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I'm sick and tired of the self pity on this site

if you have been discouraged of late at the campaign, and have used it as a excuse to quit participating, the good Dr. didnt fail you, YOU FAILED YOURSELF. The man is irrelevant, and i cant believe how many people cant understand this. ITS THE MESSAGE OF LIBERTY, MARKETS, AND PEACE that matter. What Dr. paul has done is to motivate people like us to get engaged in the process. If nothing else, THAT AND THAT ALONE makes this campaign a success.

this isnt about what happens this year, its about what happens NEXT YEAR, and the Year after that, and the year after that. we are taking the whole thing over, so get on board or get lost.



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I agree with what I think you are saying, not that RP is irrelevant, as there would be no RP Revolution if RP had not been espousing freedom, liberty, sound money and the Constitution for 40 years. But, that RP's greatest contribution is to wake up America, especially the young, as they are the future. They will be the ones to fight the good fight and restore America.

If RP is successfully elected, and I hope desperately that he is, he will begin to bring this great country back to what it was 200 years ago. But even he said he will need cooperation.

It would be very sad if the "Revolution" dies because RP is not there to hold the movements hand every moment. We all need to pick up the mantle and spread the message(to every Middlesex village and farm"(American Revolution). RP won't be there the rest of your lives. It's our responsibility.

i dont think people fully understand what i mean by irrelevant

What binds us? is it our unwavering commitment to the man? or is it our unwavering commitment to DO WHATS RIGHT? i admire him and what hes accomplished as much as the next guy, but more than that, its what he stands for that is important. its what separates what we have done from all the other campaigns who DO idolize their candidate above all else.

it needs to be said, i am not giving up for this year. i have high hopes that we will overcome the obstacles they keep throwing at us. but even if we fall just short, this thing should not, cannot end in tampa. there are too many of us who need to realize that it is not for nothing.

the easiest way to get something done isnt to change the behavior; its to change the meaning of existing behavior. like a cut isnt a cut, torture isnt torture, its enhanced interrogation. war isnt war, its kinetic military action. declaring war now appare

Only commenting because this thread is still alive

It was at the top of the list of recent topics, otherwise I would have hoped it had died already.

My comment is, this thread is some pretty sophisticated psych warfare. Saying don't worry about this year, it's the next and the next", leading out with an intriguing title, 'knowing your stuff' about liberty, freedom, yadda yadda yadda, all good stuff.

And all the other trolls jumped on to say it was a super-d-duper great post and keep it in rotation. A dead giveaway.

But your title is a valid point. People seem to forget that the man is still working a full-time job as a CONGRESSMAN. We are tired of career politicians yet complain when our statesman isn't on a stump somewhere for us to youtube?

Let the whiners and doubters drift to the wayside - the Daily Paul is better off without them.

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I kinda thought the same

and I even just wrote a post with similar thought as this one...I think we are about to, as Jesse Benton put it, see some very "unforeseen events". Either your right and psych ops public relations stuff is at play or the conscience of the message is evolving and we see more often what the official campaign wants us to see-that it us from here on past Tampa. We do have to talk about
" Saying don't worry about this year, it's the next and the next", leading out with an intriguing title, 'knowing your stuff' about liberty, freedom, yadda yadda yadda, all good stuff."

you're right. But before you go calling people whiners think maybe they just heard the message, just joined the Revolution, or caught on that indeed, it ain't about November, Obamney or the weather, It's about a Revolution to get Liberty back into the hearts and minds of those whom we elect to be our voice, to the world even. I think there's going to be quite a few VENT posts from longtimers-it's a freaking rollercoaster ride and I don't blame Paul if he hopped off for a while....peace and in Liberty!

"...the most memorable concern of mankind
is the guts it takes to
face the sunlight again."-Charles Bukowski

oh stop it with the conspiracy theory

no 'psych' warfare going on. my whole point was that no matter what happens, we are winning. its very important not to lose sight of it, through all the negativity here, through the complaints about the campaign. all that stuff doesnt matter, its about doing whats RIGHT!

how you took it to mean quit, i'll never understand.

the easiest way to get something done isnt to change the behavior; its to change the meaning of existing behavior. like a cut isnt a cut, torture isnt torture, its enhanced interrogation. war isnt war, its kinetic military action. declaring war now appare

Personal responsibility.....

I thought that is what this movement was all about. It seems their is a small but vocal minority that want to blame everyone else for their problems instead of asking what more they could do. Let's keep on moving on!

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

Guys it is clear as day the

Guys it is clear as day the campaign is having problems!!! Best thing to do is accept then figure out a way to fix it.

Right now the Rand crew is trying to hype of Rand and are eating up all that propaganda/lies and preventing the money to flow to the grassroots that support the Ron Paul movement!

Ron Paul has massive support! The campaign is failing at putting it together! They are trying to be stealth instead of realising, they need to get out there and go all out!

Get involved with the grassroots movements! Connect with the people! Maybe ending the rally's was a bad thing!!! People still want to unite and come together!

Even having campaign rally's without Ron Paul would be better than none at all!
We love to hear the up and coming liberty leaders also!!

It is the final hour and the campaign is sitting on their hands!!!!!

What a waste....

people are being that way

people are being that way because they feel they've been betrayed after sacrificing so much

In my time here

I do not think I have ever called anyone a troll. Blaze... YOU ARE A TROLL! You have 3 or 4 active posts now that are all filled with negativity and divisiveness. For the life of me I have no clue as to why the mods haven't thrown you out on your ear. I will not comment on any of your threads and I hope others stop encouraging you by also not commenting. Please share with me about all the sacrifices you have made for the revolution! And then please shut your mouth!

Formerly rprevolutionist

Because the mods are good

Because the mods are good mods and don't ban people for disagreeing.

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new section

I guess it's time for a new section all the negative posts as well as the responses. I think the responses to all the negativity take up just as much time and space as the negative posts themselves.

Ignore. That's the way to go.

I was about to

make a post on this. The top recent topics have become negative and non-contributing over the past few weeks.

The freedom movement by it's very nature...

The freedom movement by it's very nature is a pretty SELF motivated group of people! We shouldn't need CONSTANT motivation from the campaign to press on & keep going forward! just remember at Tampa, our voices will be heard!

Loose Moose

Exactly!!

"just remember at Tampa, our voices will be heard!"

definitely true! and beyond Tampa, too! we are here to stay!

the easiest way to get something done isnt to change the behavior; its to change the meaning of existing behavior. like a cut isnt a cut, torture isnt torture, its enhanced interrogation. war isnt war, its kinetic military action. declaring war now appare

Being sick and tired

and bewailing the "failure" of the campaign is perfect cover for the stealth effort to snatch the nomination from Romney.

Keep up the good work!

Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas

"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."

did you read it at all?

did you read it at all?

the easiest way to get something done isnt to change the behavior; its to change the meaning of existing behavior. like a cut isnt a cut, torture isnt torture, its enhanced interrogation. war isnt war, its kinetic military action. declaring war now appare

ive been asked this question by quite of few neo-cons...

IF Ron gets in AND things don't change, will you still support him?
without a second thought i have always answered a big, fat NO. Same thing Dr. Paul did when Reagan didnt live up to his rhetoric. THE MAN isnt what is right. ITS THE MESSAGE. always will be. He knows that better than anyone.

as for my last sentence that turned a few of you off, let me be frank: if you stay dormant because the campaign isnt holding your hand long enough, YOU ARE ALREADY LOST. this isnt about the next 4 years: its about the next 4 DECADES, and beyond.

the easiest way to get something done isnt to change the behavior; its to change the meaning of existing behavior. like a cut isnt a cut, torture isnt torture, its enhanced interrogation. war isnt war, its kinetic military action. declaring war now appare

Do you really think that's possible

considering his record? He's the only reason I ever became interested in politics. Why? His message is his life. Everybody else has a message that changes with the direction of the wind. Ron Paul--I can promise you--isn't going to change if elected. If I thought that, I never would have googled his name the first time...

There won't be a next 4 decades if the status quo continues.

John F

no i dont, but

that is really irrelevant to the point. i was speaking to those who need their hands held by the campaign. who need encouragement at all times. IT IS NOT FOR NOTHING. THIS CAMPAIGN HAS ALREADY BEEN SUCCESSFUL REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME.

the easiest way to get something done isnt to change the behavior; its to change the meaning of existing behavior. like a cut isnt a cut, torture isnt torture, its enhanced interrogation. war isnt war, its kinetic military action. declaring war now appare

I stopped reading

right where you said that Ron Paul was "irrelevant." Are you joshing me? I mean, you can't be serious.

All I can think to type right now is the same thing over and over: Are you f#$ing serious? Get real man, Ron Paul is the leader of this movement if there is a movement. Period.

I'm sorry, but you Gary Johnson people need to forget about it. What sort of mealy-mouthed, milquetoast revolution is this anyway? Every movement at least has a figurehead. Every one!! Name one popular movement without a figurehead. And you said, "the man is irrelevant."

While I'm at it, I don't like this "Liberty Movement" thing. What happened to the Revolution?

John F

B A M !

beautiful

heres what you missed....

ITS THE MESSAGE OF LIBERTY, MARKETS, AND PEACE that matter.

go back and read it for real this time: maybe then you can make assumptions that arent asinine. gary johnson? Seriously? i said not that long ago that hes the type of guy who talks the talk, but doesnt understand the philosophy behind what he says.

the easiest way to get something done isnt to change the behavior; its to change the meaning of existing behavior. like a cut isnt a cut, torture isnt torture, its enhanced interrogation. war isnt war, its kinetic military action. declaring war now appare

wasn't referring to you

with the gary johnson comment.

John F

I totally understand where you

are coming from:) Except I do not under any circumstance think Ron Paul is irrelevant.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

its not about him

its about what he stands for, what he represents, what he symbolizes. we should NOT be idol worshiping. thats a roadmap to where this country is right now. my support is VERY conditional, as should all of our support. i have faith that this man can carry out our shared vision, but ITS NOT ABOUT HIM. it never was. ITS ABOUT WHAT IS RIGHT.

the easiest way to get something done isnt to change the behavior; its to change the meaning of existing behavior. like a cut isnt a cut, torture isnt torture, its enhanced interrogation. war isnt war, its kinetic military action. declaring war now appare

Get your @ss to your convention, it only takes a few of us...

...to un-do all of their evil plans.

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yeah; that's how the founders approached it...

...very mature Alex Jones-like statement...these kind of statements is PRIMARILY what TURNS PEOPLE OFF from us, probably more than my position that the founders Christianity was actually a PURE faith in the Creator, which is what this nation needs to experience once again...not a bunch of angry, black t-shirt wearing, 9/11 truthers threatening the establishment with your lack of secular accomplishments, very little communication skills, most likely few morals, and no restraint when it comes to shooting your mouth off.

"we are taking the whole f**ki** thing over, so get on board or get lost."

I'll keep supporting Rand Paul's success and in-roads...in the meantime, people who like your big mouth should learn the meaning of words RESPECT, SUBMISSION and HUMILITY. You won't be taking anything over if that is how you express yourself...which again...RUNS PEOPLE OFF back to the establishment!

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Saying such things makes you deserving of your own self pity.

The man is NOT irrelevant. He never will be irrelevant,IMO.
This IS about what happens THIS year. Next year may never arrive.
No one is going to take the place of Ron Paul next year, or the year after that. People run on their records and records take time to establish. The consistency of Ron Paul has never been equaled by anyone, so to already be looking toward the next years while forgetting about the present is unjustified. No one has given up anything. Stay grounded in the present.

the entire point is that

WE are the ones taking over next year. WE dont need another Ron Paul; WE ARE the next Ron Paul. anyone that retreats now for superficial reasons arent really part of the solution.

the easiest way to get something done isnt to change the behavior; its to change the meaning of existing behavior. like a cut isnt a cut, torture isnt torture, its enhanced interrogation. war isnt war, its kinetic military action. declaring war now appare