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This is what I sent to Carol Paul about Rand's statement. Do you think she'll respond?

Rand's announcement has shaken us all to the core. The posts on the dailypaul are mammoth in volume and emotion. NEVER have there been so many people on the site commenting. Unless Ron has something in mind, and the ability to explain what has happened, it's all over. I can't, and so can't many hundreds of other delegates, afford to go to Tampa if we aren't even going to try to fight for Ron. We have no interest in singing, "Happy Days are here again!" or some other stupid song for Romney while the confetti rains down on us. We are for peace, liberty & sound money, and Romney is anathema to those beliefs.

What is almost as hard to understand, is that Rand has thrown away his base. Rand would not have won in Kentucky without Ron's base. It will be interesting to see if Rand is ever elected again. The base is in shambles. If this was all done so that Rand can be Romney's VP, well what a waste of a senate seat. Romney still won't get RP supporter votes, even with Rand on the ticket. Gary Johnson put out a beautiful ad today on youtube.

I guess one good thing to come out of this is that Rand is just ducky with Hannity, unlike Ron. Rand didn't even have the presence of mind to say, "Invite my Dad to your show, he'll come on." Instead, he just let Hannity's nasty comment go by.

What an awful day for all of us,

Cynthia

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You still didn't read the first line in

both my posts. I told her to look at the site!!!!!!!!!
Now YOU TELL ME, the percentage of positive posts about Rand's statement v. the negative? YOU come up with a spin that the site was full of people posting that this was a WONDERFUL campaign move & how PROUD they were of Rand!

Comon' show me the numbers!

I am not going to argue with you

I expressed my opinion in a civil manner and respect for the work you have done previously. There are a lot of people on this site who think Rand is playing a political game. Some support that notion, some don't. It's not about numbers.

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1988vote's opinion--

since you asked for it.

If you have a personal (you've met her and spent time with her) relationship with Carol Paul, then tell her how you feel, by all means. Otherwise, she won't be able to treat your letter very seriously.

First, you need to ask yourself what your own motives are. Are you hoping she will explain the situation to you in a way that is more understandable than all the 'media speak' that has been coming? She may or may not.

Second, you need to understand that you may not be the only person who is wanting to talk to her right now. She may have a lot happening in her life.

Third, whatever the reasons for Dr. Paul(s) doing what they have done, she is probably feeling a lot of emotion herself, so be aware of that.

These are the possibilities for what has happened--

I will tell you which one(s) *I*, personally, believe after I've finished writing it out--

1--Dr. Paul is tired and wants to be finished. He doesn't know how to tell his followers that, so he's asked his son to endorse Mitt Romney, so that those who support Dr. Paul will be warned in advanced.

2--Rand Paul has decided to break away/rebel and betray his father and the liberty movement, because he has political ambitions of his own and is not as full of integrity as his father is.

3--Those who are in the business of knowing what is going on behind the scenes in politics have approached Ron Paul and told him that if he does not back out he and his followers will be in danger, so Dr. Paul, to appease the "powers that be" has stopped fighting openly in the campaign and agreed to let his son endorse Mitt Romney, which must have been the 'show' required to appease the 'beast'.

4--Dr. Paul realizes that he cannot openly win this election or even the nomination with all of the media and GOP hostility, so he is carrying on the battle in a different arena, by waking up as many people as possible and trying to stir an awakening within the Republican party--he realizes that, in many ways, he has already won the nomination, even though the GOP won't give it to him.

Or, it could be a combination of three and four--

Kennedy didn't have to do very much to incur the displeasure of the 'establishment', and at least one man who was probably involved in his assassination became a president two decades later--

For those who believe that there are no shadow governments (Dr. Paul said that he does believe in shadow governments), the last two options are laughable. I am not laughing.

I believe mostly in #3, but I also believe that Dr. Paul senior doesn't want to kill the liberty movement, but he hopes that as many of *us* can stay alive as possible.

I think the world and those who want freedom are experiencing the worst possible opposition that anyone can imagine.

If a family had a choice, if a man were given an ultimatum, if Ron Paul were told that he either backs down or there will be militant oppression of everyone who has contributed to his campaign in any way (I don't know about everyone on here, but I know that 1988vote is implicated there)--and that he himself is in danger--

would he continue going, if he thought people might be in danger. He's a doctor; he saves lives; he doesn't throw them away.

So, yes, I believe in #3 and #4--

I believe Carol Paul has heard the ultimatum. This may make me a conspiracy kook, and I wish to heaven I were wrong--

but I am afraid I am not.

If Carol Paul responds to you, no doubt she will not tell you all that she knows, but she will probably be very kind to you, even while her own heart is breaking.

Having said that, though I think that the letter should have been something you wrote just to express your own feelings, and shared on here--and not sent to Carol Paul . . .

I think that it's wonderful that you are honest enough to be so open. Some of us have learned to be so much, much more cautious. And that is rather sad.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I don't think Carol will respond to me. You know why?

I have asked her things in the past & she's been cagey. She either doesn't respond, or responds cryptically. I asked her where Ron was a week or so ago, & she said he was busy in his garden, tending his tomatoes & had a wonderful tan!

Now, comon' the guy is running for POTUS, it's more critical now, than it ever was, that he get to those conventions, but he's growing tomatoes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then, her response about not being at more state conventions - "He didn't get an invitation!" WHAT??? He needs an invitation? His campaign wasn't contacting ALL the state conventions he could attend & pitching for a speaking slot? Comon!!!!! Do you think that near riot in LA would have happened if Ron had been there? How long does it take to fly from TX to LA?

I have NEVER believed that Carol is tied to her kitchen. I don't think she's kept in the dark. I have tried to put it out there to the press & thru youtubes what a wonderful woman she is & I've given her every opportunity to express herself by asking questions that would give her a chance to give anwers that would only make her look great to anyone watching or reading.

If I was in Carol's shoes, I'd be writing back to me & saying how disappointed in Rand she is, and that she's going to do everything she can to uplift the National Delegates & encourage them. Would that be so hard or unnatural for her to do?

You are nuts! She is not

You are nuts! She is not "cagey" for not telling what Ron is doing and exactly what location he is doing it in. She should not reply to you, whether you are meaning to or not, you are coming across like a jilted, psycho stalker. Give it a rest and leave Mrs. Paul alone.

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yes . . .

I wouldn't use the word 'cagey'--

How does she know what your intent is? She can't.

She is a Christian; she knows her bible; she knows that she needs to be 'wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove'--

Did you read 1988vote's post above? I do believe in #3 and partly in #4--

I believe that if Dr. Paul or his wife told the DP and those in America who support him that his life or the lives of his family were in danger, as many as are angry with Rand right now would not believe it.

How does he know who to trust after 30 plus years in Washington, D.C.

He doesn't, so--

what has happened in the past few weeks, since the breakfast with Bernanke--has happened.

And, no, he hasn't 'sold out'. His son is buying the liberty movement time.

I believe in miracles. I believe they can happen. I believe Dr. Paul wants *us* never to give up. Rand isn't Ron, but he's not a traitor.

And Carol knows that. But if you don't believe it, why should she tell you what she knows or believes, as the mother of a senator and the wife of a presidential candidate?

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I think you are upset and you thought...

you were doing the right thing. But I agree with other posters here that she doesn't need such a harsh Email directed her way. I have read many great posts from you in the past; but I think you are off base here. If I were you, I would send Carol another Email and apologize to her, because bashing her flesh and blood was out of line. You could have made many of the same points in a more civil manner.

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I dont like this at all

ausscyn has been with us in the trenches as long as I can remember. Her contributions are too many to count. She deserves respect regardless if you disagree with her or not. Personal attacks aren't the way to voice your opinion of the matter. ausscyn deserves better than that. If you were here from the beginning youd be her friend today. And you wouldn't think of saying such caustic thing to her or about her if you were in disagreement with her. Ive seen her posts for 4 1/2 years and I can assure you that she deserves your respect. If you need to take issue with anything she's written, please do it civilly.

I have been here longer than

I have been here longer than 4 1/2 years and I would never think of using that as an excuse to justify stupidity.

There is nothing respectful about trying to engage Carol in a conversation to condemn her son. As I have said, Cynthia can say whatever to whomever she likes, however you cannot expect folks to clap and cheer while she paints herself as a hero for publicly placing the weight of her disappointment on the shoulders of Mrs. Paul...Especially when she insists that she speaks for us all. This is pure lunacy at its best. She has the right to be disrespectful and rude to Carol, but others have the right to point out that she does not speak for everyone.

She has referred to herself as "courageous" for addressing Carol Paul in this way....My contention is that there is nothing courageous about this level of stupidity..And 4 1/2 years of membership on this site does not excuse it.

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im not arguing cynthias case

im simply asking people to show some restraint when arguing with her. Some of the comments don't need to be so ugly. That's all Im saying.

Why Would You Think

Carol wants to listen to you complain about here son?
What the hell are you thinking?

Because I am sure

she didn't want to have a pos of a son.

You do NOT speak for me.

Where did you get the idea that it was your place to speak so unkindly to Carol Paul on behalf of a group as large and diverse as this one? I certainly don't remember choosing you to represent me.

If I were Carol Paul, not only would I NOT respond to you, I would terminate any further correspondence. This letter was a self-righteous monument to your own self-indulgent ego and your personal anger, which clearly you cannot manage in a way that is appropriate.

We have no understanding of what prompted Rand's decision, but I'm certain he would have deliberated with Ron, long and hard, before making it. We don't see the big picture, so how can we pass judgement?

Frankly, I am ashamed of the hateful, knee-jerk reaction on this site over the past day. I thought we were above being an "angry mob."

Evidently not.

I can post this stuff because I've walked the walk.

Sorry, but it's not like I'm writing to Bill Gates' wife, Melinda. Carol has been a part of this campaign & I actually think the letter I wrote to her was an honest one. I asked her questions that most of us would ask if we had the courage.

All I've ever gotten from her is how much Ron cares for us. The statements and activity from the campaign in the last 3 weeks don't support that. The only bright spot was the speech in TX. WHY, would Rand do this after such a fabulous day in Texas? He IS their son! You can't tell me that he just marches to his own drummer & disavows his parents' wishes, especially when they are for the good of our country & he just went over to the Dark Side.

So, beat me up, bring it on. I've had it with being a Pollyanna Spin Doctor for this campaign's mistakes.

No No NO!

There is no excuse for contacing the MOTHER of a man you are pissed at...no matter what. I did not do this to my ex Mother-In Law, to whom I was and is close (and Boy o Boy I wanted to!) so you do not get a pass for putting Carol in this position. That is out of line, no matter much work you have done.

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Once again....

Liberty means you can write whatever and to whomever you like. However, to try and bait Carol into a public exchange ---wherein you are soliciting her condemnation of her son is classless.

If you support Liberty, then you MUST support Liberty for the Paul family as well. They are not beholden to you.

Addressing Carol in that way makes you "courageous" only in your own mind. To the rest of us it looks like the words of a classless, rude, whiny, political neophyte. However, many have died for your right to be a whiny, classless, and rude political neophyte. Just do not to pretend to speak for us all. YOU DON'T!

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Thats exactly what

Ron Paul and Carol Paul need to do: CONDEMN their POS son!

Amen.

Truly without one ounce of class.

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Why would you write that to Carol Paul?

Even if you have valid points, she has been so sweet and does not deserve to recieve emails like yours. Write it to Ron or Rand,Jesse or Jack, they are big boys... but dont be rude to Mrs. Paul! Thats a jerky move.

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I think its pretty crappy

I think its pretty crappy that you would choose to castigate Carol Paul for something her grown son has done. If you had something to say about Rand, you should have said it to him. It was his actions that upset you, not hers. She is not responsible for him and shouldn't be subjected to the fallout for his decision. I think your letter was very disrespectful.

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So we fight for Liberty, but

So we fight for Liberty, but don't support Liberty of the Paul family to make their own decisions without a mass stamp of approval. Reading the comments on the various threads about Rand, we are acting the same way the establishment does when things don't go their way, only many here are acting even worse. What a bunch of political neophytes and whiners we are.

Does anybody think for a moment that Ron and Carol and Rand didn't discuss this?

Carol is not responsible for Rand. I support your right to say whatever you like, and to write whomever you want...However, to place this non-sense on Carol is classless. It may be your opinion that the base is in shambles, but this has no basis in fact.

Likewise, if you really do exchange emails with Carol that is one thing, but to try and drag her into a public exchange, wherein you are soliciting some sort of condemnation of her son....Again that is your right, but very classless indeed. You make us all look bad.

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I am sorry to hear of your decision.

I have always thought of you as being one of the stalwarts of the Ron Paul Revolution. If you throw in the towel now, although I do understand how you must feel, then that would really be the end since you are a National Delegate.

It is certainly not necessary to say you agree with the way everything has been handled in order for you to go to Tampa and for you and every other National Delegate to have their say on behalf of all the unsung heroes who elected you to go there. You owe it to them to do this. Otherwise you would become just like the people that at the moment you despise for apparently giving in.

My own view is that many things could happen in the world between now and Tampa. The situation is even more desperate than anyone can imagine. By the end of August the conditions may be such that many more people, even those National Delegates who at the moment support someone else, will realise that the radically sensible solutions proposed by Dr. Paul are the only way to pull America and the world back from the brink.

Anything can happen. Do not give in. Even if things seem hopeless you and only you are the one that might make a difference. If you give up now you may be the last straw that breaks the camel's back. Go to Tampa. Try to give strength and support to your fellow delegates. It is always darkest before the dawn.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

I wrote to Carol because,

we exchange e-mail all the time, and we talk about the campaign, not baking cookies.

I have posted comments from her that she wanted the people on here to read, reassuring us that ALL WAS WELL in the campaign. That Ron was IN IT TO WIN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, the campaign's toast, & Ron was definitely not in it to win it.

A good analogy, if any of you are old enough to remember, would be when Bobby Kennedy was running for POTUS in '68, and if his brother Ted, had endorsed Humphrey MONTHS before the convention! That would have NEVER happened. Bobby got murdered before the convention, right around this time actually, but a family STAYS TOGETHER!!!!!!

My analogy is my own.

Sorry, but it's not like I'm writing to Bill Gates' wife, Melinda. Carol has been a part of this campaign & I actually think the letter I wrote to her was an honest one. I asked her questions that most of us would ask if we had the courage.

All I've ever gotten from her is how much Ron cares for us. The statements and activity from the campaign in the last 3 weeks don't support that. The only bright spot was the speech in TX. WHY, would Rand do this after such a fabulous day in Texas? He IS their son! You can't tell me that he just marches to his own drummer & disavows his parents' wishes, especially when they are for the good of our country & he just went over to the Dark Side.

So, beat me up, bring it on. I've had it with being a Pollyanna Spin Doctor for this campaign's mistakes.

Is your analogy your own or

did it come from your source? If from Mrs. Paul and you haven't been given permission to reveal that, don't reply to this comment.

Thank you.

You know, I'm just not

You know, I'm just not gettin' it. Why in hell would you write Ron Paul's wife? If someone wrote my wife inquiring into my business affairs, my decisions, or whatever, I'd treat them with utter contempt. I know you're frustrated and I know you're a woman, but some things just aren't done. I think this is one of those things.

Yes I have to agree on this

Yes I have to agree on this one. I think Rand's endorsement was awful but his poor mother doesn't need the stress. After all what the hell can she do but worry?

That's a very intense letter to send to a Mom

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