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Rand has plainly said: "I'm NOT a libertarian..."

Rand Paul plainly said "They thought all along that they could call me a libertarian and hang that label around my neck like an albatross, but I'm not a libertarian,"...
From the March 17th Time magazine:

People assumed he was just like his dad.

I just watched Ron's speech at the Texas Convention again
That is NOT a man that is quitting.

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For someone who claims to be...

well read, you lack comprehension skills, i.e., I said you support the Fed's communist trade policy, and given you don't deny this fact, you also support the Fed.

You should read a few more books about the French Revolution and remind yourself what happens to elitists, like yourself, who've lost touch with reality.

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

Just as obama

is/was a Constitutional expert.

They study and study in order to shred.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

No constitutional

laws can chain the will of the majority down for long. If majority of Americans did not want free-stuff and other perks from the government, Obama, Bush (or people like them) would not be elected. But women + gays + some ethnic men are 75% of potential voters and love NEVER-ENDING affirmative-action programs. They started with "equal pay for equal work" but ended "eqaul pay by default." Intellectuals too prefer gov jobs, grants and tenure. Our populists simply whine about bankers and Zionists - youtube clips had failed them as much as progressive schools.

As a gay man I am against

As a gay man I am against affirmative action as it is prejudiced. As an intellectual I am against government jobs because I do not believe in legalized theft. Maybe stop throwing around that rhetoric so much.

Do not play Progressive

card of personal victimhood when none was created. We are talking about majority, not individual cases. When gays, on average, start advocating justice without government racism (no "hate crime" laws, no affirmative action, no restriction on private owners whom they want to hire or fire), then I can listen to your argument. So I suggest to actively spread Libertarian ideas in gay and pro-gay outlets. Likewise, I would suggest Libertarian women fight affirmative-action and "women group rights" thingies in feminist outlets. Would they???

You must realize that those

You must realize that those people who advocate for government sponsored racism are not the emissaries or diplomats of the gay race. They are individuals like everyone else and are entitled to their opinions, however wrong they may be.

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Smart Move

You will know them by their ACTIONS.

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa


How did a post from June just get new life like this?

Whatever label Rand chooses...

he proved something very important with his filibuster. Rand proved that one Senator taking a stand on principle can make a difference. Especially when he's backed up by millions of citizens who are waking up to the fact that freedom is not free, i.e., we must stand up for our rights in order to secure our rights.

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

He's also said...

...countless times in the past few months:

"I think the country is ready for a libertarian Republican."

Also, when asked in a recent interview if he's a libertarian, he responded, "I don't like labels but, yes, a 'libertarian, or a 'constitutional conservative'."


You mean he is now claiming he is for liberty? Well, he is not of the Libertarian party, as we all knew. So, he has not flipped, at all.

I am confused by Libertarians when it comes to many things. The biggest is abortion! Don't get me wrong! I don't think any prohibitions, made up by man, will work! I could have never done or participated in an abortion of convenience. I feel, God would forgive me, if the mother's life was threatened or when had been raped. But, I don't have to worry about that any more, being out of the loop!

Thing is, when is the life of the baby to be taken into consideration as having its own right to life?! If it cannot be 100% decided by Libertarians, then who could?

I have no delusion, at this point, that the elites in this country will let a third party be viable. They are not allowed to participate in the MSM candidate wars! They have different funding rules. I, still, think the best way to get this country headed back to its liberties is to continue to support this liberty movement fired up by Dr Ron Paul!

Rand's filibuster for defending our right to trial and, thus, our liberty, is opening a lot of eyes. Will we be able to into the right place for the 2014 elections? I don't know. But, I do know, people have heard a lot more about defending our freedoms, in the first two months of this year, than they have for the many years preceding.

Who Cares

Labels are so dam silly anyway. Some people want to use them to create stereotypes about a person, and condemn them. Others use them for a badge of honor. I dont call myself a libertarian either. I call myself an individual.

all words are labels

are you going to give up on language?

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus



both of u make good points...

but you gotta admit that words do become perverted overtime, sometimes they get these negative kind of innuendos or whatever. I guess maybe not give up language all together, but maybe if we try to be aware and understand it's limitations, its lack of abilities to portray the image we have in mind. Seems like many times it takes long explanations using many different words (and tailored to the audience's perception)...before the point gets across. Maybe that's why Jesus used parabols all the time. Honestly this seems like a really important subject as the people in power purposely pervert words to skew people's judgement and lower their inhibitions morally. Words are important.


I don't care what he calls himself as long as he is principled and does what is right for our country.

I vote you..

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'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

He can call himself a

He can call himself a communist for all I care. Let's judge him on his actions, and in that respect he's doing pretty well.

Did he mean (l)ibertarian or (L)ibertarian?

And if he meant (l)ibertarian, what exactly does he mean by that? Anarcho-capitalist? Minarchist? Constitutional conservative? The term is not clearly defined, it refers to a broad spectrum of people who favor individual liberty over government power: but to varying degrees.

I think Rand meant to dissociate himself from the (L)ibertarians, which makes sense considering he was running as a Republican. I wouldn't read anything more into it, and his record is plenty libertarian for me.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Rand Paul is Not Playing Checkers


It's like he's playing chess

It's like he's playing chess and poker at the same time.

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no he is not

but some DPers are.

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and badly, at that

and badly, at that

First of all, he said this

First of all, he said this three years ago when he was running for senate. I took it as meaning that he's running as a Republican, and that the Republicans were going to have to deal with him and people like him being the new Republicans instead of getting to pigeonhole them into Libertarian obscurity.

Neither is Ron Paul

Ron Paul isn't really a libertarian either and has stated so. He is more of a state's rights constitutionalist which is a heck of a lot closer to libertarianism than about any politician we have in Washington. Ron has said and believes the states have the ability to do many things that libertarians would not agree with like regulating drugs just not at the federal level.

Rand Paul has made choices I oppose drastically like the sanctions on Iran. But with that said he has made some very good votes, and stood up to even his fellow republicans on a lot of votes like his father. Its still early and Rand is not his father true.

In my opinion Rand Paul is currently the best chance to win the white house with the closest views to libertarianism, perfect no, but a land slide better than the likely other candidates in the running. Is Rand flawed sure, so was Gary Johnson and I voted for him last election. Personally I would prefer Justin Amash over Rand but I believe he won't be 35 till after the 2016 election so maybe for the 2020-2024 election.

Also these forums are not really the libertarian forums yes many on here consider themselves as such including myself but this site is more in support of Ron Paul and Liberty minded candidates and ideas in my opinion. If you know of any other candidate for president that fits the majority of our views feel free to point them out.

it's too early

in the game..

It's too early in the game

It's too early in the game for what? Are you even playing yet?


why not give up trolling me, and being snide. surely you have better ways to use your energy?


You post a lot... I comment a lot. Don't take it personal.

Question stands... are you playing the game yet?