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Time to tell which Paul supporters are intelligent enough to read between the lines...

Time to tell which Paul supporters are intelligent enough to read between the lines and which will allow their knee-jerk reaction be to abandon Rand Paul and call him a traitor to the cause of liberty.

So, tonight Rand Paul endorsed Romney for president. I think it was a good move on Rand's part seeing as party loyalty runs deep for the sheeple of our country. Deep down, however, I'm sure he knows it will garner exactly zero votes for Romney from the Liberty movement... in fact, with that in mind, I see no danger in the move at all.

After Romney loses in a landslide to Obama, Rand can run in 2016 without being blamed for contributing to the margin that caused Republicans to lose in 2012. I'm sure the faint of heart will abandon Rand, will cry foul play, will call him names, but that's ok. So far, he's given me no real reason to mistrust him. Besides, it's not like he says he agrees with his philosophy (as if he Romney has one) - just that they have similar family values and agree on like 4 policies (none of which Romney will actually do anything about).

In the grand scheme of things, it makes absolutely no difference at this point. No one is going to say "OH! Rand supports Romney?, he must be a true conservative, then" This is obvious Republican politics, and can only benefit the liberty movement at this point. I don't necessarily think it is a VP move, I think it's more far-sighted than that. I'm thinking 2016. Politicians think in terms of 4 and 8 years... constituents think in terms of months... MAYBE years at best... so it becomes hard to keep everything in perspective sometimes.

Let's take a moment and imagine it is 2016. Romney is as McCainesque, not-distant-enough memory and we have an open election for the White House. Rand Paul is nominated to run for the GOP nomination. Formerly a tea-party favorite and a champion for fiscal conservatism in the Republican party, Rand lost much of his support when he went against the party's nominee and supported writing in Ron Paul or even worse, voting third party for president in 2012! How could this man, who carried so much sway in tea party movement betray the GOP? This traitor to the party cost the GOP the 2012 election, and is the reason Obama got another 4 years. No one could ever elect this man. Paul Ryan it is! We must gather around and elect Rick Santorum, and with no incumbent in the white house, the GOP will win and put Marco Rubio in the oval office for 8 years! This is what all the hot heads want, right? Rand to be a perfectly conforming non-conformist in the liberty movement? To be "JUST LIKE HIS DAD?"

What I can't understand is how anyone in the liberty movement can not see how obvious this is. You'd have to be numb to reality to not read between the lines on this one. I for one, will be using this opportunity to separate my intelligent, Ron Paul supporting friends from my irrational, overly-emotional, non-conformist for the sake of non-conformity supporters of paul just because he is anti-establishment friends. I swear, if Ron became president half of these people wouldn't like him any more just because he would, by definition be the "establishment." It truly saddens me to see the lack of trust, and the lack of loyalty so many have.

Trey Stinnett
Co-Founder
RonPaulSwag.com

---UPDATE---

It is not my intention to say that anyone who thinks that whatever Rands plan is won't work, or anyone who thinks that playing politics won't work, or anyone who says that purist ideology is the BEST way to grow the movement, or anyone who says that the two party system is bunk, or that the only way to restore our liberties is revolution is, in any way, unintelligent. What I AM saying is this: if you are the over-reactors who are posting images of Rand with a for sale sign, calling him a sell out, or a traitor, or "Benedict Rand" you aren't seeing clearly.

We are at war. This war for liberty isn't a game of checkers, it is a game of chess - infinitely more complicated than any of us can know. There are patriots, two of whom I believe to be the Pauls, who are employing vastly different strategies in an effort to effect positive change toward liberty.

The way that Ron gained his popularity was by being ideologically pure, not making bunk endorsements, and not playing party politics. Ron is the ultimate advocate for liberty- a role model for anyone who wants to be a liberty EVANGELIST. However, evangelism isn't the only weapon we have at our disposal.

There are many in the movement, I dare say most, who believe the complete removal of our government is the only way to restore our liberties. There are those who exercise civil disobedience - ignoring unconstitutional laws and being thrown in jail. Those who advocate 911 truth while publicly supporting Dr. Paul despite the negative effects of their association. There are expats, off-gridders, protestors, gulchhers, seasteaders, and finally there are politicians.

Rand Paul is a politician. Just because he doesn't move in diagonal lines like a bishop or side to side like a rook does not make him a traitor to liberty! Recognize that we each feel called to employ a different strategy and that in-fighting, name calling, and jumping to conclusions for the sake of your own self-gratification as your own form of "purist" is completely counterproductive and can only benefit the statists.

I am glad to see so many comments by people who can tell there is more to play here. What saddens me I how quickly some are willing to throw one of our own under the bus - especially of something as insignificant as endorsing the GOP nominee over Obama.

I can't stress this enough: We need people fighting for our liberties on all fronts. If you don't think that playing politics is the best way, or even proper (and you're probably right), that's ok. But labeling someone a traitor because they are trying to fight according to the rules, is short-sighted and counter productive. There is a whole sector of this movement who believe that there is only one way to advance liberty and the moment that someone tries a different tactic they aim to tear down all that we have worked for. Don't be that person, please. Be above it. Be smart. Disagree with Rand's strategy all you want, but don't believe him a traitor to our cause.

As always, Jack Hunter says it better than I: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/06/08/ron-paul-is-becoming-s...



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Lol,

Wake-up and smell the truth!

Lew Rockwell tells the hard truth about Rand Paul, something a lot Paullites don’t want to hear. I’m a realist, and could see it for some time, why can’t you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGfcS6NkiAY&feature=youtu.be

Our nation is a total mess because of all the compromising going on.

The Winds of Change!

Is anyone else getting sick to death of these posts and

comments, claiming separation between "intelligent" and "non intelligent" Ron Paul supporters.... or being ashamed of those who are angry with Rand... or calling people pathetic for expressing dissent? I freaking am! This WHOLE movement is supposed to be about integrity, transparency, and challenging the status quo .... NOT Compromise.... or "if you can't beat em join em" mentality! I mean what is going on here? Do we need a reminder that Rand did not endorse Romney in some press release.... Nooooo... He went on Sean Freaking Hannity! Is his smug warmongering, propagandizing, outright lying, 'Ron Paul dissing' face not imprinted in your minds eye yet? Oh, and let's Campaign for Obomney too while we are at it. If you volunteered, trusted or gave some of your hard earned cash to Rand... you have a right be angry. Stop patronizing us, we are not children.... it has been our hard work, blood sweat and tears as well as yours. It seems to me, calling someone else out on their intelligence level, is not very intelligent!

Dagny
"I don't know if the world is full of smart men bluffing
or imbeciles who mean it."

The Hannity thing

is it. There is a message there for certain. It is a big fat bird being flipped at Ron Pauls supporters. Surely Rand could see that.

Remember:

He said " my dad is my number one pick." Everything else he said was pure Paul-itics :)

The OP is wrong. Rand isn't compromising for a future win

Rand was coerced via threats.

THAT'S what is between the lines.

What were the excuses that Rand gave for backing Romney? Similar family structure and trusting that Romney would audit the Fed and such.

These are incredibly lame excuses. The fact is that Rand doesn't have a good reason to back Romney.

Rand and Ron and others are being coerced. That is the intelligent interpretation of these events.

This movement got stronger AFTER 2008. We didn't go away, we got stronger.

The powers that be finally figured out how to curb our momentum: compromise.

That is why they coerced the Pauls and others into publically compromising and admiting delegate defeat BEFORE the big delegate showdown in Tampa.

Possible

Of course many things could be at play. No matter how you slice it, calling Rand a traitor and a sellout are counter productive and short-sighted. Whatever the reason, Rand endorsement does exactly nothing but solidify his personal standing in the party. Romney didn't need it. None of us are going to vote for him. Not eve if Ron endorsed Romney would we vote for him.

All good points.

I wish Rand well.

No

doubt his friend Hannity and his neocon chums will see that things go well for Rand.

I assure you

The campaign and Rand are not speaking in a secret code, that means the opposite of what they explicitly state.

Believing this is not intelligent, it is delusional.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

And what is it

that you suppose Rand spoke? He said "Dad's out, vote for Mitt." doesn't make him a traitor - makes him a politician... The only one, I might add, that the liberty movement has at that level of government.

If you want to...

If you want to to support Rand's endorsement and vote for Romney, then go right ahead.

But, don't expect myself or others to do business with you any longer.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

A follow up

It is not my intention to say that anyone who thinks that whatever Rands plan is won't work, or anyone who thinks that playing politics won't work, or anyone who says that purist ideology is the BEST way to grow the movement, or anyone who says that the two party system is bunk, or that the only way to restore our liberties is revolution is, in any way, unintelligent. What I AM saying is this: if you are the over-reactors who are posting images of Rand with a for sale sign, calling him a sell out, or a traitor, or "Benedict Rand" you aren't seeing clearly.

We are at war. This war for liberty isn't a game of checkers, it is a game of chess - infinitely more complicated than any of us can know. There are patriots, two of whom I believe to be the pauls, who are employing vastly different strategies in an effort to effect positive change toward liberty.

The way that Ron gained his popularity was by being ideology pure, not making bunk endorsements, and not playing party politics. Ron is the ultimate advocate for liberty- a role model for anyone who wants to be a liberty EVANGELIST. Howev, evangelism isn't the only tactic we can employ.

There are many in the movement, I dare say most, who believe the complete removal of our government is the only way to restore our liberties. There are those who exercise civil disobedience - ignoring unconstitutional laws and being thrown in jail. Those who advocate 911 truth while publicly supporting Dr. Paul despite the negative effects of their association. There are expats, off-gridders, protestors, gulchhers, seasteaders, and finally there are politicians.

Rand Paul is a politician. Just because he doesn't move in diagonal lines like a bishop or side to side like a rook does not make him a traitor to liberty! Recognize that we each feel called to employ a different strategy and that in-fighting, name calling, and jumping to conclusions for the sake of your own self-gratification as your own form of "purist" is completely counterproductive and can only benefit the statists.

I am glad to see so many comments by people who can tell there is more to play here. What saddens me I how quickly some are willing to throw one of our own under the bus - especially of something as insignificant as endorsing the GOP nominee over Obama.

Well taken.

You've made some good points, ronpaulswag, thank you.

This is a bitter drink, to accept this move by Rand as a step forward. Time will certainly tell whether it was positive for the liberty movement, or not. Right now, given the dissension in the ranks, it doesn't look very positive. I watched Jack Hunter's video this morning and I'm willing to suspend my disbelief, for the time being.

I do think that if Romney wants the votes of the liberty movement in order to defeat Obama, it would help if he would start making some concessions to our principles.

If Rand is playing a game

with this endorsement, I truly fear for him and pity him at the same time.

This kind of political maneuvering has very limited upside.

I don't withdraw my support from him, but I view his position now with great skepticism. He and Romney will have to show us something real in terms of a liberty platform, and then somehow come up with a way to ensure that the liberty platform will come to fruition under Romney.

Well, it's Romney's move. Will he choose Rand Paul as his running mate? That's not enough. He's got to push auditing the Fed and withdrawing troops from foreign wars where we don't belong. That MIGHT be enough to draw my vote.

Oh, and the Liberty Festival in Tampa needs to take place at the FL Fairgrounds; make it so, Romney.

as you should

we should view all politicians with skepticism - even Dr. Paul. But this minor slight does not call of a complete abandonment of our only voice in senate.

It's like calling those who choose not to participate in politics deserters. Does going off grid or expatriating make you an expat?

How about not pressing for 9/11 truth during both of this presidential bids? People called Ron a sell-out for that.

This fragile movement made up of an infinite number of independent minds needs to be kept together by more than just the handful of overt, single-tactic patriots. We need to understand that there is far more at play here than just trying to educate the public. As I keep repeating, time and again, just because Rand uses different tactics does not make him a traitor or a sell-out.

We'll all gather together in Novemeber, write Ron in, or vote for Gary, or whatever to try and send a message to the nation. A message that will be interpreted as "we are the fringe, hear our .5% roar!!!" Meanwhile Rand is a voice in the senate, and could have the ear of our leaders in Washington for decades to come - who knows? It may not be the tactic you choose, but it is the one he is employing, and I salute him for it.

I, personally, prefer education because politics is messy and convoluted and you simply cannot make everyone happy - as we can see with the overreaction by so many to Rand's endorsement.

I've been sickened

by people on this website.

Rand Paul has been the strongest Champion for Liberty in the Senate since Robert Taft; and his voting record PROVES IT.

What these idiots have done is just prove every Ron Paul detractor right that the R3VOLUTION is nothing but a cult, more about that man than the principles. :(

Really?

Well give us the proof that Romney actually champions liberty, and not an endless supply of taxpayer-funded money for banks.

Rand Paul may have been a strong Champion for Liberty, but this move on his part smells forced or desperate. As much as I would like to have faith in Rand, I need to see some real concessions by Romney.

Please go back to the Romney folks and tell them we want the FL Fairgrounds, and we want it NOW.

If it looks like a duck...

walks like a duck... it's probably a duck!

Dagny
"I don't know if the world is full of smart men bluffing
or imbeciles who mean it."

The Pauls, Rand in particular are Running Operation L-Day

My Theory:

Just the same as we did on D-Day, He is sending misinformation to the enemy (neo-cons, liberals) that he will be attacking on the neo-con front, but that is just a ploy to distract them. When in reality he is ideologically our ally as much as anyone.

Ron Paul has lead a charge, from day one, the enemy has known about it, where its going, what the objective is etc. This strategy, delivered mixed results, some elated some sad, but it is where we are in this point in time.

Ran Paul is employing a different strategy, one that uses deception, to creep in to positions of power under the disguise of going along to get along, but the goals of the two are the same, to take power, then decimate that power back to the people.

Ron's got us to here, Rands gives the bluff that Ron is done, when in reality, its alive and well. We will now fight this battle on TWO fronts. Covert and openly

get ready R3volution!

Don't stop believing

I agree with you,

I agree with you, ronpaulswag...and this is part of making the movement mainstream. Four years from now Hannity will be endorsing Rand Paul for the GOP nomination.

And hopefully

there will be a TRUE liberty candidate running against him.

The ends DO NOT and NEVER

The ends DO NOT and NEVER WILL justify the means.

(A) Ron Paul's supporters support him because he stands fort liberty and integrity.
(B) Romney wouldn't know what liberty and integrity were if they bit him in the butt.
(C) Benedict Rand just endorsed an anti liberty and integrity bought and paid for globalist shill.

Conclusion: Benedict Rand has forfeited all credibility with liberty minded Americans. Good luck with that 2016 thing; I for one will never forget this.

Our country

will be gone by then(2016)!I am not waiting any longer!It is Ron Paul ONLY!Get to Tampa and get them delegates!

You are

absolutely 100% correct GBAmerica!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Romney / Paul

It's gonna happen. Writing on the wall. Have to be in the game to play.
grant

Which Paul?

Thanks.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

I can admit I'm not that intelligent

I don't see Obama winning 2012, as I see the establishment is not happy with Obama.

I'd like to know what are we to do what Romney wins. I believe Romney will win.

All those voters who put Obama in 08 are not there for Obama.

I did some poll watching this past election in CA. Here are some vote facts for my district of just over 11K residents, where we have more registered voters than most counties.. about half.

60% are absentee voters
total 279 people voted at four polling stations.
in my district there are just over 1700 registered Republicans 48 voted.

There are twice as many Democrats, 200 voted
there were 9 congressional candidates 8 were Democrats 1 GOP
There are also about the same amount of No Prefered Party, 28 voted, as CA had a closed primary and their votes were limited to Democrats and Americans Independents
3 libertarians
1 green Party
2 Americans Indepedent

More people attend the Grange Sunday pancake breakfast than vote.

I think Romney is going to win, and I think we have a HUGE opportunity facing us, if we only continue to rEVOLutionize, join the GOP and take it over.

Winning is more than just being president as Obama's term is proving.

Whoever we eventually put into office, will have what Ron paul dreamed to have, Ron Paul Republicans standing for freedom, liberty, sound money, constitutional government, bill of rights....

hopeful thinking

and pure conjecture.

I'd rather have a bottle in front o' me than a frontal lobotomy
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Time to see which Ron Paul

Time to see which Ron Paul supporters will play along with any Neo-conservative endorsement while at the same time hoping one of the scum bags like Romney will bring change.

None of us are going to vote for mitt

Hannity viewers and the rest of the GOP steeple believe that Mitt is the only one left, that Ron can't pull off a miracle in Tampa and that supporting Romney is the only way to save our country from socialism. I needn't pint out the fallacies here to you. The endorsement wasn't intended to garner liberty support - its just about Rand's standing with the party elite and the party sheep. Like I said my op, Rand knows he just got exactly zero of us to vote for Romney come November. I don't even think I would vote for a Mitt/Rand ticket.