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Gary Johnson or Mitt Romney?

Ron, I understand why you and Rand are doing this: to reform the GOP and give your son a place of power within it, but I fear the GOP is beyond hope as long as Southern Evangelicals dominate it.

For me the better message to send America is a rejection of the Duopoly. Let's get Gary Johnson to 15% in national polls in order to qualify him for the presidential debates. Down with Obamney! Go Gary Johnson!



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Anything Johnson said about

Anything Johnson said about the newsletters was minor compared to the full-court smear orchestrated by Rand's good friend, Hannity, back in December and January.

Interesting take Bolt612

"I fear the GOP is beyond hope as long as Southern Evangelicals dominate it."

Why don't you do all of us "Southern Evangelicals" a favor and get out of the Republican Party and go bury yourself in the insignificant, dying Libertarian Party.

Clarify please.

"go bury yourself in the insignificant, dying Libertarian Party."

So the libertarian ideals Ron Paul espouses are ok but the Libertarian Party isn't? Why?

“Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.” ― Mark Twain

"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world."

Clarification:

"So the libertarian ideals Ron Paul espouses are ok but the Libertarian Party isn't? Why?"

Exactly! If the Libertarian Party was "ok", Ron Paul would have run for Congress under the Libertarian banner. Why didn't he? Because he would have been laughed out of Galveston. The Libertarian Party, just like the Constitutionalist Party and the Green Party is an insignificant protest party. Very few people ever get elected to Congress in any of those parties and NOBODY EVER gets elected to the Senate or White House from any of those parties. That's why the Libertarian Party isn't okay. If we're going to have any significant voice in our nation's government, we're going to have to have it within the two party system. If not, we get marginalized into oblivion. Ron Paul understands this and that's why he hasn't run on a Libertarian ticket in 24 years.

You're already marginalized

You're already marginalized into oblivion by both the GOP and the MSM's and your mantra of electability mirror's the very mantra being used against Dr. Paul every day in every news piece "He Can't Win"/"They Can't Win". If The Libertarian Party is an insignificant protest party as you claim then it is only because otherwise good people would rather vote for what they're told is a winner or the lesser of two evils than vote their conscience.

Surely you must realize by now the Two Party System is a False Paradigm, there is no left or right. It is a lie and distraction built to divide one American citizen from another. There is only the powerful and they will do anything to stay that way.

George Washington said it best in his almost prophetic farewell address to The Nation when he warned against the party system. "It serves to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration....agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one....against another....it opens the door to foreign influence and corruption...thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another."

“Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.” ― Mark Twain

"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world."

I'm not going to waste my time

trying to get Republicans to register Libertarian and vote for libertarians. It's hard enough trying to wake up Republicans to what true, old-line Conservatism really is. If you want to try to grow the Libertarian Party, have fun. But, there is no future in the Libertarian Party or any other party for that matter. Ron Paul tried to work outside the duopoly in 1988 and failed. Ever since then, he has made it clear that since it's impossible to do so, he does what he has to and works within the two-party system.

I understand.

No, of course not, your far too busy wasting your time trying to get evangelical neocon republicans to change their spots and think like Libertarians to bother being a Libertarian yourself. I understand.

Look there may be no future in The Libertarian Party as you claim but there certainly is no future for any paul supporters in the GOP now. A blowback is surely coming your way. Ron Paul is retiring after Tampa and he's leaving no infrastructure in place that can weather the coming storm without him or that any of you can organize around, his son has clearly fallen far from the tree and has burned his bridges with your fellow paulites and to top it all off the Paul delegates have irritated the Republican Party Heads enough to assure they're gonna target and purge all of you from any State and or National party positions long before 2016 (even now they're compiling lists and information).

Have fun with your one true party, I'm sure Mittens and his ilk will treat you well.

“Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.” ― Mark Twain

"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world."

Okay, I take it you're not a Ron Paul supporter

then.

"...his son has clearly fallen far from the tree and has burned his bridges with your fellow paulites..."

I think it's funny that a person from the Libertarian Party would come onto a forum supporting a Republican presidential candidate and try to convince that Republican's supporters to become libertarians. From reading your post it's obvious you don't think there ever was a future for us Paulites in the Republican Party whether Rand endorsed Mitt Romney or not. If you would change your screen name to LPTroll or something like that so I could at least know where you're coming from it would be a little bit easier to explain myself.

Of course I support Ron Paul

Of course I support Ron Paul, he's a rare (in political circles) decent honest man who's had a long distinguished career in public office championing Libertarian ideals. Whats not to support about that? I would have loved to have seen him be President.

However his son is clearly his own man and not his father as evidenced by his recent actions with regards to the Romney endorsement and I'm not inclined to turn a blind eye to those actions nor sugar coat them for the likes of you.

Ron Paul is a Libertarian using the Republican Party to seek and gain political office, why would it be funny for other Libertarians to seek out and persuade R.I.N.O's or quasi Republicans if you prefer (like your self) attracted to Ron Paul's Libertarian message to change parties? That's how recruitment works.

No, I think Paul supporters stood a far better chance of weathering the coming storm if Rand had held closer to his Father's legacy and not endorsed Romney. But that didn't happen and as it stands now your a house divided. Those who believe in Ron Paul's Libertarian message will leave the GOP disillusioned or be driven out and those of you who believed only in the man will stay and quickly find another to replace him with.

You can't explain your self because you don't know yourself and that's not the fault of anybodies screen name.

“Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.” ― Mark Twain

"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world."

Dixie, are you going to write

Dixie, are you going to write anything sensible EVER? Mindless.

Bob Barr and Gary Johnson

would be two glaring reasons.

If we're to judge a political

If we're to judge a political party based it's candidates then I'm even more perplexed with your loyalty to The Republican Party over the Libertarian Party. There are far more skeletons and monsters in the GOP's closet than in the Libertarian's. And both Parties share Bob Barr, Gary Johnson and Ron Paul as candidates (past and present)for better or worse. Ron Paul followers share far more fundimental princiles with Libertarians than they do with the GOP. Ron Paul followers have also recieved far more respect and support from the LP than they have from the GOP. The Libertarian Party holds out a hand and welcomes you, The Republican Party shoves you away and disenfranchise you.

“Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.” ― Mark Twain

"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world."

The Republican Party

doesn't purport itself to have a libertarian message. We're trying to change that by taking the Party from the neocons and running a libertarian-leaning candidate, RP.
The Libertarian Party does try to purport itself as having a libertarian message, and runs neocons like Barr and Johnson for candidates. Maybe the LP should take their Party back from the neocons.
LOL!

Ron Paul

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John F

I am with you.

Always make the best choice and never compromise. If everyone did the same we would not have compromised our country into the situation we find it in at present.

Ron Paul just compromised,

Ron Paul just compromised, why can't you?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

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Equally Neither

.

“The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.”

– Thomas Jefferson

Rand could not support Gary, we can

Rand did what he had to do. We, however, are not in his position. We can vote for Gary or not at all.

The Constitution Party candidate is out of the question.

-pb

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Why

is Constitution Party out of question? Pro-Life? Why be anti-war if you're not pro life?

“The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.”

– Thomas Jefferson

If it comes to that

If or when it comes to that then Gary Johnson all the way for me.

“Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.” ― Mark Twain

"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world."

If I were to choose between

Gay Johnson and Mitt Romney, I'd vote for Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney will appoint pro-life judges to the Supreme Court, whereas Gary Johnson is a judicial statist. He not only supports the Fourteenth Amendment and its unconstitutional ratification, he applies an extremely broad interpretation to it. I would actually be more fearful of what kind of judges Johnson would appoint moreso than Obama.

How do you know?

How do you know that Romney would appoint pro life judges? He used to be "effectively," pro choice. Romney is another George H.W. Bush, who did he appoint?

Well, I know Johnson

wouldn't.

Amazingly, I've come full circle.

Libertarian Party from whence I came. Gary! Gary! Gary!

Vote for CP Candidate

If you are pro-life vote for the Constitution Party presidential candidate - don't vote for Gary Johnson.

Baloneysandwich

CP does not support freedom

CP does not support freedom of religion. I could never vote for any CP candidate due to this fact.

There isn't a single party in this country

that doesn't support freedom of religion. Except maybe CPUSA. If the CP didn't support freedom of religion, why did Ron endorse the CP candidate four years ago?

They don't even understand

They don't even understand the Constitution, for one thing.

They are the Religious Wacko Party, nothing more. Everything else is rationalized.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Why would Ron Paul endorse the CP nominee then?

Your comment doesn't answer my question. If they don't understand the Constitution, then why the heck did Ron Paul endorse their nominee in '08? Or are you another Libertarian Party troll that just joined up to try to catch some sheep for Gay Johnson and don't think Ron Paul understands the Constitution either?

Extremely disappointed in

Rand albeit maybe he is throwing a curve ball. However, I will be voting for Gary Johnson; hell, I donated $100 today to Gary. We need to get him in the debates to influence the general population eventhough the voting machines will be "Diabolded".