Ron Paul Save Your Movement And Run Independent!
Submitted by Robert Timsah on Sun, 06/10/2012 - 04:04in
Please Ron Paul, leave the Republican party and abandon this delegate strategy and begin your third party run now! Otherwise everything you built will have no home, nowhere to go and nobody to vote for. Don't you dare suggest, after everything you've said your entire life, that I should vote for Mitt Romney. Please God NO. You're no longer a candidate for the House so leave the GOP and run third party and let your sellout son vote for Romney.
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It's too late for a 3rd party
It's too late for a 3rd party run this year. It would be a waste of energy and resources.
Ron should continue to educate by issuing a running commentary, pointing out the flaws in the positions of both candidates. He can continue to lead and grow the movement in this way.
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
Have it Both Ways if we lose Tampa!
Take the fight to Tampa, even though it's been compromised by the campaign fools. You won't lose what you've already built into the GOP even if we don't win the nomination.
3RD party talk is just talk. It's probably too late to get onto the ballot in many states.
Who's going to contribute enough to support another run at it anyway?
Now , who you planning on voting for if we lose the nomination? How do you keep the stage rattling with our views all the way to the November election.
There is no other option other than Gary Johnson. He could have a chance to win if we all got into his camp after Tampa. His current 7% to 9% , plus our 15% to 20% and the disgruntled two party haters could make this a race they will never forget. Just think if we could win a president and 100s of minions eating away at the GOP at the same time.
He's not Ron , but best option I can see to get rid of Romney and Obama. Another 4 years of either one could be the death of the republic.
He wouldn't be able to raise money.
The only reason he's had so much financial support is due to the perception of viability of being in one of the two major parties. Everybody knows third party candidates don't win, so people won't contribute.
RAND PAUL 2016.
Too late to run 3rd party.
And I am not sure that would be the best strategy.
WAHOR!!
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When is it too late for RP to run independent...
...not any party -just independent? Is an announcement at the end of the convention too late? Does anyone know if rules regarding independent candidates differ from those of parties?
I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war. Ps 120:7
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Better to be divided by truth than united in error.
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The local church(not a building -a people) is the missing link. Help build it now!
My comment was not meant to be interpreted that way.
I am not talking about rules.
I am talking about reality.
Life.
Carry on.
WAHOR!!
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If Ron ran 3rd party and
If Ron ran 3rd party and Romney loses to Obama, who would the media blame?
Ron Paul...
Would Rand have ANY chance in 2016 if his father ran 3rd party? No. The Paul's would be blamed for another 4 years of Obama.
Never be afraid to ask simple questions.
Rand 2016
Why would we care if Obama wins instead of Romney. Romney and the GOP did nothing but cheat from day 1. Why would we care about the media? The have been so fair and balanced through this whole process. And who in their right mind is going to vote for Rand in 2016? Didn't he just show you what he is made of? I think RP would get beat up running, since his own son joined up with Romney. Besides, he has a pathetic campaign staff. However, if he did run, I'd support him 1,000 percent.
It's the same
It's the same difference...????
Come on, people!
Some you talk like Ron Paul invented Liberty and will take it with him if he goes. Remember the oft repeated Vitor Hugo: 'There's no stopping an idea whose time has come'? We've all been saying that for ages now; did anyone seriously think "idea" = "Ron Paul"? Okay, maybe some of us did. Maybe Ron Paul is still in it to win it. But whether he is or not, this is about transforming the nation, restoring Liberty, ending Federal overreach, sound money, a sane foreign policy. That's what Ron Paul stands for, has stood for, and will forever stand for.
What do we stand for? If this movement falls apart because Ron Paul doesn't have the support to win the nomination, whose fault is it? Do we really expect him to do it all, and all by himself? Do we really think that his mere presence on this earth will convert the doubtful, the delluded, the disbelieving? Do we think we can just kvetch and sit on our hands and expect everything to work out all right?
Go back and read the Federalist Papers; go read the Anti-Federalist Papers; reacquaint yourself with the diaries of the Constitutional Convention. Have a serious look at what Representative Dr Paul has written and said over the years. Take a peak at Judge Napolitano's fine works.
If you were ever serious about Liberty and true Constitutional Federalism then you will realize that nothing any one man, or two men, or group of men, or even a Congress, can do will dissuade you from the principles that can and will change this country.
If I may be permitted to quote a couple of Kennedys (yeah, I know, I know): Some ask why? I ask why not! and Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.
Regardless of what you think about them, those to Kennedy statements should inspire us to more resolve in the fight for Liberty, opposition to Tyranny, commitment to Freedom.
Silly talk
If Ron ran indie it would wreck the movement, which would fade into irrelevance after election day. This movement is historic and can really move us forward if we don't blow it. Yes, WE. The Pauls have done a great job.
Alex "controlled opposition"
Alex "controlled opposition" Jones would LOVE to see us throw away all of our hard work by running third party. Forget that. Take over the GOP. We've already got a great start commandeering the Grand Ole' Party.
Blessings )o(
I'm confused
What does Ron running independent have anything to do with our grassroots involvement in co-opting the Republican Party? Can't we take the party while he runs indie???
The simple fact is that the message of liberty so far has only been delivered to political die hards that have been involved in the primary process. There is a whole different (and rather large) cross section of people that haven't been awakened yet and I believe that type of exposure can only be achieved in a general election. Who gives a damn if he wins or not. We need to get the massage out.
Yep...let's do both.
Ron MUST do something major like this if he is to remain the titular head of the restoration movement in America.
Rand saw to that necessity...
"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."
If he runs independent than
If he runs independent than it will only serve the GOP establishment. Already our delegates are being accused of not being real Republicans and in many cases they are being shut out of conventions because its assumed that they will jump ship if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination. Running as independent will only affirm their suspicions and ruin any chance these people have of being taken seriously in the future. It will destroy the liberty movement for good. Its a bad idea. Besides, there are sore loser laws and many states that won't even let Ron Paul on the ballot if he loses the Republican nomination.
Blessings )o(
The GOP cheated him the whole
The GOP cheated him the whole way. Why would anyone in their right mind want to have anything to do with them?
absof'inlutely
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please excuse my french, this defeatist BS is getting old.
stop whining and get back to work 3%ers.
"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul
...Just a thought out
...Just a thought out loud...can't the third party be something like ... "The True Republican Party"
let the RINOs
start the 3rd party. we are taking the GOP.
"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul
They've already set up shadow parties
even in states we haven't taken over. Also they've hedged their bet with Johnson getting the Libertarian ticket for them.
rino
I'm a RINO! I switched from Independant just so I could vote in the primary. I'll be switching back shortly.
IF...
If Ron Paul had ran third party, I never would've been exposed to GOP corruption. I was a Democrat (I thought) until finding him, and I had never been actively involved like I have been this year.
If I hadn't seen the corruption firsthand throughout this campaign, I probably would've been an "Anybody but Obama" gal, sadly.
I might've actually voted for Mitt Romney had I not seen the dark side we've all seen this year.
The reason I ditched the Democratic party was because I started connecting the dots that Obama was just Bush's third term. He made it too easy by breaking his campaign promises, like bringing home our troops.
I expected to be welcomed into my new party, but that sure didn't happen either. That cemented the fact that they're one big establishment.
I can tell you that all the negative things my friends are hearing about Romney AND Obama comes from me. They're only hearing a few select bad things on television, but certainly not that both campaigns are being helped out by Goldman Sachs, a bailed out bank.
I really hate all the abuse we've taken, but one thing I know for sure, you can't truly know your enemy until you're actually exposed to them. I'm willing to bet every single person that has been injured would do it all over again for this cause, though.
People I know for sure are Ron Paul supporters are being asked to join committees, they're being groomed to take over chairman positions, etc. My husband and I both plan on getting even more involved after this election.
Now true I'd LOVE to see Dr. Paul in a debate with Obama and/or Romney, and I'd certainly vote for him if he did go Independent (I cannot write him in where I live). But we can't give up on revamping the GOP or our election monitoring.
The two most important days in your life are the day you are born...and the day you find out why. -Mark Twain
Stay involved with Ron Paul
Stay involved with Ron Paul Republicans
Thats what neocons want
They want Ron Paul to run 3rd party & Ron Paul Republicans to leave the GOP. The Neocons want the GOP all to themselves. Neocons want to be the only ones influencing the GOP & conservatives.
No, don't do it
The only sure loser in our corrupt system is a political run outside of the system.
Take over the Republican Party, then take over the Federal government. That will take time. In the meantime, encourage the grass roots to go to city council meetings, township meetings, county government meetings, and Republican Party meetings. Get involved locally so that we can advance liberty at the most intimate local level.
Then we will be ready when the next Ron Paul-type candidate emerges. Trust me, this movement is so big that there could be many.
again
Dr Paul has not quit. And he sure isn't suggesting anyone vote for Romney. Pay attention to his speech at the Texas convention, the day after the email which has been spun as quitting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BS7AFqukV0&feature=youtu.be
its to late
Ron's only 3rd party chance was with the libertarians, because of the ballot access.
He's left the large number of independents, and libertarians that support him with no place to go. At the same time, some of his supporters have, for some odd reason, gone after Gary Johnson, and has marginalized him as a potential benefactor of the Ron Paul movements votes.
If golden boy Rand craps out in the next few years, the movement is completely screwed by this strategy.
There were a lot of Tea Party people
in 2010 that wanted to leave the Republican Party and incorporate the Tea Party. If that had happened, most Republicans wouldn't have left the GOP and the Tea Party would have been marginalized into oblivion. Instead, Tea Party candidates ran under the Republican banner in 2010 and dozens of them got elected to Congress, a few got elected to Senate, and hundreds got elected to state legislatures. While it's true that most of these "Tea Party" politicians were just opportunists and haven't accomplished as much as their constituents would have liked for them to accomplish, the RINOs in the Republican Party weren't able to marginalize their movement because they stayed in the GOP and got non-Tea Party Republicans to vote for Tea Party candidates, just like we have managed to get non-Liberty Republicans to vote for Ron and Rand Paul who would have never voted for either of them if they had abandoned the Republican Party.
The tea party, so called, is very different
It was just astroturf, with much of the financial support coming from conventional republican sources. This movement is different, since many supporters are independents. There are alot of these independents that simply cannot compromise to the degree suggested, and find it repugnant to support the republican neocons, and social authoritarian evangelicals.
Ahem, Ron Paul is the one that started the Tea Party.
It exploded in February 2009 because of Obama's stimulus and his plan to refinance mortgages, so naturally, by April, most of the Tea Party protesters were not former Ron Paul supporters. But, that isn't necessarily a bad thing, you should be glad more people get involved in opposing bailouts, high taxes, overbearing regulations, and government subsidies and handouts.
"There are alot of these independents that simply cannot compromise to the degree suggested." What? They can't compromise to what degree suggested? Romney's mushy, moderate/centrist beliefs are actually more in line with most Independents than most Republicans, but just because Rand endorses Romney doesn't mean if you're in this movement you have to endorse and vote for Romney too. Who is asking anyone to compromise anything?