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Rand is playing a different game. Time to put the Rand subject to bed...

Paco said it best. Not even Ron Paul could stop us if he wanted to. The fire he started has turned into a raging inferno that will not be quenched until it has consumed every last inch of this land. We've fought too hard, and for many of us, too long. The media doesn't know what to do with us. Nobody seems to understand that we're not just Ron Paul supporters, we're revolutionaries, patriots hell bent on the total defeat of our tyrannical opposition. So when Rand Paul does the unthinkable and vows to support a sworn enemy, we're rightly livid and voicing our willingness to drop even the Paul family if it means advancing our cause of liberty. But for all the emotion it stirs, for all the anger that boils over in the hearts of the committed, we must remember that in a political war such as ours, with the stakes as high as they are, emotions will fly all over the place. Every move, no matter how strategic and calculated, runs the risk of striking our hearts as a betrayal if it is anything but a full out "charge." Thus it is imperative to set emotion aside and look at the broader picture, dealing with what facts we possess.

While I can't claim to have a definitive answer for everything coming from the official campaign, I can offer a bit of strategic advice and use my skills background to safely assume a few things. A little later on in this article this author will publish my analysis of Rand Paul's body language during his endorsement announcement as others have already done. But for now I wish to assure you of a few things I am fairly confident in. First, there is talk of his family having been threatened and while there is a real possibility of this, there is no evidence in my findings of this being the reason for Rand Paul's untimely endorsement. Also, even if it is true that Rand sold us out, it doesn't make one lick of difference to us, we will march on with or without him! The only reason I am addressing any of this is to argue against Alex Jones' recent rants and to encourage those who are considering dropping the Paul family to stray very far away from rash decisions based on a whole lot of emotion and a monstrous lack of fact.

I am absolutely convinced that Rand Paul did not sell us out for reasons you will see below, and is looking at the long term goal of our movement, as his father likely is. Which do you think is more important to the good doctor; winning the presidency or saving the country? Like any old man, Dr. Paul is very much aware that his days are numbered and will only be able to do so much in what limited days he has left. Does this mean he doesn't want to win? Of course not. But what happens after Dr. Paul if there's no one in political power to fill his void? Do we want to set the establishment back a few steps, or completely derail their efforts? Think about what our long term goal is and open your mind to what Rand's endorsement has done for us. He has set in stone the legitimacy of our platform for years to come. Jack Hunter already did a good job of explaining how that works so I won't repeat it here.

I can here you now, "Okay Josiah, I can see how an endorsement of the GOP nominee secures our platform, but Romney isn't yet the nominee, so why such bad timing?" The answer is quite simple. Dr. Paul's concession email came out just prior to his very powerful Texas speech, which was followed by Rand's endorsement. If Rand continued to wait, the powers that be would grow increasingly weary of Rand, thereby weakening the political position he has worked so hard to gain. You must do it at a time when they are most willing to accept you, or risk being forever shut out. The time that they would be open to it? Well Sean Hannity made that pretty clear; right after Ron Paul's concession! It's important to understand that our fight isn't a one dimensional battle; it is a multilayer takeover of every aspect of the governmental arena. Someone had to get their hands dirty, better it Rand than his father or any one of us. One more piece of advice and then onto the much anticipated analysis: Continue our roles, continue our immediate battle layed before us and make sure we win in Tampa! Let them think they've won for now, they've already lost the war.

The following is my analysis written on Saturday, June 9th:

When Rand says "You know uh, my father had always been my first choice" He leans forward and does a double head nod as he says "always" his shoulders move out and you catch a glimpse of hand gestures moving forward. This is indicated of an emphasis on a point. His body language is clearly placing an emphasis on the word "always". This is telling of sincerity and of commitment to his statement.

Again he leans forward and then moves his up and to his right as if he's subconsciously drawing a check-mark to emphasize "Still my first pick," suggesting consistency in thought of the statement above. It's as if he noticed his feelings for his father should be strongly reiterated and then makes a mental check-mark. If this statement was untrue, you would expect here that his shoulders would have gestured backwards with the check mark or his head slightly shake "no" in disagreement or other gestures not seen here, but as you can see this is not the case. In fact, it suggests that if the next statement was contrary to his now self-assured clearly stated position on his father, it would be met with regret.

Notice also that when he talks about his father, his shoulders do a lot of gesturing that would flow well with open hand gestures, which would suggest an open dialogue. Also, this type of body language is consistent with videos of him speak on things we have no reason to doubt him on. Nothing to be indicating deceit or dishonesty here. Also, if you freeze frame it when mentioning his father or recalling campaigning for him, you see the sides of his eyes flex and his cheeks slightly raise in what's called a micro-expression of what appears to be a smile. It makes him happy to recall this information. On the announcement of his endorsement, there is a micro-expression, but it's the polar opposite of what we see here.

When he mentions the words "I am happy to..." he bows down a bit and slightly slumps his shoulders when he comes back up. This is telling of a loss of confidence in his statement. Also his movement here becomes and remains for an unnatural amount of time very ridged and much less animated than in other clips. His face also becomes almost forced blankness, a poker face. Then, when naming Romney, he again nods his head and this can be taken either as an acknowledgement of his name or again a reiterate of the lack of confidence. Either way the most important feature to note is a micro-expression of a stiff lip and lowered cheek and lowered chin. This is a frown, suggesting that the thought of Romney brought unpleasant feelings, though his quick recovery to blank face says that he is trying to hide this fact.

Another important tidbit to pay attention to is his self-assured gestures he gives when speaking about his own family values, which include head nods and emphasis points as seen above. However in many cases when he ties them to Romney you see a slight shrug, a "no" type head shake and even a gesture backwards with his head. These differences point to an inconsistency of feeling with the statement and point to dishonesty. Also you notice very subtle shifts of posture indicating a certain uneasiness. While not an overly animated speaker, Rand is distinctly animated in other examples I have looked at, and this is totally lacking when he speaks favorably of Romney. Throughout the duration of the clip, you

see his animation come through when the particular subject matter is not Romney specific but is issue specific. When it goes back to Romney, his shoulders stop moving, his head movements become less pronounced, and his movements more ridged than in other statements. The fact that his overall rigidness is often held out a bit too long is indicative of something to hide.

No indications of "help me, I'm in trouble" are present in any of my observations. In fact much of his speech is met with an overall lack of emotive indication, suggesting his decisions is devoid of emotion, and there is an overall sense of calculation. If he this was the result of a threat, one would expect that during his open dialogue about his family, an expression of worry or an attempt to hide something would be present. His attempts to hide are on the subject of Romney, never on the subject of his family. Being a response to a threat is not a vibe I get from this reading, but one of a calculated hidden strategy most definitely is. It is clear to me that his endorsement, while not sincere, is seen to him as necessary and there's a genuine display of positive emotion when speaking of his family and particularly his father, indicative that he does not feel he is in any way betraying his father or his values.




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thank you--

I am beginning to realize, also, that one of the things that I have in common with Ron Paul is that he hasn't told others how to vote!

Well, neither did Rand.

But, though I have encouraged people on DP not to be violent (I did an OP on mob violence, and my experiences with it, but it didn't make it to be read; it ran right off and was on the 3rd page from the instant I clicked 'save'--LOL!)--

because I feel strongly about doing that--

but I, like Ron Paul, do NOT want to tell other people how to live, vote, think, feel, etc.--

I don't. As he says, he doesn't want to govern anyone, neither do I.

This is reaffirming to me, because I believe in my 'gut' that Rand is good--

I feel badly, though, about all those who have given up, left DP, etc.--

I didn't join DP with an end product in mind, but to find a community that understands liberty and being 'awake'--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

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Oooooo....

...that was a great read. Thank you for your well expressed truth. This is why this reader comes to the DP. Truly honorable in the way you gave the body language reading like that. Is this something you do for a living? One wonders what your job title would be.

Nevertheless, you are right, we all must go back to focusing on the target in Tampa. There is a growing concern that this divide and conquer attempt to divide the Paul family and our DP Family is not working. Lol...give it up to the power of Love.

What to do? Back to doing what many are good at. Shining the light on the truth. Lets see some great lists of crimes and those awesome videos you kids are so good at. Keep exposing the romulans crimes. Dig deep. Expose the usurpers soterobama's crimes and dig deep. Shine the light!

Ask America, do we really want another warmongering criminal in the WH that works for the banksters that profit from endless useless wars? Do we want to see the continued march towards a total loss of our freedom and liberties? Do we want to continue to be drugged and mind controlled like lemmings to slaughter by the lamest stream media propaganda in the world? Do we want to continue to kowtow to the rothchilds/rockefeller agendas as spewed out by their puppet blabbermouths like hitlery and those others in isreal?

We hear the military is weary of more war and there is a growing concern about getting into larger protracted wars. Our military is weakened and drawn down just as planed to happen at this time. We have no ground forces or money to support them. If America were attacked today, we would have no army to protect the Republic. Who will protect the people from these clowns after the crash?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOo9bjLtL3Q

So, long story short, we must be the Family and Community we are here and continue on the path of truth. Never before in the history of the world have so many been on the same page of awareness. The force is with us all. Everyone knows who profits from the crimes and wars. Everyone knows who is causing all the trouble in the world and it is NOT the American people. Everyone knows about and sees the blatant crime and corruption in these elections. Everyone knows the banksters need to be Icelanded so we can bring all our troops home, end the fed, get back to constitutional law, rebuild our infrastructure, and get along with the world again. Everybody Knows!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOo9bjLtL3Q

Lets put some energy towards all that truth and exposure instead of all the chaos and war. Get about your bad selves and Shine the Light and Love!!

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Thank you

I'm glad you enjoyed the article. Actually, I used to read body language as part of a previous profession. I'm by no means an expert, just experienced in using it in combination with other skills to put on a show; I was a mentalist.

Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.
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The Past Few Days

The past few days have reminded me of a bunch of little kids screaming and kicking, over what? The fight for Freedom and Liberty isn't over. Rand Paul is still Rand Paul supporting the Freedom movement and his Dad. The Romney endorsement doesn't mean anything, and personally he has said so. I was surprised as everyone, but it didn't mean anything to me one way or the other, as I realized what Rand was implying was, take what I am saying with a grain of salt.

I still support Rand Paul for his efforts in the movement for Liberty and Freedom and his hard work as a Senator. He is still on our side. We will go to Tampa and be an infuence on the Platform, and who knows what else will happen.

I am still going to my Oregon District Convention next Sat. to elect Delegates. I am still going to fight for Ron Paul.

It isn't over yet. So those out there whinning and crying about everything that has happenned the past few day, Get Over It!

“Lack of faith, treachery, arguments and animosity only breed malevolence. It is in the best interest of all to avoid this and tread on the path of progress.”

this is reasonable--

I'm sorry about those who have left, angry--

and I'm sorry about those who have chosen to vote for Johnson, but it is their choice, and your post is encouraging--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

If the Romney endorsement doesn't mean anything, then why

did he do it? Rand Paul just supported/endorsed a man who advocates blatantly immoral, anti-Liberty policies. We must speak up until Rand Paul disappears from the Stage. To "influence the Platform" is to fall for the bait and switch of the Statists. Lack of faith in the Power of Liberty and Truth to win without Compromise is a bad thing. Lack of faith in someone who has caved on Principle is discernment. And just before the Convention! when we need every bit of energy to focus on whatever possibility we have for a win. Bound Delegates are Unbound. President Ron Paul 2012!

I don't know why he (Rand) did it, but it was his choice--

and I can make a different choice; that is one of the principles both Ron Paul and I stand for--

I respect your right to feel 'betrayed' (maybe that's too strong of a word)--

very much; I respect that right--

the only thing that has truly 'frightened' me here on DP the past week or so is the feeling of anger which leads to being out of control/violence--

I've seen it before, and I don't like it, so I've spoken up--

but I've been downvoted a lot--

LOL!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Simple Logic Really.

Let Rand do his thing, while we do ours. Why is that so hard to understand? Do you support the bills he's pushing? Of course you do. Support the bills, not the endorsement. Except for the bills he's pushing, he doesn't matter. We press on, doing what we must, remaining uncompromisable. If it results in getting his bills passed, then great! If not, what does he matter?

Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.
-Sun Tzu, The Art of War

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let Rand govern himself--yes . . .

.

I am grateful I can govern myself.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Second that! Logic is in very short supply here...

if the knee-jerk Rand apologists would think logically about his decision to endorse Romney...but then they are Romney zombies so I am wasting my breath.

Knee-jerk?

Lol. Clearly you misunderstand. I do not support Romney by any stretch of the imagination. All I am saying is let Rand do his thing, which means doing what he feels he has to to gain support for the bills he's pushing, while we do ours. How is this illogical or knee-jerk? Obviously you forgot the point of my post to not make rash decisions based on emotions.

Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.
-Sun Tzu, The Art of War

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I can't stop Rand doing his thing...but I can vociferously

protest it. And my decision about Rand's actions aren't rash or based on emotion (even though I feel many right now). They are based on history and 40 years of political activity.

Maybe you misunderstood me. But at least we agree about Romney.

this isn't my discussion here, so I apologize for . . .

butting in. Yes, you are free to protest what Rand has done, of course.

I choose not to.

I dislike Romney even more heartily now than I did before, which I didn't think was possible, and I will never vote for him.

IF one of the Pauls ends up as his VP choice, though I have no conviction that Romney has 'won', even if the PTB WANT him to be the nominee--

I won't vote for him even then; it will be up to 'chance' what happens at that point; I will never vote for Mitt Romney--

but I can let Rand make the choice he's made--

I was working in Republican campaigns in the 70s and got so disgusted I became an independent in another state I lived in for 20 years after that--

came back to the original state and discovered the Republican registration was still valid--

got a mailing from Romney, and I swore as I tore it to pieces and put it in the trash--

:)

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

No need to apologize, I feel your pain. Too many years of

political disappointments and now this. Well, I will not give up or give in and I will not compromise or concede. And I guess you won't either.

And lol, I changed my registration from Independent to Republican just to vote for Ron in the primary - which I proudly did. Thought of changing it back but then I received a mailing from Romney. I promptly wrote "Ron Paul 2012" on it and mailed it back. And I will continue to do that!

I think we need to take a deep breath

Like most RP supporters, I was not pleased with Rand's announcement. It came as an unwelcome surprise while trying to duke it out at the Indiana Republican State Convention. However, after watching the Youtube of Rand's announcement on Hannity several times I must conclude you have some valid points and I'm inclined to share them, as well as Jack Hunter's assessments. I have no interest personally in supporting Romney, but faced with the fact that our political system is a huge game of "King of the Hill" with one party having two faces sitting on top, I'm not sure Rand had much choice if he wanted to remain relevent---and subsequently the keeping the Liberty movement relevent. Until the faux Left-Right paradign is shattered and the monopolitical establishment operating within two parties is destroyed by having multiple major parties available to allow everyone a real choice, this may well be one of those political compromises we have to make. I say, take a deep breath and watch Rand's voting record from here on out and let his actions speak for him. Just my opinion.

Rand didn't have a choice? What is he, two years old?

He had a choice and he made it. He made the wrong choice, but he made it of his own free will. So stop apologizing for him, and stop making excuses for him. That means you are defensive about what he did...and rightly so IMO.

Face the truth and move on.

Your comment is illogical...did Ron Paul become

irrelevant because he refused to endorse John McManiac? No! He became even more popular! When you compromise with evil, you become evil. And no amount of excuses or tortured explanations will change that.

Rand compromised with evil and he deserves the backlash he is getting. Period.

The Liberty Movement is In-Process of Being Co-opted

Rand Paul is certainly his own man and can make any choice or decision that he desires. That does not, however, negate his being held accountable for those choices.

The salient reason that Rand Paul's embracing of the Globalist-Collectivist Republican-wing of 'The Party', is that Rand Paul has been positioned tighter than a tick on a hound with the liberty movement and particularly with the Campaign for Liberty organization.

I am not surprised to see the near mindless move by so many purported 'liberty advocates', to accept his bullcrap rationalization & justification for willingly joining forces with the establishment, but I am saddened that so many are willingly turning a blind-eye when 'one of ours' was the one who did what would be termed unthinkable had someone else done so.

The Paul name seems to be akin to a religion to many and to call such an action as it is, well, that has been handled as some sort of blasphemy by the faithful.

The battle for liberty lives on, but if one is true to the principles, then Rand (and likely Ron) will have to be left behind because Rand (for certain) is now tainted and not to be trusted. Yes, he may do some good things in the Senate, but his complicity with the globalist-collectivist party cannot be ignored or forgotten.

His liberty-virginity has been willing given up and once gone, it cannot be regained.

Factually, this movement is teetering on the edge and is in deadly danger of devolving into a bunch of disaffected and disgruntled people who will at some point be herded by the Paul-faction of the establishment to grudgingly hold their noses and adopt the 'Paradigm of the Lesser Turd', to whatever degree.

Don't think so; just read the comments in all the threads about Rand Paul endorsing Romney and see how many are 'holding their noses', or willingly adopting his action.

It is naught but a variant of the Ol' "well, our turd has issues, but he is better than the other turd, so what choice do we have but to support him"?

It only goes downhill from there. Once principle is abandoned, it is merely a matter of time.

It is what it is.

Embraced the Globalist-Collectivist-Rep wing?

What evidence do you have? This endorsement?

Let's slow down a bit.

Let's look at his voting record!! Is that too much to ask? Judge him by his votes (his works)!

Endorsements are meaningless. Apparently they are just words, and nothing more.

Now actually campaigning for Romney I think would be crossing the line. That would make me feel dirty, like I'm lying. That's a good question for Rand. "If yo don't support the vast majority of what Romney stands for, how would it make you feel to campaign for him to try to get him votes?"

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

If endorsements were meaningless,

then why did Rand Paul make this endorsement, just when we are about to go to Tampa and do everything we can to get Ron Paul the nomination? "What evidence do you have?" What evidence do you need to know the sky exists and the sun is coming up in the morning and Hannity has a big unconscious devil grin on his face? We were a coherent force about to go into Tampa to do everything we can to get Rand Paul's father nominated as President, and then Rand Paul puts his foot out and trips the Movement. "Just words?" The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and President Ron Paul 2012! are "just words". Lets look at Rand Paul's record: he just endorsed Romney. Lets look at Ron Paul's record. He has not endorsed Romney. Lets forget Rand altogether and do everything we can to get Ron Paul the nomination.

As long as he

As long as he pushes bills I support, I will continue to support those bills. He says himself that he is part of the Liberty Movement. As long as he is pushing bills to audit the fed, legalize hemp, abolish the TSA, etc, I have no reason to think otherwise. This move might have been the necessary "just politics" move for getting support for these bills. Just as a reminder, out of the hundreds of bills his father has sponsored, how many of them had any support? Do you not support liberty bills just because he "made a deal with the devil?" Well that's just stupid.

Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.
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Some of You People need to Learn to read and Evaluate, Seriously

Any liberty-related bill that is sponsored, backed or supported earns support, regardless of who sponsors, backs or supports it.

Do you see a difference in supporting 'a bill/legislation' vs blanket support of 'a man'? I know it is a toughie to puzzle out, but giver her a shot, k?

That said, the endless mantra and dogma of 'necessary' (puke) 'just politics' is exactly the methodology that co-opts and corrupts liberty ethic, philosophy and principle. Don't take my word, please, study on it a bit yourself.

You guys can attempt to rationalize and justify all day long, but when all is said and done, when one endorses a globalist-collectivist neocon, one has signed on to what they advocate and what they do, tacitly or unabashedly. Sorry guys, you cannot escape this simple truth.

What is an endorsement? It is the act of 'backing' or the act of pledging or committing support to a program, proposal, or candidate.

What does the Republican Party/Republican Establishment support...Endless wars, deficit spending, unconstitutional social programs, undeclared/unconstitutional police actions, unconstitutional foreign aid, police-state suppression of liberty both foreign and domestic, Patriot Act, NDAA, neoconservatism, crony-capitalism, a predatory central government, the international banking-cabal and on...and on...and on...

Rand Paul just willfully 'endorsed' Romney and the establishment.

You can dress up a pig in a snazzy skirt, sexy high-heels, a nice blonde wig, a sexy halter-top, lipstick, rouge and perfume, fishnet stockings, then you can have carnal relations with it, just as Rand is dressing up and having relations with the Republican-establishment, but when all is said and done, it is still a pig that you just humped.

Perhaps you will have some slack-jawed and blindly loyal friends though, who will believe your bald-faced bullcrap when you tell them it is a beautiful woman you just got laid by, not a pig.

You know what?

You're right. 100%. I don't disagree with you. My only point was he's still pushing liberty bills and has to do the endorsement in order to get them anywhere. The Tea Party fell because they all started down the same road. We as a whole should never do it, since as you said it's exactly this methodology that corrupts liberty.

That said, however, the establishment is still in place. While we work to get the establishment out, a few will opt to work from inside the establishment. The establishment gets things done by cutting deals, and I personally consider it necessary to the success of our movement to have someone in Rand's position doing what Rand is doing.

Does that mean get behind his endorsement? Hell no. Absolutely not. But let him do his thing while we do ours. This fight about whether or not he's a traitor is bullshit.

Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.
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Fair Enough

Your points are well taken and we can agree to disagree on certain aspects. For me, I refuse to accede, give ground, offer support for or endorse any establishment person.

As I said, I can support actions, legislation, bills, ect, that are advanced by anyone, as long as they adhere to the principles that I hold to.

Outside of that, support or agreement with the joining/endorsement of the establishment isn't gonna happen with me.

That said, I appreciate you addressing the issue, rather than the messenger.

Thanks,
El-Tee

And Thank You

As I said, we don't get behind his endorsement. I never will support any establishment candidate, though I do cheer for the ones that opt to work for us on the inside, not without understanding that this rarely works for long.

As Rand continues to push liberty bills and cutting deals to gain support, we will continue as Ron has; uncompromisable, goal oriented and strategic. We've got a very hard battle in our hands now, with many different layers, victories and losses to deal with. We win by moving forward, leaving to their own efforts those who wish to and have the ability to do things differently.

Regardless of what has been said, we have no idea what will actually go down at Tampa. We have no idea the actual amount of stealth delegates, or Romney delegates that have secretly had a change of heart. I know personally a few Romney delegates who have stated that they will change their vote to Ron Paul come Tampa, if they feel he has a chance of winning. That is inspiring, and gives me a certain hope that we can still win this. The fat lady hasn't sung yet.

So our marching orders remain the same, "Onward to Tampa, and bring as many as you can!"

Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.
-Sun Tzu, The Art of War

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Thanks

for your unimportant vacuous 1-day troll "opinion".

If its being co-opted by anyone, it's by you and your troll buddies who have come here to destroy the movement. And you've been pretty active about it for being here just one whole day.

Mods, ban this troll.

You Are Welcome, BigT

Yep, we all post opinions, just as is your post about me and my opinions. Funny how that works, eh?

I owe you no explanation as to why I started posting here. Got it?

I post what and where I choose and unlike many on here, I call things as they are. I am not a kid that lives in mommy's basement, or who still pics pimples and plays video games. I am a grown man, committed to the principles of liberty and I am one of the rare-breed who does not waver on those principles, nor do I make lame excuses for those who do, particularly when that person is 'one of ours'.

What a concept, huh?

I am prior service, Army and a career Peace Officer (and I do mean Peace Officer). I am a promoted command-level officer and have been for over 10 years. My 'opinions' are more akin to 'assessments' and they are studied, carefully weighed AND backed by maturity and experience.

Yep, I have been active since I joined and if you were not such a slack-jawed sycophant, you would be able to step back and assess what has actually been said, rather than puffing up in righteous indignation because someone has the temerity to speak directly and critically about someone who you seem to have an emotional attachment to.

Do contrary and critical assessments equate to one being a 'troll' in BigT-land? Must be a real squirrely place to live.

As an aside, I take specific note that you cry out to the 'powers that be' or the 'governing authority' of the forum, wanting something/someone you do not like to be 'banned'. Well, gee whiz, how very 'Republican' of you and how very illustrative of an underlying collectivist-mindset that displays.

A bit o' self-reflection on what ethic it is that drives you seems to be in order, ol' BigT.

Now, on to the issue of co-option. Are you aware of how the Tea Party became co-opted? can you take a step back and equate certain methodology to what seems to be developing within this movement? Can you take a big picture view and make a simple assessment? You know, forest and trees....Oh, wait, you do not believe there is such a thing as 'a forest', since when you look around you, your eyes tell you that the truth of is that there are only a bunch of trees there.

And so it goes...

El-Tee

You're ignorant

and an enemy of freedom, "Slick".
I have more experience and understanding about this movement than you will ever know. I was fighting in this movement with Ron Paul when he started, before you ever born.

You don't advance freedom by destroying the efforts of Ron and Rand Paul at this crucial time. Yes, and it's not Rand, but you and the rest of the emo-laden non-thinking suckers who did the damage.
You showed up during the troll wave, and you ARE one of them. You have proved it beyond the shadow of any doubt, because virtually every comment you have made here was an attack against the Pauls.

Funny you mention the Tea Party. I'll bet you worked to destroy that one too. "Prior" service, likely in the PsyOps intelligence agencies, and still working for them.
And that "mommy's basement" comment is SO typical of the average arrogant neocon troll that shows up here to disrupt. It's been seen dozens of times here before from trolls, and so commonly that it's an indicator. You give yourself away.

If you ever were interested in the liberty movement, you wouln't be only here for just one day, buddy. Right during the troll attack, and bolstering it actively.
You ain't fooling anybody.
You're the enemy.

Oh My!

BigT is angry, but here is some more of what you see as 'ignorance', just for you, BigT.

Whoopty-doo...You lash out, yet ignore and dodge the salient issue, that being, what Rand Paul did and the bottom-line of that action.

What an absolute surprise.

On top of that, Ol' BigT sprinkles in some gratuitous inference about 'psy-ops' and destroying the 'efforts' of the Pauls to attempt to bolster his slash and burn effort.

The efforts of the Pauls can stand on their own and they speak for themselves, good and bad, historical and contemporaneous.

Funny how frothy-at-the-mouth some people get over a stalwart man simply stepping up and calling things the way he sees them and boiling the 'issue' down to its lowest common denominator.

The sycophant (that is YOU BigT) goes direct for the messenger so as to destroy the underlying message. The sycophant and the 'fervent-faithful' (that is you also, BigT) doesn't think or assess for himself, but blindly hangs on to an ideal that in Rand Paul's case, has been tainted.

I am still waiting to hear from Dr. Paul before making a final assessment on his complicity or non-complicity in making a deal with the establishment.

Now, back to the co-opting issue...

In BigT's eyes, 'the enemy' and the co-opter is the guy who is standing up and advocating for rock solid, no-compromize liberty principle, rather than Rand-esque compromise.

The co-opter and 'the enemy' is someone who posted blunt assessment of what 'Rand did' and who sees what 'Rand did' as being damaging and wrong.

The co-opter and 'the enemy', according to BigT, is the man who warns about compromise and willfully joining with the Republican-establishment.

BigT feels that since I am new on this forum that I am an insidious force (the enemy) and that I must have had no involvement in the liberty movement, indicating that BigT's world revolves around the Daily Paul and he does not understand that there are older and different liberty organizations and movements out there than Ron Paul's candidacy and the youngsters involved in this go around.

Psst, BigT, the liberty movement was not born when Dr. Paul was born. It was not birthed when he ran for POTUS in 1988, although I first supported him then. It was not birthed in 2008 or during this go-around. There are many fronts in the battle for liberty, for the Constitution and for a restoration of the Republic.

I am active in a number of them.

You embarrass yourself with your commentary, IMO. You really should get our more and broaden your horizons. Maybe if you do, you'll gain some knowledge and assessment ability.

Of course, one must have the principle to actually live and walk the walk, rather than to only tie your big-mouth, your dollars, some sign-waving and some self-righteous forum posting, to a particular man and then to subsequently believe that you have become a liberty-warrior in the cause.

This fight goes on, but with the little I have seen of your posted beliefs, methinks you would be better off following Rand to the Republican-establishment because your compromise and excuse-making mentality is damaging to the effort for restore the Republic.

Just so you know.

Gee, that was a nice straw man you set up there.

If you have a problem with the Pauls, maybe you should try another site that isn't about them.

I've been around enough to see that this RP campaign is the closest that we've seen to winning in all of our lifetimes.
I'm not about to tear it down before it is completed, as you seem intent to do.

What's your "alternative that's so pure"?
Is it about to win? Or is it a figment of you active imagination?
Let me guess. You're with the LP, and you're here to try to swerve people over to Johnson?