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Poll: If Ron Paul Does Not Win the Nomination, Who Should He Endorse?

If Ron Paul Does Not Win the Nomination, Who Should He Endorse?

Mitt Romney
Gary Johnson
Nobody, should run third party

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Why are we speculating?

Last time I checked the Dr. is still in the race for the republican nomination. Let's spend less time worrying about what MIGHT happen and more time fighting for delegates and bringing home the nomination and then the presidency

Endorse NO ONE.

Endorse NO ONE.

Ron Paul Will Win the Nomination and the Presidency.

Have no fear Dr. Paul has been chosen to be the 45th. President of the United States. There is nothing the adversaries can do. They have been weighed in the balance and found wanting.

"This is the inscription that was written: MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PARSIN "This is what these words mean: Mene: God has numbered the days of your reign and brought it to an end. Tekel: You have been weighed on the scales and found wanting. Peres: Your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians." That very night Belshazzar, king of the Babylonians, was slain" (Daniel 5:25-28,30)

Mystery or Hidden Babylon today is the global banking system behind the governments of the world. This began to fall in 2007 after 13 years of spiritual warfare. This process is ongoing and reaching a climax. The centre of the global banking system in the USA is the Federal Reserve which also acts as the world's central bank for the world's reserve currency. The Federal Reserve was founded in 1914 after the Federal Reserve Act was signed in December 1913. 1914 was 2520 years after Babylon came to power in 607 B.C.

2520 years is "seven times" an important period in prophetic time applied to the nations of Israel and Judah. The latter came under Babylon's suzerainty finally between 588-586 B.C. 2520 years later between 1933-1935 the gold of the People of regathered Israel and Judah was confiscated and the National Banking Act under FDR gave full power to the Fed to control the nation's currency. The time given to Babylon to keep the nation in bondage was seventy years ending initially in 1983-84 when they rejected the Gold Commission Minority Report written by Dr. Ron Paul and finally in 2003-05 when they initiated the war in Iraq ancient Babylon, a sign of their coming collapse.

In the book of Revelation the Medes and Persians are described as the kings of the east. The rulers of the kings of the east brought Babylon down without a struggle being helped by the priests of the city.

The Temple of Babylon in Washington is the Federal Reserve building. The priests of the Temple work there. The chief priest is Ben Bernanke. The name Austria in German is Oesterreich or Eastern Kingdom. The rulers of the Eastern Kingdom, the Austrians would be represented today by the Austrian economists especially since they are the open opponents of the Federal Reserve System. The name Ronald Ernest Paul means Humble, Serious, Advisor, Counsellor and Ruler.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

quit being so delusional man

quit being so delusional man you sound like a crazed lunatic

It is not necessary to believe.

There are many who have given up and have left the field. Maybe its just the last few "crazed lunatics" who will actually win the war. Where will you be then? Will you be there at the end? Will you wear the badge of "crazed lunatic" or "Paultard" or Paulbot" or whatever other sobriquet the adversaries bestow on us?

It doesn't matter how you get there. The important thing to know in your heart is that Ron Paul will be the nominee and the next President of the United States.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

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When bitten as many times as Dr. Ron Paul he most likely will endorse no one!

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Rand Paul

Rand Paul 2016

Rand Paul 2016 for Peace

Perhaps he should..

endorse you? I mean, that's just as stupid as the question itself. Real tired of always reading this crap about endorsements, Romney this and Romney that. Nobody voting for Romney gives a crap about anything he's done, will do. Can't we all agree on that point and just leave him out of the conversation? Oh my, Romney went to Bilderberg group meeting. Yeah, I'm totally stunned. Yet another wasted web space on something no one who votes for Romney gives a crap about. We are not going to sway a bunch of idiots who think this empty, non thinking moron can actually run our country, simply because he ran Bain. Sheesh, get a frickin clue. In fact, the GOP has shown how much they care about us, let's show them how much we care about them. I say, this 2012 cycle, we all vote Democratic ticket. On every fricking thing. Except our own who are trying to get into the system of course.

Ron Paul or none at all.

Gary Johnson has a lesser chance of winning even if RP is not on the ticket and we write him in, and he may be a good man, he may even be a great man, but he is not and never will be Ron Paul.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

I hope Ron Paul endorses..

I hope Ron Paul endorses Liberty and Freedom, like he always has.

RP endorsement

RP - get behind the podium at the convention and just say 'f@ck you' and then leave taking everyone with you.

MANY OF US ARE FOLLOWING INTERNATIONALLY

Wish I lived in the USA.

I WOULD WRITE IN RON PAUL

AND NEVER ENDORSE A LESSER PERSON

AND A LESS EVOLVED PERSON

SUCH AS ROMNEY OR OBAMA.

IF we lose, it's because of all of you.

I am disgusted with this site, infiltrators, people with no back-bone, cry babies, and the "easy way out ie Gary Johnson".

Toughen up or get out. My patience has ended.

I am voting for Ron Paul. By write-in, if necessary.

Ron Paul has NEVER backed down. He has NEVER griped or cried. He has NEVER taken an "alternate" path. He certainly has NEVER abandoned his principals. NOR will I.

For me it does not matter if Ron Paul wins the Oval Office. He has taught me more these past 5 months than I have learned my entire life.

I swear, after 5 short months I am more Libertarian than you people who claim to have been your entire lives.

This election is NOT over. Grow a spine and get back to work. Ron Paul needs us to get him to Tampa. If you can't then PLEASE take a f###ing hike and get off of this board. Go support GJ or whatever else it is someplace else.

Yeah, I'll waste a vote. Mark my words I'm wasting it on Ron Paul. By write-in, if necessary.

Babies. And you call this a r3VOLution? Obam-NEY has nothing to worry about with all of you!

2014 Liberty Candidate Thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/287246/2014-liberty-candidate-thread

2016 Potential Presidential Candidates: http://alturl.com/mt7tq

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Allow me to respectfully disagree

Johnson is not the easy way out. I have supported Libertarian candidates for decades only to watch them be ignored, cast aside and find victory if their candidate breached the 1% popular vote mark. You may be tough but your inexperience is showing. I was supporting Paul and contributing to his congressional campaigns back before there was an internet to make the process easy. Before there was a youtube to hear and spread the message on demand. So please don't preach about having a spine. You are a young libertarian, just as many of us where when the blinders first came off. Full of fervor, piss and vinegar shouting at everyone and anyone from your soap box. And I can appreciate this. But after a while, reality sets in. We are no less enthusiastic we have just learned the hard way that you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it think. Angry passion does not win hearts and minds and protest votes do nothing to further the cause. And again it is about the cause not the man.

Of course the election is not over and if Paul secures the nomination we all are enthusiastically on board. But we must be pragmatic. Paul's is a long game, building a movement for the future. If you've been paying attention Rand is now laying the groundwork for a 2016 or 2020 run. That is the long game. But there is also a short game. The here and now. And here and now, if Paul does not win the nomination for which he and his team have already half-assed conceded to, Johnson represents our best chance to have our voices heard on the national stage HERE and NOW! I would not make such claims if Johnson were the standard nameless tech-nerd sacrificial lamb usually put forth by the Libertarian party. But he is not. He is doing better in the polling than any Libertarian candidate in recent history and he has solid Republican credentials and experience. By all means continue and write in Paul but if you want something more than Obamney on the national stage this cycle. There is no written law that says we cannot support both. In fact, it's the smartest thing to do for the cause. It is not either or. If you want that third podium in the debates for our views to have a voice, support Johnson as well. Anything less is simply short-sighted naive idol worship. We are not going ANYWHERE. We are simply being politically savvy and looking at how best to capitalize on our efforts in the here and now as well as for the long haul. If you cannot see this or understand this, you have no place calling anyone a baby.

And I apologize, I hate engaging in such flaming with fellow libertarians but as much as I am happy every time a new one is born, the new ones annoy the hell out of me with their soap box crusading that solves nothing. The only reason I tolerate it is because I was you 20 years ago and I know you will grow up and settle down as we have.

Do not underestimate my knowledge or experience.

I am approaching 50 long years of life. I am an over-achiever. I know what it takes to win.

What I have been seeing and reading on this board (trust me when I tell you), this is NO way to win. Not by a remote long shot.

Sorry, but well intentioned or not, you have already conceded to defeat.

The simple fact is this: There is still time to win. There is still time to make a difference. There is still time to let the so-called 2 party system know that in 2016 and beyond, we will NOT disperse just so that they can once again win.

Now, eat some Wheaties and let's do this thing.

2014 Liberty Candidate Thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/287246/2014-liberty-candidate-thread

2016 Potential Presidential Candidates: http://alturl.com/mt7tq

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I've already passed the 50 mark a long time ago

and I find the only wasted vote is one you must compromise on. Vote your heart and know, win or lose, you did the right thing. Never again will I be conned into voting for the lessor of two evils particularly when we have the real answer right before us.

If not us than who?

You heard Ron Paul talk about his encounter with the FEC in '88

They didn't even bother to count his third party votes.

Of course they don't really count anybody's votes, so the matter moot.

Free includes debt-free!

Bravo, PAF! It isn't over and will not be over as long

as we stay consistent and strong. This rEVOLution goes on even without the good doctor...because WE are the movement, and WE will sustain it.

Never Give Up and Never Give In.

Bravo, PAF!

That is the spirit we need to not lose, no matter what!

Wow!

Read this if you want, I pretty much said the same thing.

http://www.dailypaul.com/237633/where-is-the-love-in-the-r3v...

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

I was about to create a new post about this but

Since this is already here...Don't get me wrong, I am in full support of the good doctor. But even if he were to pull of the greatest convention coup ever, it is doubtful, by his own admission that he will receive the nomination. If he does, he has my unwavering support. If he doesn't, what does the delegate strategy hope to achieve? Selecting the VP? Whoopty do Basil. Affecting the platform? So the establishment tells us what we want to hear and then does an about face. Many here have already stated and it is true of almost all RP supporters, we will not vote for Romney under any circumstances, even if the doctor sold out and endorsed him. This being the case, if this movement is truly not about the man but about the cause of liberty, it is time we start getting behind Johnson. Or at least be getting ready to. We may not be happy about it but he is the closest alternative to the doctor with a statistical chance of affecting the election.

He has an excellent record as a government executive. There are no Bill Ayers or Bains in his past. He is truly a self made business man. Has a stellar fiscally conservative and civil liberties record. He has no fear of the veto pen and his wins as governor prove he has the crossover appeal to win the all important independent vote. And most importantly he will be on all 50 ballots. If the doctor does not win the nomination he will be on none. The only real difference I see between Johnson and Paul are the flat tax and abortion. But the values and the proper role of government are essentially the same. Currently he is +/- 8% nationally in some polls and with our help he could reach that magic 15% threshold to meet the debate requirements. He is not the doctor but he is the closest thing to him in this cycle. If we are truly committed to the cause and not the man, I don't see where we have a choice. We need to get behind him and urge the Paul campaign to endorse him in the event that Paul does not win the nod. I could care less about Rand's career or how such an endorsement might negatively impact him within the GOP. Paul laid the groundwork for the movement that will continue after he is gone and that's fine. It's not going away any time soon. But if we want our voice heard on the national stage in this presidential cycle, Johnson is our best shot. It is time to get ready to throw our weight behind him. We need that third podium on the debate stage.

Judge Andrew Napolitano and here is why

Who ever is president, will make a Supreme Court nominee.

Ron Paul could come out and say, "I really want to see Judge Andrew Napolitano on the US Supreme Court".

Moreover, that is who I will be supporting in 2016

Treg

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He should endorse no one

That way he doesn't offend the GOP so others can continue this movement forward. I like Gary Johnson and may vote for him if I can't write Paul in, but the Libertarian Party still has a lot of progress to make in this rigged 2 party system. We need change soon! I don't think a 3rd party has a chance in hell, so we've got to invade one of the 2 beasts from within,and the Republican party is the most likely choice.

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Negotiation Tool: Third Party Run

I understand a third party run for Dr. Paul is a controversial topic. I think most of us agree that the GOP needs to be changed from the inside out and that running third party is most likely not a winning strategy. However, wouldn't it be wise to have the possibility of a third party run on the table as a negotiation tool?

I think the possibility of running outside the GOP makes a stronger statement that RP supporters (and independents) will not vote for Romney. The GOP has the mistaken impression that they will win us over. Maybe a third party run would underscore our position that Romney will not get our votes, and therefore, lose the presidency.

I with you..

Running 3rd party (IF we don’t get GOP NOM)would be a good deal for us.. Dr. Paul will be included in debates. I know a lot of people who don’t like to vote rep. but hate Obama also.. I think that if he does run 3rd party the worse outcome is what we have now Obama wins. Best outcome the USA gets to see Dr Paul debate these 2 peas in a pod, and we win.. Plus Romney will not get my vote no matter what.. If we have Romney and Obama as the only 2 options, you have the choice to pick Obama and get the same for the next 4 years or Romney and get the same for the next 8.. I don’t think our country can handle 4 more years let alone 8 years. with GJ in I may throw my vote for him(Just so I can have an opinion) BUT. if RP runs as anything I will vote for him if it be Dem. Rep. Green/tea/communist lol

If we get behind a 3rd party

If we get behind a 3rd party run, we will be labeled traitors. We just need to keep moving along and taking the GOP one state at a time. Essentially pulling the rug out from under the national GOP. We'll get another shot in 2016. Because there's no way in hell Romney is beating Obama.

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Labeled as Traitor: Consequences?

You are probably right, some will label us traitors. But I don't think the consequences of that will be very important four years from now, especially since we are making great strides at the local and state levels.

Running third party (or at least threatening to and following through if needed), would not only provide leverage in the short run, but could influence the platform (i.e. ending the fed). If this is not on the table as a negotiation tool, then I think our influence will be less effective and less of a concern to the GOP.

actually

It makes the most sense at this point

People are ready for a 'new' second party not third party

I never did agree before about a third party, I think stay in the GOP at the same time to create an environment friendly to the ideals of a new third party to bring in independents and unaffiliated voters.

A shadow party let's say since it's a cool new buzzword ;)

Maybe let RP take a position to be more involved with monetary policy
for a short time, let the man enjoy his life.

Or just make him 'PRESIDENT' is of course the best option :)

Problem is...

He has already committed to the GOP contest. By then it will be too late to get on the ballot. Johnson already will be. If he doesn't secure the nod and this movement is not idol worship but truly about liberty, if the doctor does not get the nod, he and we need to get behind Johnson. Normally I would not say this but Johnson is not some Libertarian tech nerd nobody sacrificial lamb. He was a republican governor with an excellent record and crossover appeal. The media does not seem to recoil as much as they do with Paul either.

I agree, this is about ideas.

I agree, this is about ideas. Not, Ron Paul.