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Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death

I thought this a fitting Sunday read…I first came across it in my Citizens Rule Book and have looked this afternoon for a source document on the web. I found the information recopied several times, but never did find an original source. Perhaps you have an original source document for the following:

This lawyer, a former farmer and storekeeper, rode into Culpepper, Virginia in March, 1775. As he approached the center of town, he was disgusted and shocked by the sight that met his stare. In the middle of the towne square, a man was lashed to a whipping post, his back was bloody and raw, being laid bare by the metal-tips of the whip that had persecuted him. Henry inquired of the crowd what the man did to deserve such a beating as this. The answer was that he was a Preacher of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, one of a dozen, who refused to take out a license to preach from the Anglican (English) church. The governor was under an edict from King George III to force all preachers to take the license and the 'renegade ministers' were put on trial - without the benefit of a jury. This particular minister had greatly resisted, declaring in court, "I will never submit to taking your license. I am controlled by the Holy Spirit, and authorized by God Almighty, and I will not allow you to control me by a license, no matter what you may do to me."

This man, and his (11) fellow preachers, were all publicly flogged for their 'treasonous behavior' - they had resisted to blood - and this man ... unto death. The beating he withstood was so brutal that the outraged Patrick Henry could count the man's ribs. The courage and thirst for liberty of this 'man of God' inspired Patrick Henry deeply. There is little doubt that the event blazed in his mind as he spoke a short while later the words that he would become most famous for - "give me liberty - or give me death” Continue reading here: http://www.truthontheweb.org/liberty.htm

Also found the information at http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Annotated_Citizen's_Rule_Book#PATRICK_HENRY_SHOCKED.21
And at
http://www.meetup.com/ronpaul-281/messages/boards/thread/722...

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The only liberty we have left is to buy imported Chinese junk.

Political correctness has prevented the free expression of ideas.

We are all searched like criminals at the airport.

If your car breaks down on the highway, the police demand a driver's license to check if you are a criminal.

Our jails are filed with non-violent people who like to smoke marijuana or other similar drugs who pose no real threat to society.

If you don't cut your grass often enough, or if you have an old car on your lot, or anything else the local government doesn't approve about how you live, the government issues fines, enters the property and sends the owner a bill.

Police and courts routinely treat complaints from females about males as fact with out requiring affidavits from them and make arrests without warrants contrary to the constitution.

The family unit has been almost completely destroyed.

We may have economic rights, but we would have more personal liberty and privacy in Russia.

Police and courts routinely treat complaints from females about

males as fact..."

Unless that male happens to work for the family:

"He (BTK killer) then became a dog-catcher[2] and supervisor in the Compliance Department at Park City.[1] In this position, neighbors recalled him as sometimes overzealous and extremely strict; one neighbor complained that he euthanized her dog for no reason."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Rader

THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT GOVERNMENT
THE MORE I LOVE MY GUNS
FourWindsTradingPost

Longing for Russia?

I gave this comment further down in this post. You may want to check it out as you begin to long for Russia.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn - A Competitive Viewpoint

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/solzhenitsyn/harva...

Additionally Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote 3 volumes of roughly 1800 pages discussing the Gulag system in the Soviet Union in which he was confined.

From a more modern perspective, You might like to ask those Russians who do not receive paychecks (because they have all been handed out and there is nothing left to pay them for their labor) how much freedom they enjoy. I am by no means an expert, but have a personal acquaintance who spent time teaching English in Russia, who relayed this first hand information to me.

An American teaching English in Russia is not a Russian!!

My point was that Russians are still permitted a zone of privacy in their homes and on their own property, and in their private lives, i.e., liberty, which is shrinking here in the U.S. We do have far more economic competition here in the U.S. which results in more consumer goods in the stores than Russians experience. We also presently have our own gulag system here in the U.S. Our jails are filled with nonviolent people and taxpayers support the political patronage jobs and contracts which this system creates.

Russians and others in the former Soviet Union usually live in small Soviet apartments or live in little farms in the countryside, which they own so they don't pay mortgages. The government there obstructs free business competition frequently, but it usually leaves people alone otherwise, which was my point. The result is that while poorer, Russians tend to have much individual liberty in their personal lives.

Of course, everyone likes to get paid on time, but having a job and waiting a month to get paid is usually better than not having a job and having no income. We have many unemployed here in the U.S. who might prefer having the promise of getting a paycheck next month to having no such opportunity.

Foreigners teaching English, like your friend, often without proper work visas, are frequently abused throughout the world. If you haven't been to Russia, then perhaps you ought not to comment on the hearsay which you repeat here? (I have been to Russia before and many other places in the world.) Oh, and if you really want to know about life in Russia at present, you might try asking the Russian kids working at fast food restaurants and resorts on cultural exchange visas which take jobs away from Americans.

Clarification

Not to pick a fight, but to clarify: My acquaintance was at a University in Russia with proper authority. She was not the one not to receive the paychecks, she was the one who saw those not receiving paychecks, first-hand. Just how much personal freedom do you think you would enjoy without receiving an expected paycheck after working for it?

They have freedom because they own their flats free and clear.

These people aren't making monthly payments for mortgages. They can take public transportation to work. They also help each other out.

Late payments are part of the culture in Russia. It doesn't mean that they don't get paid ever. They just get paid late. With the low unemployment rate in Russia, those who are truly unhappy could find other employment much easier than in the U.S:

A Tale of Two Labor Markets: The Shocking Divergence in Russian and American Unemployment:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2012/06/23/a-tale-o...

It is worth noting that the official U.S. unemployment rate understates actual unemployment which is actually much higher than what is admitted:
Alternate Unemployment Charts:
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

The fact is that personal freedom is enhanced when unemployment is low and everyone can work. Getting paid late is better than not having a job, or are you still disputing this?

Again my point was that in Russia they have fewer rights, but somehow they have more personal liberty even though they don't all live in suburban mini-mansions and shop in WalMart to buy Chinese made stuff. The government pretty much stays out of people personal lives in Russia. We can't say the same thing here anymore. Funny thing happened after we won the Cold War.

Do they have toilet paper yet?

Do they have toilet paper yet?

My husband's professor had to carry an extra suitcase full of toilet paper everytime he traveled to Russia because even the best hotels did not have toilet paper...

Yes, do you? Wow! That time has long past in Russia!

For someone who wrote you didn't want to pick a fight, you sure like to rehash old Soviet era problems which are no longer relevant there.
"Yes, Mom, There Is Toilet Paper In Russia!!!"
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/2eb9c/90a60/
Even the poorer former Soviet states have the important papers now. Although if you go to the cheaper hotels you might find the John Wayne TP: It is tough as nails and takes sh*t off of no one!
Anyone with money can find the soft stuff.

Looks like your information about life in Russia is rather dated.

Soft Stuff

Yes, that information was from the 80's. It was not to pick a fight, it was a mere question. Do the poorest Russians enjoy the use of the soft stuff? I am just having a hard time with you selling the "free flats" when the people didn't even have toilet paper.

I have a friend here in the US. She has a “free flat” and “free government money.” She does not work. She has cerebral palsy. She has free soft toilet paper, running water and air conditioning. She walks to the gas station and buys a free cappuccino or coke whenever she wants to. I would say as one the poorest and most needy among Americans she has a pretty good life with lots of personal and economic freedom. Her dog even eats free here in America!

My dog lives in a free flat. I own it and I own my dog. Free may not mean free... People in the US can own flats free and clear. All they have to do is save their money like they did in the old days. I have friends who started out with a 8,000 home and now own their 40,000 free and clear and will probably move up again without paying any interest. It is from the want it now, more than I can afford, mentality that some American's suffer at the hands of the money loaners.

Give Me Liberty, or Give Me a Free Flat?

These words are meaningless

These words are meaningless unless they actually reflected by how people act.

Right now what I see almost exclusively is a whole lot of slaves desperately trying to cling on to their life and wellbeing willing to comply with any demands their masters may make. There are no lines drawn and there is no sacrifice made.

Land of the free, home of the brave? Maybe in a stupid nationalistic cult song only.

…Perhaps Liberty is Rising?

Perhaps words rally to action? Ron Paul has over a million facebook likes from what I remember seeing on the DP this week. He has traveled his 78 year old body, (or is he 79 now?) around the US speaking to thousands upon thousands to rally Friends of Liberty. In the last 6 months alone perhaps the brave have endured ridicule, harrassment, cheating, handcuffing, broken fingers, misplaced hips, broken car windows (those are just a few of the things I caught here on the DP) Perhaps there are still those who are brave in the land of the un-free from sea to shining sea? Perhaps there is a message whose time has come and an irate minority who will see that message to fruition? …Perhaps liberty is rising?

BTW just so no one

BTW just so no one misunderstands what I support:

I support peaceful disobedience and self defense. I do not support the initiation of violence against anyone which excludes using the political process to force people to respect my freedom and my self ownership and ownership of my property.

As do I

As do I - Godspeed Dr. Ron Paul!

The 501(c)3 church is made in the image of SATAN.

If you are a member of such a cult you should pick up your bible and family and run from it as fast as you can.

Those churches are on fire, SATAN'S fire is burning in them consuming the false teachers, false preachers and false counselors that have already through their 501(c)3 corporate status have testified against themselves and their satanic ministry as to the powers and principalities that they serve.

It is not Christ that they serve but those who He came to deliver us from.

Check out this home church and stay away from those who are acting as corporate collective agents of the wicked oppressive kings of this world.

Video here...

http://atruechurch.info/atfdallas2010.html

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A brief look

I took a brief look at this site you pointed to http://atruechurch.info/atfdallas2010.html

and here are some of my thoughts:

For anyone to say that Spurgeon was a false teacher is a bit too much for me, I must say.
We all seek to be as close to Christ as we are able, yet sin still dwells within and we war against the flesh.
No man (other than Christ) on the face of the earth, ever had, nor has a perfect understanding of the Scriptures, nor lives perfectly.

Charles Spurgeon was a God fearing man who loved the truth and preached the truth, and lived the truth.
Did he perfectly understand everything, or speak with perfect understanding without error? Of course not.

Is there anyone out there who is perfect in their walk, talk and understanding of the things of the Lord?

Are we then to label such as "false teachers"?

May we all walk humbly daily before the Lord and ask His blessings to better understand, and daily mercies upon such worms that we are!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

I humbly request that you be

I humbly request that you be very careful when casting judgment.

My husband is a Pastor of a 501c3 church. We did not even become aware of the implications less than a year ago. Another generation made those decisions while we were yet children, they made those decisions, not us. The Lord Jesus Christ is who I serve, not an organization. I have placed my trust in His Death, Burial and Resurrection for the remission of my sins. I have no hope but Christ. That is the Gospel my husband preaches. Our church is becoming aware of that pernicious evil which has gagged ministers of Christ. We are looking toward getting our church out of this mess , not just fleeing with our family.

I Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received , and wherein ye stand ; 2 By which also ye are saved , if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received , how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;4And that he was buried , and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remainunto this present, but some are fallen asleep . 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

Romans 1:16 For I amnot ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth ; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

As far as what the Word of God says, it is the authority, not me. If I believe something or think something that is not in accordance with the Bible, I am wrong, not the Bible. 2 Peter 1:21 “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”

Do you have a SSN and pay taxes? My parents got me one of those numbers while I was just a child. I got my children those numbers while they were just babies. Just like the 501c3, those SSNs were requested for a money grab tax write off. By those numbers and those taxes we are funding that pernicious evil by which pastors in churches have been gagged, babies are aborted, people are murdered and payrolls are paid to fund those operations. I dare say we are all guilty before God.

Full Quote

“An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death.”

from: http://onecanhappen.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/when-a-people-f...

The site says the full quote is not in current text books.

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And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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No One Wants to Put the Pieces Together

The above is a Liberty discussion, many quotes, and I'm going to pick out a sentence spoken by Gerald Celente:

@time 23:40

"The world is blowing up in front of our face and no one wants to put the pieces together."

All those things on a schedule invented, produced, and maintained by the few most powerful people, are easily avoided, completely side stepped, and of no consequence anymore, merely by exerting individual will, with one stubborn hurdle: the factor of numbers.

Quote:

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
Henry Ford

The entire Doom Day Parade, or The Business Cycle, or The World Reserve Currency Extortion Fraud Legal Crime in Progress, or whatever name the victims parrot when they are told to parrot that name, and as loud as they are told to parrot that name, whichever name works today, whichever color the money is today, can be a part of the past, on our schedule, we the former victims, we the formerly confused, we the formerly targeted, we the formerly powerless, we the formerly divided, we the formerly stupid, in unison, we decide to leave all that behind, some fine summer morning, and I'm not speaking about suicide, not political suicide, not figurative suicide, and there doesn't even need to be any "hard times" coming.

The power of numbers wins. Call it democracy so as to feel bad about it on your half, or good about it on the other half, divided, and at each others throats.

It isn't democracy if you simply decide to join in on the decision to opt out on a date in the future.

July 4th 2012.

Why not?

Too soon.

July 4th 2013.

Too late?

Henry Ford clues us in, but he is half right, since things do need to happen before tomorrow morning, things that need to happen after enough of us put enough of the pieces together to realize the need for competitive legal money in place, ready on our schedule, when we do opt out, on our schedule, fair warning to all who have bet the farm on Legal Crime, going all in on the Dollar Doom Day Parade to Hell.

Say, you, yes you, so you have bet the farm, placing your put options on losing big, selling everyone else short, fine, have a nice day, meanwhile, we will be over here, opting out of the whole thing, so have a nice day, and if you think you can collect on your Dollar Debts, from us, think again, we found honest money instead, and we will no longer accept your Debts; Public or Private.

No?

No one want's to put the pieces together?

Speak for yourself. The fix is not only peaceful, not only easy, not only a certain fix, if only, enough people wise up in time.

The fact is that people have put all the pieces together, and the solutions will work, or the other half of Patrick Henry's demand will be the choice made by too many people.

Liberty

or

Blind Obedience to Falsehood

You can say that you see no solutions, there is only the Final Solution, and that can be your self fulfilling prophecy.

No money connection to the Legal Criminals means, by definition, no Debt owed to them, and honest money can connect all the honest people, empowering honest productivity, employing our power to make our power abundant, higher and higher standards of living while costs of living are lowered and lowered once we disconnect from the Legal Crime Cabal and once we invent, produce, and maintain honest productive connections among our own Liberated number.

Just because the script reads Doom, and your part in that charade is to run fast off a cliff, does not mean that you have to pay for that end that way. Don't read the teleprompter and instead: listen to those who have managed to find workable ways out of the Doom Day Parade.

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
― Samuel Adams

"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer." (Thomas Paine)

Before we stop, as one, providing the means by which we suffer, on a day we pick on our calenders, a day we have ready for our use, a competitive honest legal money or two will be ours to use on that day, for each State, or each City, or each Family.

Here is your notice, if you must stay with Legal Crime, please do, but we will be over here, voluntarily leaving your hell on earth.

Between now and that day, prepare, and be certain, be determined, and do not settle for less than Liberty, since the alternative is intolerable.

Joe

So, you've gone John Galt

But, if you don't mind sharing, what is your method?

I ask only because I wholly agree with you and am wondering if any part of your method, if not the whole, I might be able to incorporate into my life to better prepare.

If you'd prefer not to tell me here on this forum, I understand.

Hell, if I had more details, I might be inclined to join you in your withdrawal. I used to be a writer and publisher before I went John Galt on the whole affair. For the time being anyway. I just don't want to produce for them .

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Easy as American Pie

The principle behind the True American Dream may well be compared to the Counterfeit version so as to offer a Prelude to the Fix.

The True American Dream can be summed up as:

Power produced into oversupply reduces the price of power while purchasing power increases because power reduces the cost of production.

In other words:

Use the power you have to make more power.

If enough Americans are on that same page, that Liberty Page, then there is, by our will power, an American Dream to be had, in the land of abundance, because we, enough of us making up "we", do not resort to the counterfeit version of the American Dream.

We choose not to resort to deceit, threats of violence, and acts of violence as a means of creating our exclusive Counterfeit American Dream, for Just US.

The Counterfeit Version of The American Dream can be kept close at hand for anyone to know exactly what it is and how it is playing out in real time: just look here:

Official National Debt Clock Real Time

My version of a competitive way out of that Crime in Progress is the obvious polar opposite to it.

Remember this:

Power produced into oversupply reduces the price of power while purchasing power increases because power reduces the cost of production.

That is the polar opposite to this:

Power throttled down into scarcity increases the price of power while purchasing power decreases because the absence of power increases the cost of production.

That is the Prelude (cut down into a sound bite)

On to a competitive replacement for The Business Psycho.

We two, or Bear can join in, pretend that we are elected as President, Speaker of the House, and Chairman of The Federal Reserve.

I offer and you agree, to pass into law 2 new Financial Instruments called Product 1 and Product 2, which will be up for competitive bids, a license offered to 10 bidders seeking to make a profit as a franchise in the sale of Product 1 and Product 2.

First thing that has to be done, to sell these things, is to join in on the play acting, along the lines of you, or any American, or any human being on the planet Earth, walking into a new Product 1 and Product 2 store and asking to buy one or both products.

You pretend to be a new customer, you look on-line, and you find 10 companies selling Product 1 and Product 2, on a Google Search, there they are on that web page 10 companies listed, and you pick the top one, or you pick the second to the top one, or you pick the 10th one on the list, but you pick one Web Page, you go to it, and you see what they are selling, since the Regime Change at the Top of The Dollar Hegemony, which is no longer a Dollar Hegemony, is gone, and in place of Legal Crime is Liberty - No More Legal Criminals.

Ron Paul took a dive, we didn't, new day, like this:

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
Henry Ford

You click on the web page and start looking at Product 1.

Product 1 is a Home Mortgage or Business Mortgage Loan that is denominated in its own Legal Tender units. We can argue over how the unit is initially determined as to value, but we can just as easily get past that argument by saying something along the lines of an average value per square foot of Real Estate, or tie the unit to an ounce of Gold, or an average based on both stable measures of value (despite manipulations), or a third factor could be added to the average such as a kilowatt/hour of electricity, thereby ensuring stability to the initial measure of value of each new competitive money unit. You have to stop thinking in terms of "only one" money.

If you own a current mortgage on your home or if you are renting a home, or if you own a current mortgage on a business property, or you are renting a business property, you may be interested in Product 1, interested enough to look past the initial estimate of value per unit of this new Legal Tender and you can know that this Legal Tender is good for all debts public and private which means, in fact, that you can use this money, just like you can use The Dollar, to pay tax "liabilities", so it is as good as gold by that measure if not by the square foot or kilowatt/hour measure average, or gold ounce peg.

So you browse the web page and find out a few things concerning Product 1.

How much interest do you pay, or how much does it cost you to borrow money from yourself now? Now you pay 2 or 3 whole houses to get one house.

How much interest for Product 1?

None.

The answer is that Product 1 is like the guy trying to sell razor blades where the razor is given away for "free".

The answer is like the program Skype is given away for free so as to sell advertizement space or a higher value, more elaborate version of the free version of the, program.

In fact, for now, assume that Skype won one of the 10 Bids offered to the first 10 bidders seeking to make money out of this new Competitive Legal Money Franchise. You are on the Skype web page, now, looking to see if you want to buy Product 1. You may jump from the Skype page to the e-Bay page, since e-Bay also won one of the 10 bids.

No interest due to you if, as it says on the Web Page, you have no previous history of failing to pay back loans, you are presumed to be innocent until proven guilty, and your Good Faith and Credit is assumed to be as good as gold, as good as the same value The Federal Reserve currently backs their Fraudulent Money on. You pay no interest if you have no bad credit history, and you have no bad credit history, so in your case you pay no interest.

What do you do now?

So, you think, I currently owe about 3 houses worth of my earnings just to get one house, and now this Product 1 allows me to borrow from my own Good Faith and Credit, and if I can pay for 3 houses just to get 1 house, I can certainly pay back the price of 1 house to get 1 house, so you say, I'll take that deal, but what are the strings attached? Why does this look like a something for nothing deal?

Why are people comparing what can be with what is in fact? What is in fact is Legal Fraud, so an actual trade between a person with Good Faith and Credit with an Honest Accounting Service may appear to be relatively unbelievable.

No strings attached. If you fail to pay back the loan: your credit rating goes down and the square footage of Real Estate, the title, is assumed to be transferred to the Accounting Service as a form of collateral. You want the house so you pay back the price of the house, and since you borrowed from your own Good Faith and Credit, you pay no interest, and the Franchise makes its profits off Product 2, but you are not concerned with Product 2 right now, you are only concerned with the consequences, from sea to shinning sea, with the sales of Product 1, for now.

What happens if you, and an army of fellow Friends of Liberty, pay off your interest bearing mortgages with these new Product 1 products?

Do some of the math and you will come up with 13 zeros often.

Product 1 stops the flow of 13 zeros flowing from the people who Constitute The Good Faith and Credit of The American People, as that flow of Purchasing Power flows to Legal Criminals, but all you have to know is your costs and your benefits each month, other people can take care of their own special interests in Liberty.

How much do you pay each month right now in mortgage interest if you happen to be one of the hundred million people (more or less) paying mortgage interest?

You either pay off the home or business much earlier or you pay roughly half as much per month to get clear title in the same time period.

You just got a monthly raise with Product 1, and the Legal Criminal Fraud Bankers just lost you as a victim.

You get the legal money to pay off the existing mortgage interest Loan and if those "Bankers" threaten an early payment you can walk off that old home and buy a new one, because Joe Kelley as President, or any Friend of Liberty as President would not be inclined to convict someone of a crime for the offer to pay back a loan in full, having the lender demand even more money, according to a contract demanding more money for early payment, considering the fact that such contracts were made Fraudulently in the first place, since there was, in the past, a Legal Money Monopoly, or Communist style State Bank, in operation before the Criminals were kicked out of office. Not a get of jail free card, but amnesty for victims of fraud that have been blamed for being innocent, blamed for being victims.

In other words: Product 1 is legally binding, as money, to pay off any existing interest bearing mortgage, without penalty for early payment, so have no fear, offer the early payment, or pay the fine if you feel the need, but end that connection if you feel powerful enough with your own Good Faith and Credit to do so, since the Goons won't be knocking down your door, in full riot gear, enforcing a Fraudulent Debt Payment from you, since you Constitute The Good Faith and Credit of America - having nothing to do with any corporate interest known as U.S.A. Inc. (LLC).

You can also pay off your business mortgage with Product 1, or buy a new business property to continue an existing business, or start a new one, same interest rate which is zero, and the same square feet of collateral, all done nice and legal, all according to a specific deal you make with one of the new 10 franchises.

What about Product 2?

Before I move onto Product 2 please know that these are illustrations of what can be when actual competition enters money markets whereby fraud is no longer the highest paying job in America since the criminals who took over government are no longer enforcing a Legal Money Monopoly Power, so the challenge is to use the illustrative exercise to our advantage: to know better.

We The Friends of Liberty ReUnited (not since 1776 to 1788)

Product 2 is the product that offers the Franchise a competitive profit in the legal money lending business, where the base (or starting) competitive charge for Product 1 loans is 1%, and the idea here is not akin to an enforced "minimum wage", the idea here is to realize exactly how much profit can be made when a license is awarded to a legal money competitor who is then empowered to sell legal money: exactly the same power already given to the ONE STATE BANK, or Legal Monopoly Bank.

How much power is there in getting a piece of that action?

How much power is there in getting the whole enchilada?

Official National Debt Clock Real Time

Start thinking in terms of 13 zeros and see how much power is involved even when competitors are lowering their prices down to 1% so as to attract more share of the market by offering higher quality at lower prices when competition is not against the law.

Product 2 is advertized on the same web pages, you are already thinking seriously about buying Product 1, so you look into Product 2, and you find that you can borrow again from your Good Faith and Credit, but now you have to pay back the whole loan plus 1% straight interest, or 1% Simple Interest, on that Credit that you earn, and the 1% is the profit (minus costs) realized by e-Bay, or Skype, or PayPal, or whichever company wins the bid for the 10 competitive sellers of Product 1 and Product 2.

You can only borrow Product 2 loans based upon a current measure of productivity produced by the thing being purchased such as the 3 things I can list (not at all limited by me, merely a math calculation that can be done by both seller and buyer of Product 2 loans).

1.
Solar Panels
2.
Electric cars
3.
Modular Vertical Farming Green House Units

Solar Panels can be bought by Product 2 buyers if the calculations work out in your Sunny Area; whereby the money you spend in buying the Solar Panels is X and the money you gain by producing your own power at home is X + MORE THAN 1% of X. In other words the available information confirms a capacity to pay back the loan, pay back the interest on the loan, and produce a profit for the borrower.

Power used to make more power, not "money" making more "money".

Electric cars currently consume about 2 cents per mile compared to petroleum powered cars consuming about 10 cents per mile in fuel costs. So the thinking here is along the lines of a person borrowing enough money with a Product 2 loan to start a competitive Taxi Business, making his own motor fuel with Solar Panels, and buying a Fleet of Electric Cars (which are just now becoming competitively priced due to mass production and economies of scale along the lines of the difference between the costs of the first computers and the prices of the latest desk top computers) and having a competitive edge to stay in business, pay back the entire loan, pay back the 1% interest sent to the BANK to keep their doors open too, and earn a profit based upon current information supporting the validity of the competitive business expense.

Power used to make more power, not "money" used to make more "money".

Before the new Electric Car Taxi business person borrowed on his or her own Good Faith and Credit there were few Kilowatt/hours of power produced, then in the time it takes to generate the power to pay off the loan, the power supply increased by exactly as much productive power flows from the Sun, into those cars, and those people are taken here and there, in that time period.

Moving onto the 3rd possible example of things that are specified by their proven capacity to generate more power than the power used to produce these things that can be purchased with Product 2 loans: Better Food for Cheaper - produced by individual, competitive, home producers.

Average Joe or Jane pays off their mortgage, earning a big fat monthly increase in pay (cutting the mortgage bill in half), buys the first Modular Vertical Farming Unit, some Solar Panels to fuel it, and begins producing any number of new products not limited to food, since I first saw one of these new concept products used to make motor fuel out of algae, or a gasoline replacement. Where 1 unit can be used competitively in the production of food or fuel 2 units are even more competitive when the producer has enough room on site to expand the operation once the business gains local currency, finding buyers and suppliers and making ends meet.

A Modular Vertical Farming Green House Unit consumes much less ground area compared to a conventional farm, consumes much less water since the water is not lost to evaporation, consumes much less by way of pesticides since the environment is sealed off and easier to control, and the use of sunlight is more efficient as the plants are held up vertically in direct sunlight, and there is the added potential of producing synthetic sunlight for day and night growth.

A return to an agricultural, private, individual, independence, as opposed to a collective, or public, agriculture dependence.

An end to economic fascism, and a new beginning on the road of Liberty - which is earned not stolen.

Joe

Gerald Celente

Did/Does Gerald Celente put the pieces together?

RE his quote: "The world is blowing up in front of our face and no one wants to put the pieces together."

How does one "Between now and that day, prepare, and be certain, be determined, and do not settle for less than Liberty, since the alternative is intolerable."?

Gerald Celente documents trends for a living. Humpty going down

His business is Trends Research. Based on what happened, where are we going?

He makes impassioned speeches to rouse us.
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Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the King's horses
and all the King's men
couldn't put Humpty together again!

Humpty Dumpty Rhyme

Humpty Dumpty was in fact believed to be a large cannon! It was used during the English Civil War ( 1642 - 1649) in the Siege of Colchester (13 Jun 1648 - 27 Aug 1648). Colchester was strongly fortified by the Royalists and was laid to siege by the Parliamentarians (Roundheads). In 1648 the town of Colchester was a walled town with a castle and several churches and was protected by the city wall. Standing immediately adjacent the city wall, was St Mary's Church. A huge cannon, colloquially called Humpty Dumpty, was strategically placed on the wall next to St Mary's Church. The historical events detailing the siege of Colchester are well documented - references to the cannon ( Humpty Dumpty) are as follows:

June 15th 1648 - St Mary's Church is fortified and a large cannon is placed on the roof which was fired by ‘One-Eyed Jack Thompson'

July 14th / July 15th 1648 - The Royalist fort within the walls at St Mary's church is blown to pieces and their main cannon battery ( Humpty Dumpty) is destroyed.

August 28th 1648 - The Royalists lay down their arms, open the gates of Colchester and surrender to the Parliamentarians

A shot from a Parliamentary cannon succeeded in damaging the wall beneath Humpty Dumpty which caused the cannon to tumble to the ground. The Royalists, or Cavaliers, 'all the King's men' attempted to raise Humpty Dumpty on to another part of the wall. However, because the cannon , or Humpty Dumpty, was so heavy ' All the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty together again!' This had a drastic consequence for the Royalists as the strategically important town of Colchester fell to the Parliamentarians after a siege lasting eleven weeks. Earliest traceable publication 1810.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Fascinating!

Fascinating! Thank you! I enjoyed the history of Humpty Dumpty! A well placed shot won the day! Of course now I need to look into English history and find out who the Royalists and Parliamentarians are! I am wishing that I had enjoyed history earlier in my life. I am finding it interesting now. I guess in the next 30 years I will want to do my geneology!

Am I reading too much into your comment by assuming the world is Humpty Dumpty? RE Celente's quote: "The world is blowing up in front of our face and no one wants to put the pieces together."

Am I reading too much...by assuming the world is Humpty Dumpty?

Dear Bear,

You ask:
"Am I reading too much into your comment by assuming the world is Humpty Dumpty?" - Bear, DailyPaul Member, 2012

The inference my be drawn. It is up to the reader to connect rhyme with history. The Humpty Dumpty rhyme was to convey history in a pleasant way that may be passed down through the ages without reprisal. This is the case for most age old nursery rhymes.

I have never accused my readers of reading too much. As a writer & publisher, some may infer I am biased. Your welcome. & Thanks.
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Royalists were the Royal Family & their loyal subjects (all the King's horses & all the King's men). The Parliamentarians were the subjugated (somewhat loyal) opposition. Parliamentarians longed for the 'rule of law.'

Regards,

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

A competitive offering

I can list the people I think have the most competitive offerings of the whole picture to date.

1.
Ron Paul
2.
Alex Jones
3.
Bill Still
4.
Jesse Ventura
5.
Henry C K Liu
6.
Gary North
7.
Noam Chomsky
8.
Walter Burien
9.
Cindy Sheehan
10.
Gerald Celente

In no particular order unless each viewpoint is compared to my own, point by point, based upon some standard of measure such as my offering of a power law, or political/economic equation.

Gerald Celente is a political economy whistle blower, a modern day Paul Revere, and his reports offer a competitive version of putting the pieces together, arranging a message, and delivering the message.

Did you listen to any messages from Gerald Celente?

Joe

Link not found

I am getting a DP error message with the link. Can you recheck or is it a joke?

Error posting

Celente

bear,

The link was not checked by me so I did not catch my error.

The above link is the link that should have been linked. I will check to make sure it works this time. Please excuse the error, and thanks for the reply pointing out the error.

Joe

For What?

Thank you for the link. I have finished listening. What I heard as the solution was to educate oneself by going to varying information sources, some of which are questionable. Then to share ideas of liberty at a newly Celente created forum (can’t remember the name). Also stated was something to the effect that the American people have not yet had freedom infringed enough to be completely aware, but that that is coming. At least that is what I thought I heard. Perhaps the goal is to amass and educate friends of liberty? For what end? I cannot completely understand how an ideological battle will accomplish freedom.

Is it for this: Does defenseLESS violence lead to defensive violence? What if my Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death post origin was true? (The preacher who was scourged to death because he would not take a state liscense.) Does defenseless violence lead to oratory to defensive violence?

More from patrick Henry:

6.14 “The honorable gentleman who presides told us that, to prevent abuses in our government, we will assemble in Convention, recall our delegated powers, and punish our servants for abusing the trust reposed in them. O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people!” (http://www.wfu.edu/~zulick/340/henry.html)