UNBELIEVABLE ABOUT SUTTON!
I am the one who first posted about the missing Ron Paul votes in Sutton. It seems that what I said has been misquoted, enlarged upon, spread from one end of the world to the other. I was listening to Alex Jones on radio today and he had a very different story, talking about me and what I had said. I emailed him, and his producer emailed me back to call him. I did, and explained the story, (the truth). but it seems that the truth isn't what he wanted to hear, i guess it wasn't sensational enough. And to top it off, he totally dug up from who knows where lies about the town clerk. He continued on and enlarged the story further, despite the facts that I had told his producer. I liked to listen to Alex Jones, but now I wonder if what he reports on are actual facts, being so uninterested in the truth. The truth is: the votes were accidentally (yes, a very grave mistake) left off. The number of votes on the map on politico last night didn't add up to the total number of votes that were cast in Sutton. This morning when they did add up to the total, because the Ron Paul votes were added. If someone was going to do vote fraud, they would make sure their numbers added up. I know the people involved in this, and although I do not live in Sutton, I know these people, including the town clerk. This was a mistake, innocent, and although it is a very serious mistake, it is definately NOT fraud. I do believe very strongly that voting fraud is a very serious problem and probably happened in NH, it didn't in this situation. I tried to stop all this by posting, but no one even listened. Now we all follow the good doctor because he tells the TRUTH, and we should care about the truth too. And after what has happened to the people of Sutton thru all this, if a recount were done there, Dr. Paul would probably get LESS votes, not because of the good doctor, but because of the actions of some of his followers. Please people, be sure of your sources before you post. I am guilty of giving the name of the town before it was checked into, and you can be sure that I won't do that again. I wish I knew of a way that the people who have dragged Sutton through the mud could apologize, especially to the poor town clerk who felt absolutely mortified that she forgot to include votes for Paul. The Ron Paul HQ were told about the truth by my sister, a NH resident in another town, also a Ron Paul supporter, and I am sure they looked into it , and came to the conclusion that it was a mistake, not some evil plot. Look to the MSM and Hannity for that, or maybe even the voting machines people. Thank you for reading. On a personal note, I wonder if I dare show my face in my hometown again.
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I really don't care about hearing of reasons why we should just go on and leave this NH vote fraud issue alone. All of the votes should be counted correctly and they haven't been. Isn't it odd that we have discovered fraud in more that one instance and it all tends to be NOT in our favor. This bs has to be challenged now! You can not win unless you put up a fight.
your only mistake...
.. wasn't exposing the injustice or "accident" as you have come to believe. It was releasing the info before you went to an election official with it.
what can we do
While we probably can't get an apology or anything of the like from the people who were obviously incompetent to be counting the votes. I don't think we should let this go quietly.
I am not sure if its human error
Original count for Sutton county was: total voter 386. Guliani 51, Hack 45, Romny 119, Mcain 160, Thompson 3, others 8 - ok total is exactly 386. now updated count on CNN - everything is same except no - “others” with 31 vote for Ron Paul - total voter is now 409. So are they saying they made a mistake on Ron Paul’s number(31) and total voters count?(386 vs 409) .... I'm no sure
from about the middle of the post...
....definately NOT fraud. stop, read it agian. definately NOT fraud.
stop calling and emailing the campaign. stop posting fraud in every post. at one time, every active topic was about fraud or recount.
you are doing the campaign a disservice.
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Yeah @#$% it, it's only our
Yeah @#$% it, it's only our democracy.
Never mind newspapers and the media were calling it mid-day.
Never mind all that....
prove it.
ap called it about 8:30pm and cnn about 9pm. both central time zones.
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Why the debate?
I don't understand. We all know the Diabold machines are a fraud. We all know that moles, insurgents, and unethical people work for both parties. It has been well documented that the Hillary gang is out in full force. We all know the neo-cons have their gangs working for them.
So tell me, WHY THE FREAK'N DEBATE?!?!
Ask yourself this, at the very least what would come of Ron Paul forcing a recount?
Don't know?
I'll tell you, DISTRUST, MEDIA ATTENTION, THE END OF THESE FRAUDULENT VOTING MACHINES AND PRACTICES!!!
Let's put aside our hopes that Ron Paul wins and think about our democracy and our country for 5 freak'n seconds... this needs to be put in the spot light again!!! Nothing has changed since 2000... our democracy is in shambles!!!
Please people, this is about your children's future voting rights....
NH Primary Results in Excel...
I've converted the NH Primary Results into a spreadsheet. There is a pie chart showing Ron Paul (#5) at the bottom. Do with it what you wish.
http://www.airminder.com/NH_Primary.xls
Thanks! Have a GREAT day! :o)
Thanks
I'm a statistics freak, so I love data like this. Just out of curiosity, where'd you get the data?
PS Remind me to move to Richmond, NH after this is all over.
Data used...
was as posted on the boston globe website.
The correct message to send to the next 48 states
IS WE ARE GOING TO SMACK THEM AND DRAG THEM INTO COURT IF THEY MESS WITH THIS COUNTRY ANYMORE.
What? "Letting it go" is going to help us in SC, FL, NEV, MI?
Kickass and then take names.
Unify
It looks like Romney was going to get screwed
out of 124 votes in Greenville, before the error was caught. Maybe the conspiracy is that New Hampshire has a lot of incompetent people handling the votes, or just a lot of incompetent people, period. That would explain all the votes for McCain.
Here are all the number by town
http://www.nhpr.org/node/14500
For the Record...
asnitko, I applaud you! You did the right thing, don't let anyone tell you differently! It takes alot of backbone to stand up for what's right, and you did what you needed to do.
A little too convenient
If it were any of the other candidates, I may think it was a pure error. But considering all the unbelievable cheating that we have witnessed over the last year from the GOP, the media, and others, I have a real problem believing it was just a pure accident. Too many "accidents" have occurred. If it looks and hops like a rabbit, it is more than likely a rabbit.
RECOUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have nothing to lose and a country to gain.
Bob W., Naples, FL
YOU ARE RIGHT 1000000000000000000%
RECOUNT!
FORGOT?
WHY NOT ROMNEY?
Hate to break it to you
but Alex Jones' career is based on sensationalism and fabrications citing only evidence that fits his preconceived conclusions.
Also downright lies.
You're trolling and I refuse
You're trolling and I refuse to feed you.
ive never heard of this guy until recently.
he seems like someone lighting matches in a gasoline filled room.
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Hmmm....
Where is Alex Jones' lie in this matter? What are the preconceived conclusions in this matter? I believe it is you that is being a liar and a sensationalist here. Go put your head back in the sand.
That's fine if you believe that...
....but can you provide a specific example?
You are just like those who say, "Ron Paul is a wacko.......he has some crazy ideas".
But then they have nothing to back up such statements.
I bet if you provide a "sensational" issue of which Alex Jones has discussed, I can provide mainstream news articles backing it up.
MOST of what he discusses or links to is from mainstream sources.
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How about around New Years
How about around New Years Eve 1999 when the Russians were suppose to bomb us and more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eA6c2PmpNg
"When the Power of Love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." -- Jimi Hendrix
"When the Power of Love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." -- Jimi Hendrix
Context
You have to put that audio into context.
Firstly, he didn't say they were GOING to nuke us. He said, that THEY said they reserved the right to nuke us. And if you remember back to that time, they were saying things like this. China as well. It was just posturing and saber rattling of course but come on, when a country says stuff like this and he reports it that's not him saying it is going to happen.
Now let's also remember what was going on at the time. The government was fear-mongering. They were drumming up massive amounts of fear. Just like the Duct tape and plastic messages a few years later, they told everyone to stock up on food, water and fuel. They told everyone not to panic but then told them to panic.
The military was all over the place. Moving troops and weapons around. Planning for martial law if all hell broke loose. That is dangerous to a free country! The government is fear-mongering and telling everyone there are probably going to be terrorist attacks and massive computer problems that some people might lose power and water for days or weeks you can't blame him for reporting it and getting freaked out. At least his message was to resist tyranny if it comes. I don't think that's really fear-mongering. He was simply pointing out that the government was up to no good and to defend yourself if all hell breaks loose.
Now, after I just defended him I will say that at times he stretches the truth and talks about things he doesn't really understand, I see this a lot when it comes to technical (computer) things. In the end though, you have to take things for what they are. His message, in the end is good even if it's presented in a manor that makes me cringe. His message is of personal liberty and responsibility. He's the anti-nanny-state guy. He is telling you to stop looking for the government to do everything for you. Stop trusting the government when time and time again they are shown to be liars and harming the people.
At first when I heard the stuff he talked about I thought "my god, this guy is nuts. North American Union.. phss.. whatever. Oh a plunging dollar.. riiiight. A fake two party system. No way!" that was in 2004. Now just 4 years later I have seen all of these things really start to come to pass. I saw the footage of the Bohemian Grove and researched it. I don't care if he gets some things wrong. You shouldn't be trusting anyone to give you the full story. But in the end, he's been way more right than the guy I used to listen to and respect... Neal Boortz.
Alex Jones is one of the people that helped me finally break free from the fake two party system. I started listening to him around the same time that Abu Graib broke and I heard Rush saying that it was all just college prank type stuff. Then I googled for images of it and found Alex's site showing the actual images of people dying, bleeding, being tortured with electricity.
Generally we hear stuff from sources like Alex and we disbelieve it and then 6 months later it's all over the news.
In the end, don't trust anything until you've verified it yourself to the best of your ability and even then, be open to the idea that you may have been lied to.
BS
How could you be the one who reported what the county clerk said when it was Bev Harris that called the county clerk.
from blackboxvoting.org
This is not a mistake that politico made. This is apparently a very common tactic to rig hand count elections. They did not just "forget to write the number down" The MUST write a number down and they wrote down 0.
You Say...
"if a recount were done there, Dr. Paul would probably get LESS votes, not because of the good doctor, but because of the actions of some of his followers."
Why would a recount show less votes because of his supporters actions? Is this a threat?
Seriously, I don't believe
Seriously, I don't believe that Alex is right and some new world order rigged the election, but perhaps the people of NH should be looking into why someone with a record for cocaine trafficking and is an executive for LHS, is carrying around vote machine memory cards in the trunk of his car and has defended why he need to swap memory cards mid election in the past saying "it was necessary."
This story is bigger than Sutton.. that was just a flaming red flag, there are other serious problems that need to be looked into.
Hmmm the plot thickens....
Hmmm the plot thickens....
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Investigation, Yes! Recount, Maybe
I find a little hard to believe that a clerk, with double custody of the ballots (they don't count them alone, right?), could overlook 31 votes. I also find hard to believe the same thing happened in Greenville. Possible, but very unlikely. This, added to the statistical data of the electronic voting boxes which seem to give RP a 7% disadvantage are good grounds to ask "what is going on." We are justified in our concerns. We don't need to be reckless or radical, but we are justified in our concerns. Add to all of this that in 2000 and 2004 they had problem in NH before requiring the AG to investigate, and we are justified to ask for an investigation in the very least.
I must admit...
I have been both an "Inspector" & "Precinct Committee Man" for a polling station here in my home state of Indiana. We used paper ballots tabulated by a computer. There is a specific and detailed procedures for handling these ballots and the totals from the computer. The idea that ooops forgot to give Ron Paul any votes by mistake is thin.
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Thank You
That's what I'm saying. During the redundant check process these total number of votes were overlooked, obviously several times in a row. I could see the check missed them, but the second and possibly third, too? Maybe I am crazy, I hope I am. Honesty, I would sleep knowing it was just me than knowing it was the entire process.