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White Phosphorous: The New Napalm?

Napalm is the most notorious incendiary substance, but it is only one of more than 180. The harm caused by white phosphorus munitions, used in more recent conflicts, exemplifies these weapons’ humanitarian problems.

The Associated Press reported that an 8-year-old Afghan girl, Razia, was injured when a white phosphorus shell ripped through her home in the Tagab Valley of Kapisa province in June 2009. When she reached the operating room, white powder covered her skin, the oxygen mask on her face started to melt, and flames appeared when doctors attempted to scrape away the dead tissue.

White phosphorus munitions cause particularly severe injuries, including chemical burns down to the bone. Wounds contaminated by white phosphorus can reignite days later when bandages are removed, produce poisoning that leads to organ failure and death, and lead to lifetime health problems.

http://www.salon.com/2012/06/08/white_phosphorous_the_new_na...

Ed.: Is this helping or hurting the war effort in Afghanistan?




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Here we go again, blaming

Here we go again, blaming something just because it's white!

I don't know how

the people(?) who invent these wicked, wicked weapons that are used on innocent people, sleep at night. They disgust me!

The ones who used it and

The ones who used it and justify it deserve the gallows

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

Elevated phosphate levels in rocks

This happened in my home town. It boarders Camp Pendelton right at this beach where the lady picked up the "rocks".

http://sanclemente.patch.com/articles/marines-enter-investig...

Unbelievable

A woman finds a rock that spontaneously bursts into flame inside her pocket - causing her to be burned, and also her husband who tried to help her, and because the county found the beach to free of any other such rocks... that's all?

“We don’t have any plans to investigate further based on everything that the Orange County people found," said Gig Conaughton, spokesman for the San Diego County Department of Environmental Health.

Oh, well, just another one of life's mysteries, like where the matching pairs of socks disappear to! At least it's nice to know that the couple is doing well AFTER THEIR SKIN GRAFTS.
http://www.ocregister.com/news/rocks-358007-hiner-phosphorou...

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Weapons like this

demonstrate how evil the state is. When anti-gun people wring their hands about gun crimes and cry for banning of firearms, I always ask them if they are equally concerned about the weapon stockpile our government has in nukes, bio-weapons, bombers, drones, missiles, artillery, tanks, machine guns, grenades, cluster bombs, flame throwers, tasers,--Well, you get the idea.

Seems as long as these WMD's (Let's not kid ourselves--All government weapons are designed for mass killing)are employed against other people----Or brown people, as in the classic anti-imperialism war riff by the late George Carlin----It's somehow ok for governments to kill and maim people, especially "suspected terrorists", and to shrug off innocent civilian casualties as "collateral damage".

It's interesting to note that after the fall of Nazi Germany how the US and the Allied nations looted Germany of its top scientists so as to ape all the Nazi wonder-weapons for the next war!

Tell me, does a free society of individuals waste their money and effort making such weapons? No. Because they have better things to make for fun and profit, and have no status quota to maintain.

Conscience does not exist if not exercised

"No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up!
---Lily Tomlin

National defense

National /defense/ has a perfectly valid place in government. Our government is charged with keeping us safe from foreign powers. Do we need such destructive WMD's? No, not really. But what we do need is to stop using them when unnecessary. We should be focusing more of our DoD funds towards defending America instead of regime change on the opposite side of the world. We need to have our troops back in the USA, spending their paychecks here while growing businesses in the communities they work in. And most of all, we need to have the means to defend ourselves against hostiles--be they our own or others.

Willey Peet ain't something new.

And a 155 HE round crashing through her roof and blowing up her and her neighbors houses would have been better somehow? Weapons are the tools wars are fought with and all wars are terrible brutal ugly things, none of them are bloodless or without innocent victims. The best way to prevent these things from happening is to choose your wars more wisely or better yet not go to war at all.

“Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.” ― Mark Twain

"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world."

White phosphorus is especially insidious

The fires it creates are nearly impossible to put out.. it helped the US reduce Fallujah to rubble. Fucking war criminals. You could argue all weapons are evil, sure, but things like landmines and WP have extended potential far after their dispersal to maim innocent people.

not to mention

depleted uranium.
FWIW -

WP (compliments of the US taxpayer) was used extensively
by the Israelis in Gaza as well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKgph9PV3SA

You are being distracted...

You seem to be confusing the white phosphorus with the people that used it in the wrong way. Hating white phosphorus is like hating bleach or lye soap for crying out loud.

Do you hate cars? You can kill people with them though.

It's the people that are murderous not the phosphorus.
As I am not defending the use of it in Iraq or anywhere els...

Here we go again with banning everything and controlling everyone...
Sick perversion of Liberty. If there is a murderer have a fair trial convict him by a jury of his peers and then do what the says to do to murderers.

I have no problem with pointing out what the murderer used for his dirty deed. But place the blame on the murderer not the fork, spoon, cars, phosphorus, bleach, knife baseball bat, or rock... becuase people use these things for good reasons to. It's called freedom for a reason.

It reminds me of the "Fork Control" Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BioyeCCAfY

Personal Liberty is what Gov is suppose to be protecting not taking it away.
(Read "The Law" by Frederick Bastiat here: http://lastingliberty.org/?page_id=9 to learn more about how not to pervert the law to take away Liberty of others.)

You need to focus on the murderer so he does not get away with it...

dis·tract·ed
Adjective:

Unable to concentrate because one's mind is preoccupied.

Seek_Truth

I'm no chemist or engineer so

I'm no chemist or engineer so I won't claim that WP has no use outside of war, but of course I'm talking about its use by our military as a weapon--that's the context of the topic.

becuase people use these things for good reasons to.
What purpose does white phosphorous have in war other than: A. a weapon, or B. an illumination tool that has the handy dandy side effect of wantonly wrecking the territory it is meant to illuminate? If I were to decry the use of agent orange, would you say I'm "distracted" because the chemical "also has use as an exfoliant"? Am I distracted in also decrying the use of chemical weapons because the issue should be the murderous general who would OK their use it moreso than the indiscriminate destruction the weapons themselves cause? Because, you know, mustard and sarin gas have so many uses outside of war.

Hell, why should I hate on nuclear weaponry? It's not their use that's evil, it's purely the fault of whoever would resort to deploying them, right. I could go on and on.

It's called freedom for a reason.
What freedom? The freedom of armies to cause suffering? What freedom should I have to ruin your home by scattering chemicals that exist contrary to the safety/welfare of anyone who lives there? That's a very perverted definition of "freedom".

Still lolling at the car comparison. Holy shit. I'm all for 2nd amendment rights, but this is one case where the "should we outlaw cars too cuz they kill people?!?!" comparison just doesn't hold water.

PLUS... there is a reason why

PLUS... there is a reason why White Phosphorous Ammunition have been considered to be illegal under the laws of war.

same reason you are not supposed use chemical/biological weapons
same reason why you are not supposed to use cluster bombs
same reason with white phosphorous...

because the weapons are so vast on explosion that inevitably civilians will be suffer great consequences. You see, civilians are not "ok to murder" because they are a different race than us, they are still civilians and do not "deserve to die".

War is hell, but using chemical weapons in warfare makes you the Devil. You must have honor and deceny even when faced with hellish opposition. If not, then you are no longer a soldier of honor... you are just a coward lost in a battle, fighting to survive.

no worries, Rand will fix it...

I'm sure Rand will endorse this soon as well!
may white phosphorous rain on you & yours, you sickening sellout...

well he sure did endorce that

well he sure did endorce that scumbag romney now didn't he.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

War is hell. :/

While I disagree with the war itself, the simple fact is, that war IS hell on earth.

We should not specifically TARGET civilians, but if there are civilians hurt or killed inadvertently, by whatever weapons we are using, then that is the fault of whoever placed them near a military target.

Unfortunately, that means guerrilla-style warfare will cause increased civilian casualties.

Yes, we should NOT be there, and it's awful that these civilians are being killed as a result, but let's not blame the weapons.

The weapons are just tools.

The simple fact is:

War is a racket. It always has been. But I'm sure you know more about war than Marine Major General Smedley Darlington Butler...

Your comment

makes my skin crawl. Disgustingly ignorant.

A weapon is a choice

Its shows either a high regard or a low regard for innocent life.

I talked to an Iraqi vet about the phosphorus used, and he had some chilling stories about some friendly fire from a guard unit, using phosphorus artillery shells.

So the point is, the choice of weapons, and the lack of care with which it is used, shows a lack of concern about innocent civilians. Difficult to explain how we are saving them from Saddam, while we are using Phosphorus on them. And it is difficult to argue that this is an all out war rather than a police action.

How would you feel if police used phosphorus weapons on protestors, or rioters, and justified it by saying that when you are in a fight it should be no holds barred ?

the IDF uses chemical weapons

the IDF uses chemical weapons against international-solidarity, Isrealis, and Palestinian Protestors in the West Bank and Gaza.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J3CbH_F7sY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MKgph...!

Every single week... they use chemical weapons on peaceful protesters, supported by our government.

Don't be surprised one bit when it happens hear, and when it does the complainers should be ignored. If it wasn't worth complaining about when others suffer, people shouldn't open their mouth to proclaim their own suffering.

FUKK DAT

"Then that is the fault of whoever placed them near a military target."

What The F*** Is That Supposed to Mean?

So if you are in your home, living in your home, the home you and your family have lived in for over a 1000 years... and some invading force starts shelling your home (your home that you never created as a battle field, but where others are fighting near) its YOUR FAULT???

Fukk Dat Logic

I guess this girl caused her own injuries because she was at home. That's the talk of the devil right there. I hope no criminal ever walks past your neighborhood, because then it'll be OK to Drone Strike the entire block and blame it on yourself for being there.

Per the white house

she may have been a enemy combatant if she had been a he.
Obomber "darn I hate it when we get caught"

we got to get him out.

And Romney isn't the answer:

If Ron doesn't win the Primary HE HAS TO RUN INDEPENDENT!

OV

Just want what seems to be missing, Truth and Justice for ALL
What is fraud except creating “value” from nothing and passing it off as something?

I'm pretty sure "willy pete" goes back at least to WW2

as I remember reading a story of an airman who picked up a prematurely ignited WP flare and threw it out of his bomber to save the rest of the crew.

http://www.homeofheroes.com/wings/erwin.html

The Tragedy of War

I could say much, but I'll just say: "Carefully consider the case for war and don't blindly accept inflammatory rhetoric without substantial and verifiable proof". The consequences are horrific.