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Open Thread: Where does the Daily Paul go from here? (I'm going to China)

I know this sounds funny, but I am literally packing my bags right now for China. It is not what you think. My wife, who is a neuroscientist, is presenting a paper at the Human Brain Mapping conference in Beijing. I'm just going along for the ride ;)

I was hoping to be able to slip out the back door and take a little break from the DP for the next 10 days or so, and let the moderators run the show.

But in light of the recent news - Ron Paul's email, and now Rand endorsing Romney - I realize it is incredibly unfair to the moderators, who do such wonderful work with such a thankless task. So expect a little chaos on the site over the next couple of days. The front page might not get updated as much. A lively and spirited debate is likely to ensue. But a little chaos is good, every once in a while.

But this brings up a point I've been thinking quite a bit about and would like your feedback on: The future of the Daily Paul. The Liberty movement is big and sprawling, and the only thing holding this faction together is Ron Paul. And now we are seeing it start to blow apart. People are canceling their subscriptions in droves. Traffic on the site peaked back in January. Ron Paul is retiring from Congress next year.

Does it make sense to go on with a site called the Daily Paul? What began as a search for truth has led us here. I'm not much interested in leading the masses into the Republican party. The Campaign for Liberty and YAL are professional political organizations that will no doubt carry on in that role. I understand that is the path for some, and I respect that. It is not the path for me, and I hope those who disagree will be gracious enough to respect that as well. This site will not become the Daily Rand.

But what will become of this awesome community? Is this the end? What direction should the community take from here?

All of your thoughts are welcome and appreciated.

I likely won't be back online for at least 24 - 36 hours. The flight to Beijing alone is 12 hours! I'll take some pictures and share them with you, somewhere, online. (Maybe here.)

Hold down the fort, be kind, patient and understanding with the moderators. It is really unfair to them for me to leave right in the middle of this. (Sorry guys!)

And if you can afford it, please make a donation to the site which will go to the unsung heroes behind the scenes here who make this site possible and keep this community together. We're good through the convention, thanks to the last moneybomb. Beyond that, we'll have to see. It would be nice to keep the site going through December 21, 2012, when we all check out anyway. ;-)

Thank you everyone for a wonderful ride. Remember that tolerance is the substrate of liberty, and freedom begins with you, It begins in your mind. (I've learned a few things from my neuroscientist wife.) If you are consumed with hatred, fear, anger or spite, you are not close to being free.

And while it sounds like a cliche, they're only cliches because they are true: Love is the answer. Find love in your heart and you will lack for nothing. It is the most powerful force in the Universe.

Onward, friends, with the LOVEOLUTION!

In Love,

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In my opinion Michael doesn't

In my opinion Michael doesn't give a f*** about this site anymore, to much work for too little money and fame..."the number of subscribers is down", "I would close it down in December"...pretty much tells you what's in his mind.

I think he cares ALLOT

But I also think he has been hurt recently, and he's not telling us directly, how or why he has been hurt. I think it's a hurt that is so deep, if many of us knew how badly he was hurt, we would abandon ship, but not him. After all, Nystrom is more like us than any of us are like Ron Paul. I think Nystrom got a taste of what it is to be a Paul. So, like Ron Paul, he keeps it to himself and those closest to him.

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I think

you are closer to the truth than others realize. I don't know about the whole "got a taste of what it is to be a Paul" thing, but the rest of your statement could be fairly accurate.

Things are not always as they seem.


What I meant by, "got a taste of what it is to be Paul", is he got his own "Breakfast with Berneke", trickle down style.

I thought Daily Paul should have been THE Ron Paul blog/ and several who have posted here seem to also think Daily Paul is THE medium for Ron Paul's message.

Ron Paul was never an insider. Michael Nystrom was also never an insider. Seems both got an inside taste that has left them silent.

Michael Nystrom is a HERO of the rEVOLution in more ways than meets our ears and eyes.

Seems allot of folks refer to Daily Paul as DP anyways... maybe that is the way to go (this is my own way of coping with pending change). I want to give due respect to Michael Nystrom, who was actually more the messenger of Ron Paul's message with Daily Paul than anyone Ron Paul paid.

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I hope this site continues and keeps the same name of Daily Paul

Maybe someday we'll have a Ron Paul Institute like Mises Institute, there's no reason to change the name. I've always loved the name and I think it has historical value!


I would totally frequent a

I would totally frequent a site called, MichaelNystrom.com. And you can forward from, DailyPaul.com to it.

Michael's a fantastic writer, always encouraging and focuses on the big picture. I don't doubt that his name alone can keep the Daily Paul community together.

Keep the Name

Keep the name. Ron Paul is and will always be (unless he does something crazy like astoundingly insane like endorsing Romney like his son) synonymous with the Liberty Movement.

Let's not forget---people are not infallible. Thomas Jefferson even screwed up with his embargo preventing businesses from doing business overseas.

Ron Paul has NOT screwed up---yet. He has NOT endorsed Romney. Am I happy with what he has done and how he handled his campaign? Absolutely not. Do I think he should have went after the GOP for having their thugs beat us up at conventions? Absolutely.

And do I think there is a chance that he was never in this to win, but to milk us dry and give his campaign chest to his son? Guys---I hate to say this, but ANYthing is possible with politicians.

I have said since DAY 1 that I supported Ron Paul because I support the ideas that he stands for. I have ALWAYS said that I can not fully support HIM because he is, unfortunately, a politician, and although I would love to support him and believe that he is 100% pure, he would be the ONLY exception to the rule. I have always said that he could in fact, betray his supporters, because historically speaking, politicians do that---even our greatest heroes in American history did things like this.

That having been said, even if it turns out that Ron Paul has never been in it to win, it doesn't change the fact that he was the sole person responsible for spreading the message of Liberty to the American people and to the World. He, like Jefferson, will always be remembered for this, even if he had his shortcomings.

Keep the name. Daily Paul means something to everyone. Everyone knows that Ron Paul stands for Constitutional Government, sound money, sensibly foreign policy. Let's not change thing that don't need to be changed.

This, keep the name

He is the standard and the fact that someone actually lived and voted the standard will be (unfortunately) still electrifying long after he is gone, given the lack of others doing the same thing. (sorry, grumpy right now.)

At some point in the future perhaps another course will seem best, but certainly for some time, I would think it should stay the same. The man is STILL the inspiration.....

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

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two distinct factions

Micheal asks a rhetorical question. And for those that listen, he answers it as well. At the outset, MN wanted the Daily Paul to be an actionable, constructive response to the myriad problems culminating at a dire point in history. One objective, as I remember it, was to avert disaster by working within the system. But the overall quest for truth, and the resulting dissemination of truth, was accomplished in unimaginable ways. The Daily Paul was a verifiable catalyst to the incipient liberty awareness movement and this thirst for understanding fostered grassroots momentum so powerful it reached beyond any expected boundaries. The positive affects may be too numerous to list; saving the system notwithstanding.

You can easily divide the mindset of the Daily Paul in many ways. But there are two distinct factions. On one hand you have those that see this energy coursing through the circuits of the Republican party as a revitalizing force. And clearly it is, to some immeasurable degree. The positive flow counters aspects of the massive energy sump that is the republican (or democratic) party. This is working-within-the-system. If you believe in the system and the Republican party, it would be difficult to understand why others would not applaud and even support this outcome.

On the other hand there are growing numbers of folks who perceive the current state of our political and economic system as rotten to the core. Worse still with each passing day, the system is also perceived as beyond repair; terminal. For this faction, investing time, passion, and money (working within the system) is increasingly recognized as an exercise in futility; a misallocation of resources, so to write.

The former group may not be able to perceive the true source of that grassroots energy, so the juxtaposition of it's final use is difficult to grasp. Yet to the later group the contrast is as vivid as it is sardonic. Restated; to the former group, Alex Jones' latest assessment seems unnecessarily extreme. While folks in the later group are saying “damn, that guy may have nailed it.”

Ron Paul spoke of concepts all but lost, and he did it speaking truth to power. Paul lit many candles; the Daily Paul provided the string and the wax. Thank them both.

Does it help to consider that a lightning rod does not affix itself to a building or tower? That the owner places the device where the owner wants? ...where it is needed to save the structure (the system). The future of liberty movement may not pivot on politics at all. The final solution may present itself, simply, as no longer feeding a corrupt system - in any way. Liberty may survive at a local level, in decentralized form; perhaps that's the only chance it ever had.

Both factions are necessary

In fact they are not factions but just different stages of enlightenment.

The freedom revolution needs both.

We need people working within the system to wake people up who only have eyes on the system (and this is still the vast majority).

And we need people outside the system, people who have totally stopped supporting the beast in any way.

The second "group" were the first "group" years ago.

So go Rand, I support you all the way.

And go Alex Jones, David Icke and all - you are revealing the truth for anybody ready to listen.

Ron Paul is an icon, he has a special role that will never be repeated. From now on we need numbers more than we need leaders.

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Lars, I've read your comment a couple times. There's a logic in your words that appeals to me – I found myself wanting to agree with you. But in the end, I don't; on several points.

First, I'm not convinced that any of our 'political' perspectives are enlightened; I could be wrong.

Second, I don't really see this path, or these perspectives, as necessarily linear. When I was younger I used to think if I could explain it well enough, the listener would understand. That put the responsibility of making the case on me - but that thought process also possessed a presumption that I just couldn't see at the time. Who's to say my perspective is even right, much less the only one.

Third, and this is what I thought this site was all about – People on the Inside – Making a Difference. But do they, in substantial ways that matter? That's the real question. The original idea was to make a difference – a Big difference and FAST. Change takes time and we all know this, but part of this exercise was to work within the system to see if it still works. I wanted to know, so I have supported this cause.

We find the system isn't rusty from non-use. No, the system is formidable and fights back in every conceivable way – it doesn't belong to us, it's not ours. And understanding this reality is not synonymous with giving up. To some degree it's simply tactical awareness, accessing the situation for what it is. If you're going to leave your children anything, give them a shot at the truth – because blind faith and hope ain't much of a heritage.

I totally agree with you

I am not sure how you disagree with me, however that is not important anyway.

DP Evolution with Its Core Transcending

Someone below said Don't change the name, the mission is changing on you but it will naturally evolve and the meaning of the name can evolve with it.


Hasn't the DP experienced changes, too? The DP was for Ron's run in 2007-08, then it relaxed and freedom issues became primary between camapaign seasons then the site kicked into gear focusing on Ron's run this time. After this campaign season, focus will again turn to other topics, a natural waning from Ron. That's OK.

These changes have and will reflect what DPers have known all along and how we've conducted ourselves all along, not as fanatics but as respectful people on point, on issue. That dynamic raises freedom and stamps out occultism and it probably would promote new membership and people who know little or nothing about Ron to look into Ron's history, a perfect introduction to freedom because, after all, isn't it incongruent that members of place named after someone talk about things other than that someone? No. Of course not. It's nothing but congruent, naturally so. Again, we have always been about freedom and it happens Ron E. Paul is part of it and that this website is a respectful acknowledgement of his presense in it, hence DP's Hall of Fame. (But maybe DP HoF should be DP Hall of Liberty.)

Keep the name and add more functions -- freedom TV, freedom radio, freedom video chat, a freedom calender scheduled with freedom debates and events such as DPers informing people about their bake sales, garage sales, annual week-long 3-on-3 freedom basketball tournaments and freedom golf tournaments. Let's create our communication mediums and freedom events. Let's "spread the message!"

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

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I can almost

guarantee you that the name of the DP WILL change. Who knows if it will even BE here if people keep cancelling their subscriptions. Heck, we could all be particles of cosmic dust come December 21st....8)

The discussion of whether or how to proceed, has been taking place LONG before these recent events occurred.
As MN and a few others have mentioned, it is the participants and subject matter that make the place special, not the name.

Sure, we were led here by a common cause and an admiration for a man who impacted our lives in many ways in the beginning, but Michael (and crew) has done MORE than his part in providing a launch pad for a lot of great ideas. It literally boggles my mind to think what kind of impact has been made from that tiny nook in his kitchen. He is not obligated to do ANYTHING further as far as I am concerned..He never was.

I would personally LOVE to see this wonderful place transform and continue to be a lot of things to a lot of people, but it would be selfish of me to say that "this is your destiny" and you must conform to my wishes.
True friendship is respecting and supporting whatever decisions your friend decides to make. (unless they are obviously self destructive) I also believe people need to be free to go where they feel called to serve.

After the last "election," I secured the domain name:
Even though it is a terribly long and cumbersome domain name, I would be happy to donate it to whoever had the resources and gumption that Michael has shown to continue this campfire that has forged a lot of great ideas, into actions that won't soon be forgotten.

None of us really knows exactly what the future holds. (some claim to know, but I am generally skeptical of them) but I feel it is important to have a place to gather, share, and prepare for whatever unfolds. (regardless of who provides it)

Thank you again Michael (and crew) for all that you've done, and do.


This website is not about Ron Paul.

It is "dedicated to restoring constitutional government to the United States of America," isn't it Michael?

Ron retiring from Congress changes nothing.

There's no reason that the DP should change.

"I'm not much interested in leading the masses into the Republican party. The Campaign for Liberty and YAL are professional political organizations that will no doubt carry on in that role. I understand that is the path for some, and I respect that. It is not the path for me, and I hope those who disagree will be gracious enough to respect that as well. This site will not become the Daily Rand."

The future of this movement lies in the Republican Party. The future of this movement lies with people other than Ron (he is mortal after all). If you reject that future, you are effectively quitting. So what are your intentions here, I don't understand...

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Why even change the name?

Why even change the name? Sure, it began as a site to discuss the presidential campaign, but let it evolve naturally into what you know it will become - a discussion of ideas Paul espoused. 30 years from now The Daily Paul can still make sense in the same way a Daily Rothbard or Daily Hayek would make sense: a discussion of all things related to Paulian ideas of liberty, Austrian economics and a helping of pragmatic constitutional federalism for good measure. Don't change the name, the mission is changing on you but it will naturally evolve and the meaning of the name can evolve with it.

Washington, DC NW



well said


Keep the blog as it is

This fight is not anywhere near over. The only thing that has changed is that we now know Rand and Jessie are Judas'.

you picked a fine time to leave us Lucille.

Enjoy "china" ;)

End of an era

The RP era has ended. He achieved his goal. He never thought he would get elected. He wanted to inspire people. Using C4L, LRC, and mises.org, he converted droves of people to market anarchism. He showed people that politics won't work. Once the government becomes a feeding trough (it inevitably will), then no matter how inspirational a politician comes around, he can't break the masses from their self interest.

The most important piece of government propaganda is the claim that we need it at all, even in its smallest form. Break free from the shackles. Don't give in to the temptation to use the ring for your own ends. It can't be done without consuming you.

Carpe libertatem!

'The Anarchists are simply unterrified Jeffersonian Democrats. They believe that “the best government is that which governs least,” and that which governs least is no government at all.'
-Benjamin Tucker

Bon Voyage! I Believe That is French For ..." Have a Nice Trip"

We love you Michael! You deserve a nice vacation Michael. You worked your butt off for the cause of liberty. Tell your wife we love her too for putting up with us... All of your efforts are appreciated and will someday pay HUGE dividends (Gold & Silver) Come back well rested my good friend.

I wish I could get away too. I'm so angry and stressed out from all the events that have transpired lately. I may need to put in for a months vacation. Right now I'm growing a huge victory garden. I may have gone a little ape with all my vegetable plants, but at least I can feed half the neighborhood if I need to.

Always, your friend In liberty,



And get back soon.

- J

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

Keep the name Daily Paul

Whatever happens in the future does not change how we all got here. Ron Paul inspired us all to be whatever it is we are. Let's keep the name and let the legacy continue to grow and morph. When a person grows up or moves, or changes direction, whatever, they don't change their name each time. Ron Paul, to me, will always be the example to look to and this site, likewise, has continuted to inspire and open my mind to new ideas.

The only name change I willingly did, was when I married. That was a joy to change my name. But for something like this website, I do not see it as that type of a name change situation.

Just my thoughts from the peanut gallery. Thanks for this site!


I like Daily Liberty

or the Daily Nystrom, + last names of moderators or contributors.

The DP

If there is an issue with the site's name including a namesake, couldn't we just remain the "DP" - which is how we often refer to it anyway? That is, a tribute if no longer with a name attached.

Who is to say what the D and P stand for! Why, it could stand for... oh, I don't know, the Daily [We The] People, or Dissenters Plenty, or the Dainty Petunia for that matter. Not that the letters need to "stand for" anything: to wit, the S in Harry S. Truman. I can't imagine those who've been here for four or five years; I'm here just over a month and I'm already attached to the DP. Well, it's a suggestion.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir


We need someone to start a new website.

Whatever Michael chooses is Hunky Dory with me


When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir


bigmouth, why don't you start one yourself? You can call it "Comments by Rude Pricks"



When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Just keep it

Hell, I'll keep it up andd pay the server costs. All of us would. This is the Daily Paul. It'd be a shame to take that away.

Sure, the numbers will go down. But don't remove or rename the place where personal freedom grew again. This is the meeting grounds. We're still here. And we always will be.

Happiness is found alone on a gravel road.

Well, I disagree with your

Well, I disagree with your statement - - "The Liberty movement is big and sprawling, and the only thing holding this faction together is Ron Paul."

It is the expression of human nature to be free, - in order to survive and to truly prosper. Only those predators who seek to live off the lives of others, would fight human Liberty.

We need to become our own personal Leaders. Educate ourselves further (on history, Liberty, economics, etc) to the point where we don't look to others to lead us by the hand. Ron Paul's greatest legacy is how many people he educated on Liberty & the Constitution, and how many he got to consider these subjects of crucial importance.

In my opinion, having a forum to discuss these topics is great. I would drop the "Daily Paul" name; it smacks too much of a cultish focus on one man. Ron has done a wonderful job of educating so many people, and now its time to graduate. That is, its time for us to lead ourselves, and to educate others on Liberty.


You've got it!!! That's what Ron was always trying to do. He subtly pushed market anarchism on people. C4L sent out Rothbard, Ron promoted LRC and mises.org. It's no coincidence that the majority of the austrian school is for market anarchism. Same for Napolitano, Tom Woods, Doug Casey, and even Lew to some extent. They use constitutionalism as a way of getting people interested. Then you're supposed to figure out that politics will never work. I recommend a VERY short read:
Anatomy of the State

'The Anarchists are simply unterrified Jeffersonian Democrats. They believe that “the best government is that which governs least,” and that which governs least is no government at all.'
-Benjamin Tucker

"Daily _ _ _ _",

please add suggestions. There is a frame on the top right side of DP that says -"Inspired by Ron Paul". Let the address remain the same, it is years old and very familiar, on top of page the title could be new, more attuned to the freedom movement /mission /goals, etc.
Your emphasis is on Individual Responsibility, same as Dr. Ron Paul.
in earnest, with Ernest.

Not too brilliantly

Not too brilliantly imaginative, but how about "Daily Freedom"?

It's in my "Daily" Folder

I have 3-4 sites in a folder marked "daily" that I visit, well, daily. This is the only one I visit at least twice, and sometimes continually per day.

It is my news hub. My view of the world is so much better (nicer, constructive, hopeful, accurate, and intelligent), here.

If others keep coming, so will I. I rely on them for my news.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

The Daily Paul and the Standard It Projects

Not even Rand Paul could tarnish Ron's reputation and the significance of this website, the Daily Paul.

Anyone who has come and will come to this website knows this site's inspiration. That person needn't look past the front door, where RP's smiling away in that photo off to the right.

Seems to me 97% of commentators in this thread want the DP name to stick. I'm among them.

This website is about freedom and its inspiration should be remembered, and perhaps, Michael, if you're thinking about a name change to focus on liberty -- not that I think the name change is needed to do that, which I'll explain in a moment -- then how about creating a place on the DP to move the presense of its inspiration to? (Boy, is that sad.) Maybe a DP Hall of Fame whose first (and only?) inductee is the man Ronald Ernest Paul?

The DP HoF would be the new place for ads and info about Ron if you're worried about Ron's image constantly vying freedom for attention. But I must say, the RP ads will give way to ads that move with time, a natural removal of RP ads, and I doubt to the tune of a percentage more than five of DPers would conduct themselves as if RP was a cult figure because they'd be busy talking about freedom but DPers would always feel warm and welcomed and comforted to know RP's likeness is here and whose record could be called on during debate.

If other inductees can be admitted, I think they would have to have shown they meet the Ron Paul Standard, a standard this website out of all other websites thanks to its members' doing so could vet the candidates. The vetting wouldn't be formal or official or out of a committee or a central authority. No. It would be recognized from reflection, a reaching back into the archives here and other sources, letting the facts speak for themselves. Yeah, that could work.

Someone, maybe you, mentioned veneration. I just don't see that happening on this website. How this website is constructed, how it operates -- that an individual can say what he wants and be praised or criticized -- dialogue will always be localized, vetting (read: continual thinking improvement) will always happen. The misnamed, the ill logic, the ill bread, all those things lose. They just can't buy a break where conditions invite scrutiny.

As long as interaction here is how it's been, free and voluntary, what is good will rise and what is bad will sink. That's nature for you. The human isn't perfect but he is a good being. In freedom, man's acts rise way more often than sink. I don't need a poll to tell me that. In my life daily I see the evidence everywhere and I see it daily in abundance in a place I love coming to. The Daily Paul.

I remember talking with a young guy standing behind a counter in a hole-in-the-wall video game store a couple years ago. We were reminiscing about old games, Nintendo and Super Nintendo games. I said, Games sure have changed a lot, games' creativity, ingenuity, thought and fun have been distilled throughout the years. There's a blandness about games now, their style, their play, their control, even their purpose. He agreed with me despite being probably a decade younger than me.

After a while talking with him and just when I was about to leave the store before wrapping up our conversation on judging games objectively and subjectively, he said that if he could only choose to play games he played and liked or games he didn't yet play but received great reviews, he said he'd prefer games he played and liked. While I was halfway through the door's threshold, I looked back at him not a second after he said that comment and I smiled faintly and said, Me too.

When individuals give their opinions freely, generality is formed and its components, the individuals, (should) remain what they are, independent.

Logic is performed to protect what is sentimental.

And no website embodies and projects the transcendent state freedom as well as the Daily Paul does, and


School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

I like this place

The name "Daily Paul" has power and name recognition. "Paul" has a stronger punch than "Ron" or so, and Ron Paul is the only name that pops into my head when I hear "Paul," so I'd rather the name stay the same.

This is my primary news site. It's great seeing news articles and videos from all over that has to do with the liberty movement or would be important to us, and I really enjoy seeing the opinion pieces, too.

I hope the Daily Paul stays as it is, as a place for liberty-lovers to gather and share news and opinions and information in general. It's a great support system. I know that I am more hopeful and optimistic for our future because I come here. I can't get this level of excitement and optimism elsewhere.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

SInce the Paul name has been sullied by Rand

Perhaps we could call it the Daily Ron. Just don't let this site die out. We need to stick together and keep fighting.

Thats beautiful and everything...


Would be nice if ya'll would be apart of it...

but, eh.. just hoping.

When injustice becomes law - rebellion becomes duty.


Agree - Keep it the Daily Paul

I agree with the comments below. I think the name should remain the Daily Paul to give credit to the man who has opened many our eyes to the corruption and greed from the elite who have abandoned the principles of our founding fathers.

Make this a source for all liberty fighter news - Justin Amash, Judge Napolitano and so on.

Coordination and communication hub

Let it be a sort of hub for grassroots nationwide for liberty candidates and other liberty oriented organized activities to include supporting local liberty candidates.

You have a lot to consider

and I know you are a very thoughtful person who will do what is best.

Please, consider bringing back "BULL NOT BULL" which I thought was a great name.

The future does not look very good for having free flowing honest discussions, not in a highly censored society.

Enjoy your trip.

Peace & Love to All

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

Daily (silent p) All

I don't know the exact way to represent this on a keyboard...(perhaps a p with two small dots above it...?), but I move to change the name of the Daily Paul to the "Daily (silent p character inserted here) All."..."Daily pAll."...that way we pay respect to our coalescer,but claim the movement as our own. Do I have a second...?

I have a question for your Wife.

what is the pressure differential across the brain? how is it metered? has this been studied? lets just consider the blood pressure differential for now....
hope you enjoy your trip!

Daily Nystrom.

Daily Nystrom.

What's so wrong about leaving

What's so wrong about leaving the name as recognition for the man who inspired a whole new generation of liberty lovers? Who else in modern history has been able to accomplish what Ron Paul has done for the liberty movement in just 4 years? What if there had not been that blowback debate? Could someone other than Ron Paul and his stellar voting record have had the same impact? I don't believe so. I'd still be a registered independent with that same feeling in the back of my mind that something was wrong in Washington, but that I couldn't quite put my finger on it. I would have not known about the Federal Reserve or why property rights and state's rights are paramount. Oh my gosh I was so clueless back then.

But whatever is decided about the Daily Paul will be fine with me.

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Just a clarification, after reading lots of comments below -

DP will still be here. We're not going to hit the power button, pack up the servers and sell them to Jon on EBay for evil Frankensteinian Electronic Programming Experimentation.

It's just that we won't be Daily Paul, the likeness of anyone's namesake. And to be clear, as Michael said, as the Ron Paul era comes to a close, "we will not become the Daily Rand."

When a site is 'individual focused' on a particular person, the moderation must be much tighter, because it's somebody else's name we are, in effect, representing.

We wish to break free of that, so that so we can delve into, well, a whole lot more, for each of us to continue expanding our minds and critical thought. Many topics that were once shoved aside won't so much have to be - because we aren't constrained by the likeness of someone's name on the site.

There are some very brilliant minds among us, and we recognize that. Since all we have ever known here is Ron Paul it would be nice to see what each of us have to offer liberty aside from only Ron Paul.

We were seeded as a young community, It is time to grow old as a community, and reach for wisdom.

Your post kept me awake bigmikedude

I actually sat here for four hours in the wee hours of the morning staring at the screen before I had to break away and eat sugar to pretend I'm feeling ok anyways about this post.

Then I had a thought about a place I remember going when I was a little kid. Knott's Berry Farm. Knott's Berry Farm, used to be a blackberry farm. The big attraction was making a huge cloud of dust while driving on a dirt easement lined with blackberry's. Back then you could take a hay ride to a berry patch and pick "thornless berries", get poked by stickers anyways, and maybe get a bee sting. The Knott's opened a small restaurant and served pancakes with maple or blackberry syrup, and offered bell jars of jams, jelly and syrup. It was a very popular place during the summer, offering a family a fun get away that wasn't that far away, but parents were pretty sure no one was going to get bit by a rattle snake. Disney always costs more. You had to plan for Disney, not Knott's.

Then the Knott's expanded the restaurant and included full breakfasts and a large assortment of syrups, apricot, bluberry, strawberry, and fried chicken, and it got noisy, and super busy, and people waited to eat. They included pony rides and a carosel and had a hokey arcade, and the road got paved and they stopped offering people the opportunity for a hay ride to go pick berries. They installed a petting zoo, and it was popular with poor families who couldn't afford Disneyland, or an alternative, because it was "rustic" CA, which people LOVED (like DP).

Then they relocated the restaurant, expanded to accomodate a massive parking lot, included a little choo choo train and kiddy carnival rides, and the food in the restaurant was good, but on the commercial side, replaced the syrup containers with bottles of syrup you could buy, they expanded the store and offered a large assortment of souveniers, some having nothing to do with the farm. People began to forget it was a fam since you couldn't pick berries anymore.

Then they made a contract with Charles Schultz and other companies and brought Snoopy and the gang over, offered roller coaster rides, and became very commercial and the only berries were all packaged in bottles for sale, and the next generation marveled at the idea that it was once a berry farm because it became a massive parking lot with high security due to gangs, super long lines, and the big day became Halloween as Knott's Scary Farm AKA Snot's Scary Farm where screaming was the attraction.

I think more people think of it as Snot's Scary Farm and gang related crime than anything, besides Snoopy today. The old folks like me, think back to the gold old days, and dearly miss OLD California when a hay ride to pick fresh berries was THE most fun, getting dirty and spending the day surrounded by flowers and berries and small groups of "dirty" people, berry stained tongues and hands with dirty nostrills, and their paper bags full of berries to take home.

I don't think the Knotts even own it anymore.

City kids have no ideas where berries even come from, but they do know who Snoopy is, and the Halloween Snot's Scary Farm costs nearly as much as Disney.

One of the things I hate about my state is how they have torn down the old to build the new. California has wonderful bungalows that were so human friendly, soothing to the eye, the heart, to rest and relax and all those flowers and flowering trees of all kinds, the air smelled great, the views were marvelous, and then progress in the 60s paved paradise, smog wiped out the voews, southern CA became one big ugly parking lot named highways.

We have always said this rEVOLution is bigger than Ron Paul. When I met Ron Paul and he said, "Thank you for inviting me to your rEVOLution", I thought I lost it. "What did he say?" MY rEOLution? I had just spent a week making "Join the Ron Paul rEVOLUtion", banners with my meet-up number... and get this: GOOGLE RON PAUL (If I was to make a banner today it would say "UCK GOOGLE, VOTE FOR RON PAUL".

Change is enevitable, progress is what we do, but you gotta keep the baby when you toss the bathwater . Knott's gave up berrys, but it's still called Knott's Berry Farm. Walt Disney died, but it's still Disneyland, Kroc passed away, but it's still called McDonald's, America lost her Constitution and Bill of Rights and it's still THE United States.

Ron Paul got me into the bloody GOP, I have a seat on a Republican Central Committee and I feel like you guys are jumping in life rafts with names I have no clue what they will be and abandoning me... Oh you'll still be here you say... FRANKENMONSTER"S ELETRONIC KOOLAID STAND, or something.

I can't tell you how many times the campaign, Ron Paul, the mods, a number of posters have dissappointed me (and I'm positive it's visa versa). I'm definately not among the most brilliant among us. I should be feeling good as my county got over 15% for Ron Paul, he placed second, by comparison to the state where Ron Paul took just over 10% (YOU BETTER BELIEVE I THINK THIS ELECTION WAS RIGGED!)

I'm worn out from months of heavy campaigning. I'm angry I'm not going to Tampa. I've never been a fan of the campaign, but I'm also not going to bash them. And now this.. I want to cry, but I'm just too spun. I will cry... you change the name, I will cry. It will be THE END, (END THE FED, Not the name Daily Paul) and I don't want an end. I'm willing to morph, not end. Ohhhhhhh deep sigh. I was up all night tossing and turning.. too much change at one time and it's not even December.

God Bless you and keep you well and happy bigmikedude. It was more about LOVE than EVOLve for me anyways.

Agree Totally

For many of us, logging on to the DP is the first thing we do in the morning....and then check in many times during the day.

For me ...it is The Daily. That says it all for me. The place I go to learn from my peers...to share...to know like-minded people are trying to decipher the real news and plan for the future...even impact the future.

It is actually a place where I could ask a sincere question about ...just about anything and have a high likelihood that someone would respond in an intelligent manner and without putting me down for the gap in my understanding. There is no place else that DAILY I could go to and have questions answered, be intellectually stimulated, spiritually uplifted and feel a part of a community.

Yep, for me it IS The Daily. Let's stay together...