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Jack Hunter: "Why Rand Was Right to Endorse Romney"



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OK fine...I'll go back to the Libertarian Party

All this speculation about why Rand Paul did what he did is BS.

The man needs to grow a pair and say why he did what he did. Actually, he did and none of it sounded anything like all those excusing him are saying.

If I have to guess a politician's true motivations and strategies, then how do I know I'm not being played a fool? This is the status quo I hate, say one thing, do another and feed me BS that it is to further our cause.

Have some principles already, say what you mean, mean what you say.

If it was to position himself to be elected in 2016, then man up and say it publicly.

censor yourself or DP moderators will kick you

endorsing the GOP is selling out because guess what. the GOP stands for all the crap you just explained about goldman sachs etc.. You have learned nothing from the movement.

The play along to get along gang got us into this mess.

This is what I was thinking

really. No, Rand is not his father and leans more Republican than Libertarian. However, he leans more that way on foreign policy, I think, than anything and I don't think he leans toward corrupt politicians. But, he also sees the BIG picture and knows that to be successful you have to be wise as a serpent and innocent as a dove. I don't think I agree with the way he went about this. I would have hoped that he just kind of fell into endorsing him like if someone asked him the question. However, this may be a way to give the impression he really is a "party-first" kind of guy.

I know you are going to give me some down arrows and I am not agreeing that what he did was right. BUT I can see Jack's point. If Ron does not get elected, we are in it very deep and the only way to get anyone elected who can clean up the mess in 2016 is to have someone who appears to be one of them. I think that is the strategy and I hope that it is not anything more sinister and that really screams of disloyalty and dishonoring his father. The dishonoring and disloyalty to his dad are what really upset me.

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The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

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Wow, a very big response received from letter sent to Sen. Paul

This is hopefully a positive awake-up call to Rand Paul for him to wake-up and get back on the side of Liberty.

rand.paul@randpacusa.com
The recipient's mailbox is full and can't accept messages now. Please try resending this message later, or contact the recipient directly.

... and rand endorsed obamney!

"...has a different way of doing things than his father."
Precisely. Politicians do not show their character by how much they bitch and moan about certain positions. Their character is manifested through their actions. Voting records are also accounted for when endorsing someone else.

Endorsing Romney is endorsing Romney's voting record too. You cannot separate a man from his actions. Rand's endorsement of Romney is an endorsing of All of Romney not just an aspect of Romney.

Endorsing Romney overrides Rand's own voting record. If Ron Paul, with his immaculate voting record, were to endorse Romney he would also be destroying his legacy.

THIS IS NOT A SIMPLE POLITICAL COMPROMISE. THERE ARE REAL HUMAN LIVES AT STAKE HERE. This is Treason to the Constitution and the MOVEMENT.

"Nazi war criminals had more rights than all Americans do right now."

- me on the morning of January 2, 2012

"We’ve moved beyond the Mises textbook. We’re running in the open market." - Erik Voorhees

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Let's see:Getting in bed w/satan to further the cause of God.

Reduced down to the clearest symbolic terms, this is what Jack Hunter is asking us to accept. By putting forward such an argument, I can see why this is such a hard sell.

Is this according to the new "Rand Paul Political Guide To Moving Liberty Forward Handbook?"

My life has nothing to do with Rand's choices.

They're moot to me and my community's very serious interests presently. Any endorsement of Obama/Romney is my Maginot Line. Regretfully, I cannot condone, support or be accessory to it.

Blue Republican/Ind., signing off with fond regards to you and yours. We may see each other again, we may not. May the road rise to meet you so we may meet on it again in a new endeavor (liberty) against an old construct (sea of human oppression on Earth). Goodbye:
http://libertyresource.weebly.com/3/post/2012/6/revolution-i...

Until we meet again to fight

Until we meet again to fight for Liberty!

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

Once again...

Jack Hunter uses calm and rational approach to give a great breakdown of why Rand endorsed Romney. At least some us aren't on the collectivist bandwagon of bashing Rand. Good for Mr. Hunter.

I'm also reminded of the last epic battle at the doorsteps of Mordor in the Return of The King. Gandalf fighting along side his peeps to save the middle earth. Denethor Steward of Gondor (Romney) is ousted by Gandalf and the rightful king of Gondor (Rand Paul) is restored.

The Libertarian Party, irrelevant since 1971.

Interesting!

Well I guess you have to play politics...in other words beat them at their own game? Then change the system from the inside! Seems like a long term plan and I hope that it is a resounding success. It will be very interesting to see how things unfold in the next six months. I will keep my eyes and ears open and for sure I will never compromise on the principles that I have learned since 2007 from Dr. Paul and so many other liberty minded people! R.I.P. Bob Chapman and Tom Cryer! And many thanks to the DP! My daily source of hope :)

Fear knocked on my door and Faith answered!

God Bless you, Mr. Hunter

The Daily Paul needs your wisdom to balance out the insanity of the past week.

Thanks!

Let's be honest with ourselves about Rand

Rand is not a traitor. He's not going to stop voting the way he's voted for years and he won't sticking to the Constitution just because he endorsed Romney. We may not agree with it, but we shouldn't count him out. He is on our side, and deep down I think we know he is.

We may not agree with the move. I don't completely agree with it either. However, I do understand it, and when I look at the heart of Rand, it is not a heart of a traitor. He's actually sacrificing for the good of our move, at least that's how he sees it. He had to know it wouldn't go over well, but thought it was just that important in order to further our cause.

To those who say they will never support him, ask yourselves, "should we crucify people for trying to do the right thing, even if they get it wrong?" I don't believe so.

Rand, I forgive you, and I'm sorry I ever called you a traitor. I see now that your intention was not to betray us, but to further us. I'm not saying agree with the strategy, but I can't honestly say that you are betraying us. I don't believe that is really your intention.

Thanks Jack, for your video. Explaining just what was going on.

Its a movement its not about one man

"There is another"

And he said his first pick is his father "and still is." (on CNN

So what's everybody upset about?

The only reason he endorsed Romney is because his father is no longer a contender. His goal is obviously to change the Republican Party, not to do the third party thing.

RAND PAUL 2016.

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He sold his Dad and us out on Hannity..that can't be downplayed.

The wisest course of action

The wisest course of action is to see what Rand's next moves are, then perhaps we will have a clearer perspective of this Romney nod.

http://zeninthecar.com/2012/05/31/waking-into-nightmares-sta...

No no no, that would be way

No no no, that would be way too rational. Whaa, whaaaa, whaaaaaaaa! Downvote downvote downvote! Rand bad! Rand bad!

This is a game of chess and I'll give Ron the benefit of the doubt he has it under control. This could be the perfect time for castling and that's what I am hoping is going on, but I don't know for sure so I withhold judgment. Too bad many people here have never progressed past checkers so these game theory concepts are just way over their heads.

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

Good post and this is why I

Good post Kongvault, and this is why I don't post here much. The greatest thing about Ron Paul is his supporters. The worst thing about Ron Paul? His supporters.

This isn't a sprint, it's a marathon. Ron knows this well, just look at how long he has run this race. If he were as emotional as most posters here, he would have given up a long time ago. I know people feel the urgency because of Ron's age, but right now everything is on our side.

The establishment, for the first time, is actually scared of us. For the first time we have gained some real leverage and the momentum is all going our way. The PTB know we are reaching that 8%-10% range necessary for critical mass and they know all of the pressures will continue to drive people into the freedom movement fold. They now hear footsteps stalking them constantly.

As a long-time member of the freedom movement from the time I first read Rothbard more than 20 years ago, I'm ecstatic about our positioning now. I see things a lot differently. I think financial collapse is inevitable and we want to position ourselves as the ones to pick up the pieces, not the ones to preside over the collapse and then get blamed for it.

So, is this move by Rand coordinated with Ron and right for the movement? Who cares? The movement is so much bigger than that. So quit all all your bitching and whining here and get on with winning the war instead of throwing in the towel because of the perceived loss of a battle that no one can really be sure of anyway.

Now go ahead and vote this post down like people here always do because they can't step back and see the forest for the trees.

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

No one is throwing the towel but the campaign has

Stop borrowing the line "the worst thing about Ron Paul? His supporters". We will make our voice heard loud and clear to Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Jesse Benton, John Tate, etc, that they have failed us!!! They have sabotaged the campaign his supporters fought hard for. They rather side with the corrupt GOP establishment who injured our rights every step of the way than listening to their supporters who have given it all to them: money, time, resources, talent, heart and soul. Nothing indicates grassroots will stop their effort. You do not know those down voters. They maybe all hard core supporters who have worked the hardest in canvassing and involved the most in the delegate process.

LOL, at the downvoting big

LOL, at the downvoting big babies. The truth stings doesn't it? Keep blaming the messenger instead of the man in the mirror. If you people put this energy into getting on with the fight instead of your bi-polar reactionary whining, we would be even further ahead than we already are.

"No movement is so noble there aren't fools following." Thanks for proving this movement is no exception.

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

XXXX DUDE

We put our time money blood everything into this. XXXXXXXXXX. I have been in the fight, going to all the local meetups signings everything. XXXXXX!!! You are the problem. If you want to play along and get along, then go join the necons. this is about changing the country NOT joining the fascists.

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Warning to you to stop your attacks.

There is a right way and a wrong way to argue, and this is not the right way. You have been warned. Stop this please.

I guess you are

going to have to kick me off the DP then cause I will NOT CENSOR MYSELF.

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Not you, just your expletive verbiage will do.

You're smart, there is no doubt. Clean-up your choice of words is all that I ask.

Just keep in mind...

As of yet, no one here knows for sure if this was sanctioned by Ron Paul or not (though I would suspect that it was.) Either way, whether or not RON Paul was involved in RAND Pauls endorsement, I am 100% sure of one thing. Even if Ron was involved in the strategy, however wrong I may think it is, he did it with good intentions. Think what you will of Rand, but to suggest Ron Paul has intentionally "sold out" after 30 years of being Dr. No in the machine, makes no logical sense, and would require extreme proof. In my mind, as far as the Paul campaign goes, this effects NOTHING. I do have to admit, though, that as far as Rand goes, I personally do not trust him.

It's a good idea to study

It's a good idea to study history and see how political movements succeed and fail. A success does not happen in one swift round of browbeating the establishment into submission.

And then grow some fortitude. We need people who can think rationally and long term, not bounce perpetually between elation and tearful depression.

Jack Hunter offers a very rational analysis of the situation, suggesting briefly how the long term pros of Rand endorsing Romney at the moment outweighs the cons. I don't claim to know whether he's right. But it's a lot more rational than screaming emotional laden lines that implies your candidate has to be God himself. So far I have not read a negative response from anyone who has offered any sort of detailed rational analysis. I'm not a political expert, so I'm not the one to be able to offer it. I suppose I'm just expressing my distaste for the shallow thinking that has begun to pervade this forum.

Jack Hunter offers a very rational analysis of the situation?

Jack Hunter says in his video that is his opinion? - You can always make an opinion sound rational. Jack Hunter is very good with words :)

The thing is Rand Paul's endorsement really doesn't says much apart from the usual bla bla. - That is not rational at all given the history of Rand Paul's involvement in the movement.

Perhaps some of us got it all wrong from the beginning. I thought it was about freedom from corporate government tyrants.

Maybe we're lucky. Maybe Romney isn't done flip-flopping yet. Maybe maybe maybe. Time will tell. That's the only fact we can all agree on.

Rational doesn't meant

Rational doesn't meant correct. Heck, I even said I don't know if it's correct. Rational means it's based on reason, examining facts, making judgments, thinking about the future. Not just reacting emotionally, which is 99% of what is happening on this forum now. I have yet to read an argument on Jack Hunter's rational level about why this was a bad move. I'm sure there is such an argument.

"Regular Republicans automatically think those who try to explain blowback are somehow rationalizing terrorism. Paul supporters automatically think those who try to explain Rand’s endorsement are somehow trying to rationalize “selling out.” - Jack Hunter

Good post Kongvault, and this

Good post Kongvault, and this is why I don't post here much. The greatest thing about Ron Paul is his supporters. The worst thing about Ron Paul? His supporters.

This isn't a sprint, it's a marathon. Ron knows this well, just look at how long he has run this race. If he were as emotional as most posters here, he would have given up a long time ago. I know people feel the urgency because of Ron's age, but right now everything is on our side.

The establishment, for the first time, is actually scared of us. For the first time we have gained some real leverage and the momentum is all going our way. The PTB know we are reaching that 8%-10% range necessary for critical mass and they know all of the pressures will continue to drive people into the freedom movement fold. They now hear footsteps stalking them constantly.

As a long-time member of the freedom movement from the time I first read Rothbard more than 20 years ago, I'm ecstatic about our positioning now. I see things a lot differently. I think financial collapse is inevitable and we want to position ourselves as the ones to pick up the pieces, not the ones to preside over the collapse and then get blamed for it.

So, is this move by Rand coordinated with Ron and right for the movement? Who cares? The movement is so much bigger than that. So quit all all your bitching and whining here and get on with winning the war instead of throwing in the towel because of the perceived loss of a battle that no one can really be sure of anyway.

Now go ahead and vote this post down like people here always do because they can't step back and see the forest for the trees.

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

Totally agree. And your post

Totally agree. And your post got downvoted at least 4 times. I'm optimistic about the movement, but if what I'm seeing lately is the typical crowd of RP supporters, I'm disappointed by what it has become. I thought we were supposed to be the ones who could think ahead, or could think, period.