions. I don't remember the exact number, but everything was riding on Saturday's state convention.

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MO Delegate chime in

I cannot sit here and write this and not say, I'm disappointed too. That said, We(MO organization) did not do our work in the last quarter of 2011 and first quarter of 2012. We simply didn't get the numbers to win, nor did we see any type of coop deal come together. You cannot point to the end result and say the last thing that happened is to blame.
If, IMHO, more work/time/effort/cooridination had been put in prior to our local caucus proceedings, we would have had steamroller numbers. But, the 15-40 delegate counties(straight votes for establishment) killed our chances.

I'm not going to sit on my hands and beg for outside/upper level help, that is exactly what I'm fighting against. I say, get off our asses and get into action. Research the hell out of everything/donate every spare nickel, that's great. But not enough physical action, expect to be mad again at the end result.

I'm not mad/upset at anybody, but myself. I could have done more myself. I won't let that happen in the future.

Doomed without Ron Paul

Something has gone badly wrong with the campaign. Why they would come out and tell the world Mitts is the winner makes no sense. I have spent the last year trying to convince family, friends and anyone who would listen that Ron Paul is the answer. Just when it started to look like we had a real chance with the convention the campaign tosses in the towel. I'm really starting to think this is all about setting Rand up for a future in politics. The campaign has always been Mitt friendly but, now it is making me sick! According to Jack Mitts has now saved us in LA.

Now everyone talks about a movement.. What movement? Do you mean like the tea party that was hijacked? What is going to hold this movement together without a leader?

Occupy started out as a movement that could have been great and was quickly taken over and turned into a huge mess. Thousands of members biggest issues are the FED and other great issues yet the press made it out to be about kids wanting free school and other really stupid issues. Without leaders who can keep a movement pure it is doomed.

Speaking for myself I will never vote for Mitts, I think the only thing that makes sense of this is a death threat. I will never believe Ron Paul would give in for any other reason.

All this being said Somehow this Movement better find a leader and soon. We need a way to keep the movement from turning into the hijacked tea party. Without Ron's voice this movement will be taken over by the press and turned into a bunch of hippies who want to legalize pot.

Everyone who says this movement is larger than Ron Paul. You may be correct but without leaders like Ron Paul how much clout will it have? Who will stand up against the press saying we are a bunch of dope smoking kids. BTW I'm 45 years old. How many of the new GOP will be corrupted without a leader to show the path?

Without a leader the press can interview any idiot who claims to be part of the "movement" and that will spread across the evening news...... Think about it...

Bump!

Thank You for the posting!The media hoax on Ron Paul and the campaign is definitely makes my blood boil!People need to understand to quit watching the BOOB tube and listen to their grassroots leaders!I truly believe we need to do a money bomb for delegates and alternates only!To make sure they have the money provided for them to be there!It is time we start getting serious here and make sure these delegates get there!The biggest weapon we have on our side is the phone to fight back against the bought off media!We need to start calling and supporters that have shut down there facebook accounts and any other accounts on the internet open them up and start getting the word out again!
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If 140 delegates showed up, then only 7 were missing

294/2 = 147.

Alternates don't get a vote and usually don't attend unless the delegate cannot make it.

Alternates have proven important.

Say if someone gets sick or hurt or arrested.

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Right, it's always good to have extra alternates attending too

In this case it could have resulted in 7 more votes.

My point was this topic is entirely distorted and exaggerated. It's posted by someone that is either ignorant or intentionally on the attack, and it's being promoted by the same.

You talked about what happened.

I mentioned that it has proven important.

Yes a lot of silly posts on this thread.

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Thanks for posting

I share your pain.
Benton can be blamed but he is not the only one who failed.

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BUMP!

EXCELLENT POST!

Now, remember this coming Tuesday June 5 primaries in

#CA #NM #NJ #SD #MT

Winning California delegate depend on votes! Winner takes all by district. Which #CA districts are winnable?

Ron Paul ... forever.

May I repeat again?

THIS IS NOT ABOUT RON PAUL - IT IS ABOUT OUR CONSTITUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did people not show because our Constitution said it didn't want to campaign any more? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here in Nevada, we worked our asses off to get ALL of our delegates to our state convention. We just didn't make sure we personally went, we made phone calls & worked on our delegates EVEN HARDER than we did for the caucus.

So, if you guys BLEW IT, don't blame it on Ron Paul. The blame lies squarely with YOU. SO DISGUSTED & DISMAYED.

Missouri's slogan is, "Show me mo!" Well, you sure showed it & it's pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree

You need to identify delegates and contact them all!! Everyone thinking the campaign is over should help the delegate strategy, because only we know it isn't over.

You are right but many people dont realize that

You might be for Liberty but America and the whole culture isnt libertarian(anymore). We still need leaders who tell us what to do especially when you are in a transition period like this.

The people did not learn to think freely.

Well, Ron Paul and the campaign failed.

I see it everywhere! People are sure Ron Paul is out! They dont believe me! They dont want to talk anymore about it :/

Its just the people at the DP and some of their relatives who are totally up to date.

You cant blame the people who didnt show up. They dont know better! The campaign and Ron Paul(YES he is no god!!) are the ones to blame!

They stopped the campaign when they were about to lift of(!!!). 1-4 events and he would have had 10 000 and more people in attendance. He had the money but just stopped. WHY??? Its a shame.

The campaign got stopped! by whom and what is the Q.

You got the point of time right:

"They stopped the campaign when they were about to lift of(!!!). 1-4 events and he would have had 10 000 and more people in attendance. He had the money but just stopped. WHY??? Its a shame."

Precisely! Pity it happened. But: There was an intervention - and we can only guess what that was. Complicated to guess, but obvious. HOW - we will know one day and we should know soon - because THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE KNOWN - what happens in this country every time there is some potential to make it a better place.

Meanwhile there is

a convention in NC today - i believe - and...

5 primaries on Tuesday June 5: #CA #NM #NJ #SD #MT

and we all should support each other and FOCUS ONLY ON THAT - no matter what the previous outcomes were, that is past for now, we have three days to INFORM PEOPLE and act - and do whatever we can NOW.

WE - Rally - around RON Paul - it is our rally that matters!

Ron Paul ... forever.