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A Fork in the Revolution

Rand Paul's endorsement of Mitt Romney tests his father's movement.

It's Friday and the King Dude is on the air. Normally, Mike Church uses his early morning Sirius program as a platform to bash the faux conservatives he calls "Decepticons." But this time he is criticizing Rand Paul, the Tea Party senator from Kentucky. Church pushes back against a friendly listener who disagrees.

"If the goal is the U.S. Constitution as it was enforced, kind of, during the Jefferson Administration or during the Pierce Administration or during the Tyler or Cleveland Administrations, pray tell, sir, how do we get there if we cannot keep people like Rand on the straight and narrow?" Church asks.

The night before, Rand Paul went on television and endorsed Mitt Romney for president. "My first choice had always been my father," Ron Paul's son told Sean Hannity. "I campaigned for him when I was 11 years old. He's still my first pick. But now that the nominating process is over, tonight I'm happy to announce that I'm going to be supporting Gov. Mitt Romney."

"My dad has a legion of young followers who are on the Internet," the younger Paul said. And many of those young followers were hopping mad. "Rand is dead to me," one wrote at the popular website Daily Paul, a clearinghouse of information about the libertarian Republican's campaign. "He never should have done this." The opening comment on a thread discussing the Romney endorsement said, "Sorry Rand, but you CANNOT make a deal with the devil." A poster on Alex Jones' website called the senator a "wolf in sheep’s clothing."

The Atlantic's John Hudson dubbed it the libertarian equivalent of the folk purists' reaction to Bob Dylan going electric. Some of these modern-day Pete Seegers directed their ire toward Ron Paul himself: "We will never vote for Romney or your flimsy son."

These are the growing pains of a young movement, but the dissension is about more than an endorsement. After the high-water mark of Iowa and New Hampshire, Ron Paul's campaign strategy focused on integrating his supporters in the Republican Party. That meant storming state conventions, capturing delegates, and winning party leadership positions.

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I think your right there Kurt....

but I would describe the movement at being at a cross road. Do we continue down the path to Liberty by trying to change / operating within the Republican Party, knowing how the majority abhore Liberty, or do we go Independent / develope a third party? Since the Republican and Democratic Parties are so very similar, with just a few minor non-real-issues used to fool the sheep into thinking they are different, I say Third Party is the way to go. It is the way I will vote if (and only if) Ron Paul does not get the nomination (I am still hopefull). But when all is said and done, I really don't think we have enough time to go down either path to Liberty as the hammer is coming down as I type, and you read.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Even though I detest the Republican Party....taking it over is

the way to go. Look...we have people in place....next round they will be more in charge.

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

I just up voted your comment Karen

When you look at the facts and take emotion out of the equasion it is plain to see that a third party has already failed miserably. It's called the Libertarian party. I suggest for all you people that can't hold your nose and become a Republican (like Ron Paul had the courage to do) vote Libertarian and see what your vote gets you. We have made tremendous gains becoming the GOP why throw that away? As the r3volution grows, and it will, simply because people wake up everyday, there will be a tipping point where we will be the GOP. It could happen in the next four years. Ron Paul has been fighting this fight for 40 years mostly alone are we so instant gratification transfixed that we just throw up our hands and quit because we can't change the evil that has taken root in the last 80 years in one election cycle? How pathetic. Get over your butt hurt and get back to work!

I didn't write this article

I didn't write this article it is from the American Spectator and has lots of perspectives I encourage folks to read the entire article here:

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/06/11/a-fork-in-the-revol...

The problem with Rand's

The problem with Rand's announcement is that it is so public, so politically expedient, like someone just handed him $10M to say it or offered him the VP position.

"HAPPY to support" Romney? Who the heck is HAPPY to support Romney? Not even diehard Republicans are HAPPY about Rommey!

Something like "hey, you know, I'm for my father 100% and in the end, I will support the Republican nominee when it is 100% clear who that is". Or even just not say a word. If anyone is to endorse Mitt Romney, Rand Paul, the junior first term senator would be the LAST person to endorse him. I mean, sure, eventually he would be asked "now that your father, blah, blah, blah", but that didn't even come up.

He actually communicated to Hannity that he wanted to come on specifically to endorse Romney. There is a political payoff, we just don't know what it is yet. Maybe he will have an appointment in the Romney administration, I suspect that is the case. "Get on board now and you will be nominated for...."

Nothing in the 50 states happened to make Rand do it, it HAS to be something that changed inside Washington, behind closed doors. But sadly, I think Ron Paul gave the okay on it. "Hey, dad, they just offered me this". "Okay, take it". I'm near 100% sure he didn't do it without it being sanctioned by the old man.

The problem is, we'd have to get Romney elected to find out, and I'm not that curious.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

BS Johnson divider

Go back to the dailyjohnson with your spin. If Ron Paul had been onboard he sure wouldn't have railed against doing such at the speech he gave just hours before Rand made his move. Or at the other speech he gave at the concert after Rand had done so.

http://www.dailypaul.com/238185/live-stream-ron-paul-speech-...

there's a link for the second speech down in the thread a ways.

No. These are NOT the growing pains of a young movement..

l. Rand flat out lied. The nomination has not even occurred
2. The timing was beyond CRASS. How dare he takeover the spotlight
and airtime on the very night after Ron Paul gave probably the most epic speech of the past 100 years....when the Texas delegates were thinking of who to support....he was trying to make the delegates think Ron Paul dropped out. This in Ron Paul's OWN HOME STATE.

No....this was a betrayal.....No two ways about it. The TIMING was calculated to take the impact out of Ron's Speech. This was a planned event. Traitor.

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

Really?

Ron Pauls Texas speech would not have been aired regardless. When is it ever?

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

Yes, REALLY. What do you think the delegates were talking

bout that night, when they should have been pondering Ron Paul's speech?
The scuttlebut came out and took over. It was shameful.

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

Exactly

many spent days unable to see the speech through all the Posts by the hopeful vulture trolls, some of whom had been on here for weeks waiting in hopes of dividing us among the three establishment candidates Obama, Romney and Johnson. Ron's speech converted people who went in there intent on backing mittens. And all the trolls kept with the MSM spin that the email the day before was a concession. Shameful.

Man,

that really sucks.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

Still

we picked up a lot of delegates in Texas. its the damage onthe board thats a bigger issue. Though even here I think the majority are holding fast.