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Fantastic RP Speech @ Texas Convention, June 7-9

Ron Paul's speech:


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Dr. Ron Paul's speech specifically addressed the economy and the current status of the republican party going forward. It is estimated that as many as 9,000 people were in attendance in the Main Hall of the Forth Worth convention center for this Speech.

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RULE #38


Forgive my ignorance....not sure what you mean that we need

"protesters" for Ron Paul....huh?



ALL DELEGATES ARE UNBOUND IN TEXAS!!!!! MITT CANNOT WIN!!!!! GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT RON PAUL THIS IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavnKfyHEJE

If I'm not mistaken...

...this is for 2016 and future. Not this years race.

the woman i believe at 4:35

the woman i believe at 4:35 points out rule 39 which says no delegate is bound to any candidate... end argument once again

Bound for 1st round?

I thought Texas delegates were supposedly bound for 4 rounds of voting at the RNC? However, beginning in 2016, they will be bound for only the 1st round? Did I misunderstand?

You are correct...

Rules cannot be changed for a current convention at the convention. Any changes voted on this weekend in Texas are for the next election cycle and for 2016... Not this election cycle or this year. From my understanding in 2016 delegates are only bound in Texas for first round of voting and after that it's open for any vote from the second round on.

listen closely to what the

listen closely to what the woman says at 4:35 she points out the flaw in rule 39 that says no delegate can be bound to any candidate... they motioned for an amendment to rule 38 and the motion passed... end argument

I dont see that mentioned in rule 39 at all from the Texas rules

... they state:

Rule No. 39 - Presidential Electors At the Biennial State Convention in presidential election years, the delegates from each Congressional District shall nominate one (1) Presidential Elector and such nomination shall be presented to the National Nominations Committee; additionally, the National Nominations Committee shall select additional nominees to bring to total number of nominees to the number allowed by law. Each such nominee for Presidential Elector, prior to the report of the National Nominations Committee, shall file with the Chairman of the National Nominations Committee an affidavit in writing as to his commitment to vote for the Republican Party’s nominees for President and Vice President. The report of the National Nominations Committee shall include only nominees who have so filed such affidavit. The report of the National Nominations Committee must include the nominees from the Congressional District who have so filed affidavits. The Convention shall then elect the Presidential Electors. Any vacancy among the Presidential Electors shall be filled by majority vote of the SREC, with the conditions that (1) the person elected to fill the vacancy shall have already filed with the State Chairman an affidavit in writing as to his commitment to vote for the Republican Party’s nominees for President and Vice President and (2) if the vacancy occurs for a person who had been nominated by his Congressional District Caucus at the Biennial State Convention then the SREC shall elect a person who has filed such an affidavit, has made an affiliation with the Republican Party of Texas under Chapter 162 of the Texas Election Code, and resides in that same congressional district at the time he is elected by the SREC to be a replacement Presidential Elector.

And the previous rule states:
Rule 38:

Section 9. At-Large Delegate and Alternate Entitlements For the purpose of determining the entitlement to at-large delegates and alternates by candidates, the provisions of this section shall apply, as follows: a. More than Fifty Percent (50%) of Vote Received by Candidate: A candidate receiving more than fifty percent (50%) of the votes cast in the Presidential Primary canvassed on a statewide basis shall be entitled to all at-large delegates and alternates allocated to Texas under The Rules of the Republican Party.

Section 10. Pledge of Delegates and Alternates. a. Commitment to Candidate: By assenting to nomination on a Presidential candidate’s slate, each delegate and alternate representing a Presidential candidate becomes pledged to the Presidential candidate on whose slate the delegate and alternate is nominated in accordance with subsection b of this section. b. Length of Commitment: A person who is elected as a delegate or alternate to the National Convention on the slate of a Presidential candidate by the State Convention to represent that particular Presidential candidate at the National Convention and who does not resign from the position is pledged to support that Presidential candidate at the National Convention until the candidate is nominated or until the delegate or alternate is released from the pledges as follows: 1. First (1st) nomination convention ballot: delegate or alternate shall be released from the pledge only in the event of death, withdrawal, or by decision of the candidate. 2. Second (2nd ) nominating convention ballot: delegate or alternate shall be released from the pledge if the candidate has failed to receive twenty percent (20%) or more of the total vote cast on the preceding ballot; or by the decision of the candidate; 3. Third (3rd) and subsequent nominating convention ballots: delegates and alternates are released from any pledge.

So what I am I missing.. Where is the flaw that is being mentioned in rule 39? I just don't see that flaw anywhere mentioned in said rule #.


I heard that this actually failed...

I heard that this motion actually failed to go through at the convention and that this attempt actually did not work and that rule 38 actually does not apply?

I also heard from sources that we actually do not have plurality in enough states yet. Even if delegates can vote as they please at the National Convention the delegates will still be viewed as bound to Romney in terms of plurality. This because Plurality is the majority of delegates bound to a candidate in the first round. And since plurality comes before the convention and not at the convention rule 38 or abstaining does not come to our favor until we hit true plurality. From what I gather we have Maine and Minnesota officially for plurality. That is it. States like Nevada, Massachusetts, and even if we won Texas in number of delegates would still go to Romney in plurality. Also heard from a local Ron Paul office that we do not have plurality in Colorado as some claim because Santorum is not going to release his delegates. Iowa is not until the end of the month and in Louisiana who knows what slate will actually be recognized.

So we have 2 officially from what they told me. If we get Louisiana recognized and win Iowa we would still need 1 more to be on the ballot. Maybe Virginia but I don't know.

federal law states that all

federal law states that all delegates are obligated to vote on their conscious... end argument

The Supreme Court

ruled on it also :o)



Not arguing that...

I am not arguing so there is no end of argument. While yes we have been focusing on delegates which is a valid method to win, we have not set priorities straight in areas where it needs to be.. If everything I am gathering from sources related to Ron Paul's campaign is true then we have failed because right now we have 2 of the 5 required states to even be listed on the ballot. If we fail to get the required 5 then all this delegate work has been a failure to get him on the ballot but a success to spread the message. If we only have 2 and we do not get Louisiana to recognize our slate and we fail to win Iowa at the state convention how do we actually get the true 5 based on the definition of what plurality actually is?

Remember that plurality (and I actually got this by calling the RNC, true they may be FOS but it's their rules) is the majority of delegates that are bound to a candidate in the first round of voting. Also remember that we have to reach plurality before the national convention. Rule 38 or abstaining will mean nothing if we are not even able to be listed on the ballot.

Im sorry

But what part of Federal Law cant be understood here?
It is illegal under US code to "bind" delegates.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

What is the exact law because I have never heard of such...

law.. I would like to read into it because I hope what you are saying is true.. But I have never heard of a law that does this. So please let me know so I can look at it myself.

Yes the MSM has stated it but I do not believe MSM otherwise we would think Romney actually has the numbers already.. He is above 1000 delegates but he does not have 1144 yet. So I don't buy anything from MSM but I look at things pretty thoroughly state by state by their state laws and how they handle delegates and then look at the RNC rules because the RNC rules are the ones that are in play here. Federal Law does trump all of it but I want to see it for myself.

11CFR 100.2 section E

11CFR 100.2 section E

42 USC § 1971 - Voting

42 USC § 1971 - Voting rights

(b) Intimidation, threats, or coercion
No person, whether acting under color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such other person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, presidential elector, Member of the Senate, or Member of the House of Representatives, Delegates or Commissioners from the Territories or possessions, at any general, special, or primary election held solely or in part for the purpose of selecting or electing any such candidate.

I am looking into this further because...

I am always a skeptic when it comes to laws and how they are written. I have a friend who is an attorney who is also a Paul supporter and I will ask. But, what I read is that this actually does not apply for the nomination process for a party nominee but that it is for the candidate of President, Vice President, presidential elector, member of the Senate, or Member of the House of Representatives.. No where does it specifically mention the vote to influence the results for a nominee of a party...

Not disagreeing.. Just want to make sure it is the correct interpretation.

If you have a friend...

that is a Paul supporter, then why ask repetitively and in troll like fashion the same questions on every post?---fishy.

Check EnjoiJoker's first link

11CFR 100.2 section E

(e) Caucus or Convention. A caucus or convention of a political party is an election if the caucus or convention has the authority to select a nominee for federal office on behalf of that party.

According to this, we know that the GOP Convention in Tampa is legally an "election"

And we know from 42 USC § 1971 that people may vote as they choose in a "primary election held solely or in part for the purpose of selecting or electing any such [presidential] candidate"

The key question you have been raising is one of plurality. Rule 40

"Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a plurality of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination."

Now how do they demonstrate the support from a plurality of the delegates from a state? If it is through a vote, then delegates from each state are unbound and Paul would reach his five through Minnesota, Nevada, Colorado (maybe some others) in addition to Iowa and Maine.*

But I don't know if that's how the RNC determines plurality though it seems most fair and reasonable that a vote should determine this. How else would you calculate the preferences of the state delegates themselves? Any attempt to use a proxy e.g. popular vote totals, state binding proportions etc. would be easily challenged unless it's in the rules.

That's how I see it anyway but we'd appreciate someone who is familiar with election law and its effect on the RNC national election process to comment. In particular, are there any rules regarding the determination of a plurality from state delegations?.

I do hope the Paul campaign is ready for this possible eventuality because this can still be won.

* Hopefully we won't have to rely on a lawsuit to deliver Louisiana and Oklahoma as well. The optimist in me hopes that the change in campaign focus to "delivering a message" really is to make the road smoother for more Paul delegates - sounds like it may have backfired but we'll see.

zignon obvi troll.

zignon obvi troll.

Not a troll.. Trying to find out what is being claimed is...

factual because honestly everything I have been researching does not add up to what I want to believe. I have physically called the RNC for the definition of plurality and that is what they gave me.. So if you look at that definition they gave vs. states that we have won you will see that quite a bit is actually still bound to Romney. We won the majority of delegates but for plurality purposes and getting on the ballot they go to Romney. If we get on the ballot then it is open game.

ask your lawyer friend..

If it smells, looks and posts like a troll....

Why contact the RNC if they

Why contact the RNC if they are blocking PaulFest?

your lying even the media

your lying even the media admitted he's on the ballot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EttnVTtsoo

In this excellent HD, video clip ...

Your video clip, the one you link to, clearly shows the Chairman of the Texas State GOP, the Chair of the convention as well, saying that Rule 39, and the National GOP rules, TRUMP state binding of delegates sent to National, to Tampa. Very interesting, will be interested to see what Dr. Steve Parent has to say about this.

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Ron Paul Said NO to the establishment

""They" wanted me to talk about uniting the party." That was the name of his break out session.(speech) But he went against their wishes and said "Why unite around failed policies?"

He's still fighting the fight!

Uniting the party

I've watched this speech 4 times now. Those 2 sentences are what caught me the most. He was on fire for liberty!!! That's Our President.