Rand is playing a different game. Time to put the Rand subject to bed...
Submitted by TheArtofRevolution on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:11Paco said it best. Not even Ron Paul could stop us if he wanted to. The fire he started has turned into a raging inferno that will not be quenched until it has consumed every last inch of this land. We've fought too hard, and for many of us, too long. The media doesn't know what to do with us. Nobody seems to understand that we're not just Ron Paul supporters, we're revolutionaries, patriots hell bent on the total defeat of our tyrannical opposition. So when Rand Paul does the unthinkable and vows to support a sworn enemy, we're rightly livid and voicing our willingness to drop even the Paul family if it means advancing our cause of liberty. But for all the emotion it stirs, for all the anger that boils over in the hearts of the committed, we must remember that in a political war such as ours, with the stakes as high as they are, emotions will fly all over the place. Every move, no matter how strategic and calculated, runs the risk of striking our hearts as a betrayal if it is anything but a full out "charge." Thus it is imperative to set emotion aside and look at the broader picture, dealing with what facts we possess.
While I can't claim to have a definitive answer for everything coming from the official campaign, I can offer a bit of strategic advice and use my skills background to safely assume a few things. A little later on in this article this author will publish my analysis of Rand Paul's body language during his endorsement announcement as others have already done. But for now I wish to assure you of a few things I am fairly confident in. First, there is talk of his family having been threatened and while there is a real possibility of this, there is no evidence in my findings of this being the reason for Rand Paul's untimely endorsement. Also, even if it is true that Rand sold us out, it doesn't make one lick of difference to us, we will march on with or without him! The only reason I am addressing any of this is to argue against Alex Jones' recent rants and to encourage those who are considering dropping the Paul family to stray very far away from rash decisions based on a whole lot of emotion and a monstrous lack of fact.
I am absolutely convinced that Rand Paul did not sell us out for reasons you will see below, and is looking at the long term goal of our movement, as his father likely is. Which do you think is more important to the good doctor; winning the presidency or saving the country? Like any old man, Dr. Paul is very much aware that his days are numbered and will only be able to do so much in what limited days he has left. Does this mean he doesn't want to win? Of course not. But what happens after Dr. Paul if there's no one in political power to fill his void? Do we want to set the establishment back a few steps, or completely derail their efforts? Think about what our long term goal is and open your mind to what Rand's endorsement has done for us. He has set in stone the legitimacy of our platform for years to come. Jack Hunter already did a good job of explaining how that works so I won't repeat it here.
I can here you now, "Okay Josiah, I can see how an endorsement of the GOP nominee secures our platform, but Romney isn't yet the nominee, so why such bad timing?" The answer is quite simple. Dr. Paul's concession email came out just prior to his very powerful Texas speech, which was followed by Rand's endorsement. If Rand continued to wait, the powers that be would grow increasingly weary of Rand, thereby weakening the political position he has worked so hard to gain. You must do it at a time when they are most willing to accept you, or risk being forever shut out. The time that they would be open to it? Well Sean Hannity made that pretty clear; right after Ron Paul's concession! It's important to understand that our fight isn't a one dimensional battle; it is a multilayer takeover of every aspect of the governmental arena. Someone had to get their hands dirty, better it Rand than his father or any one of us. One more piece of advice and then onto the much anticipated analysis: Continue our roles, continue our immediate battle layed before us and make sure we win in Tampa! Let them think they've won for now, they've already lost the war.
The following is my analysis written on Saturday, June 9th:
When Rand says "You know uh, my father had always been my first choice" He leans forward and does a double head nod as he says "always" his shoulders move out and you catch a glimpse of hand gestures moving forward. This is indicated of an emphasis on a point. His body language is clearly placing an emphasis on the word "always". This is telling of sincerity and of commitment to his statement.
Again he leans forward and then moves his up and to his right as if he's subconsciously drawing a check-mark to emphasize "Still my first pick," suggesting consistency in thought of the statement above. It's as if he noticed his feelings for his father should be strongly reiterated and then makes a mental check-mark. If this statement was untrue, you would expect here that his shoulders would have gestured backwards with the check mark or his head slightly shake "no" in disagreement or other gestures not seen here, but as you can see this is not the case. In fact, it suggests that if the next statement was contrary to his now self-assured clearly stated position on his father, it would be met with regret.
Notice also that when he talks about his father, his shoulders do a lot of gesturing that would flow well with open hand gestures, which would suggest an open dialogue. Also, this type of body language is consistent with videos of him speak on things we have no reason to doubt him on. Nothing to be indicating deceit or dishonesty here. Also, if you freeze frame it when mentioning his father or recalling campaigning for him, you see the sides of his eyes flex and his cheeks slightly raise in what's called a micro-expression of what appears to be a smile. It makes him happy to recall this information. On the announcement of his endorsement, there is a micro-expression, but it's the polar opposite of what we see here.
When he mentions the words "I am happy to..." he bows down a bit and slightly slumps his shoulders when he comes back up. This is telling of a loss of confidence in his statement. Also his movement here becomes and remains for an unnatural amount of time very ridged and much less animated than in other clips. His face also becomes almost forced blankness, a poker face. Then, when naming Romney, he again nods his head and this can be taken either as an acknowledgement of his name or again a reiterate of the lack of confidence. Either way the most important feature to note is a micro-expression of a stiff lip and lowered cheek and lowered chin. This is a frown, suggesting that the thought of Romney brought unpleasant feelings, though his quick recovery to blank face says that he is trying to hide this fact.
Another important tidbit to pay attention to is his self-assured gestures he gives when speaking about his own family values, which include head nods and emphasis points as seen above. However in many cases when he ties them to Romney you see a slight shrug, a "no" type head shake and even a gesture backwards with his head. These differences point to an inconsistency of feeling with the statement and point to dishonesty. Also you notice very subtle shifts of posture indicating a certain uneasiness. While not an overly animated speaker, Rand is distinctly animated in other examples I have looked at, and this is totally lacking when he speaks favorably of Romney. Throughout the duration of the clip, you
see his animation come through when the particular subject matter is not Romney specific but is issue specific. When it goes back to Romney, his shoulders stop moving, his head movements become less pronounced, and his movements more ridged than in other statements. The fact that his overall rigidness is often held out a bit too long is indicative of something to hide.
No indications of "help me, I'm in trouble" are present in any of my observations. In fact much of his speech is met with an overall lack of emotive indication, suggesting his decisions is devoid of emotion, and there is an overall sense of calculation. If he this was the result of a threat, one would expect that during his open dialogue about his family, an expression of worry or an attempt to hide something would be present. His attempts to hide are on the subject of Romney, never on the subject of his family. Being a response to a threat is not a vibe I get from this reading, but one of a calculated hidden strategy most definitely is. It is clear to me that his endorsement, while not sincere, is seen to him as necessary and there's a genuine display of positive emotion when speaking of his family and particularly his father, indicative that he does not feel he is in any way betraying his father or his values.
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Just curious, Face, is it not elitist
to refer to an entire website participatory to call them-Idiots? I take it you have no problem there.
Lt496 insulted quite a few here whom I happen to revere. My point, perhaps too disguised for you was simply: If you have a point, argue it. To start an argument out with "Idiot"- well, you've lost your audience and deservedly so.
I don't wish to discourage Lt496, but if he's to be taken seriously, he needs to learn the art of persuasion. No one will ever be persuaded by being called an Idiot first. I thought that was common knowledge. Persuade me I'm wrong.
"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina
Idiots, Really?
I just went back and opened each of the original posts I made here on DP (not replies to specific members who came at me). Funny, I didn't find an example anywhere where I called anyone an 'idiot'.
Perhaps you can point it out to me, because admittedly, I am not up on navigating this forum format and it is a bit confusing, so I may have missed it.
My original posts were about actions taken and principles held, not DP members.
I did make a generic reference to those who embrace neocons and establishment types, as 'numbnuts' and I did refer to a category of apologists who critiqued my assessments, as 'slack-jawed'.
This however, was done in reply and in the spirit of driving home a point. As to being persuasive, I don;t much care any longer about that. I have battled against this type of forum apologist antagonism for over a decade and I am no longer interested in holding a spoon up to anyones lips trying to get them to nibble. I call things as I see them and am fully prepared in style, knowledge and substance to bolster and support my positions and assessments and to challenge those that are apologist or 'lesser turd' in nature.
I have a thick skin, but little to no tolerance. This ain't my first rodeo and this forum is nothing like the crucible that I previously thrived in.
Certainly I can be banned by the mods on their own decision, or after some cry-baby member asks the mods to 'ban the troll' which has already happened, or I may leave if this place proves uninteresting, or I may stay and engage.
Opinions of members will have zero influence on my choices though.
Rand is NOT Playing a Different Game
Gotta say, boys, that this increasingly frenetic defense of Rand Paul and his clear action, well, it is beyond pathetic. There is an old saying that 'it is what it is'. That applies perfectly here.
One either supports and advocates liberty, or one does not. One either stands firm and uncorruptible on liberty ethic and philosophy, or one does not. Standing for liberty is akin (analogously) to being pregnant...one either is or one is not.
Face it, Rand Paul willingly and knowingly embraced Mitt Romney. Romney is a provable neocon-collectivist who has not only advocated for anti-constitution governance, but he has actually enacted it in a number of cases. He clearly states that he plans more anti-constitution government actions.
Do you people need hit upside the nugget with a 2x4 to have this sink in?
Rand Paul has thrown his support behind globalist-collectivist government. One cannot escape that dirt-simple fact. By doing so, Rand Paul has signed on to the Romney platform, the Romney plan and the results of them.
One either supports and stands for liberty and the Constitution, or one does not. Do not attempt to rationalize and justify what is clear and out front. It is what it is.
Bending, compromising, rationalizing and/or supporting Rand despite his recent endorsement and offering him continued support is no different than what he did with Romney. You people are in the beginning stages of participating in and allowing the Liberty Movement to be co-opted, just as the Tea Party has been co-opted.
Actions vs Words. Principle vs Party. Liberty vs Tyranny.
What I see are a bunch of hopeful, confused herd-beasts who I formerly believed to be independent thinkers and solid-fighters for liberty and for the Constitution.
A person is either one or the other and the picture that is shaping up is not a good one.
Sad.
It is tiresome as most of us try to move
strongly and positively forward, you and others insist on trying to keep us mired in fussing about Rand. How many times do you need it pointed out that Rand is not a libertarian. So he has said himself on more than one occasion.
Among Conservative Republicans, Rand sometimes takes excellent positions and is someone who may be worked with in Congress on some policies. But our own people as delegates and candidates for many offices are those we must focus on. That is what is important on this forum. Not any Republican who supports Romney. Please give it a rest and do something constructive.
And Here I thought this Thread/Topic was About What Rand Did...
...Therefore, comments on, well, what Rand did were topical and appropriate.
Crazy ol' El-Tee
I agree with the substance of your reply, however, I just cannot seem to turn and walk away from the thread or topic when there are still people sipping the kool-aid and defending the indefensible.
I have no issue with your position and mine is much the same, with the exception that due to the kool-aid sippers and the defenders of the indefensible who seem to be legion, this has danger of being the beginnings of a co-opt.
Once principle is compromised and that compromise is excused because it was 'one of ours', then that segment of the movement is in the infancy of becoming the very thing being fought against, in my assessment.
Analogously, moving the liberty-bus forward with 'tainted fuel' is a real possibility, but then, I always have been the kind of guy who boils things down to their bottom-line. Makes me a real popular guy on forums like this. ;)
That is the reason I am countering those who are attempting to pass the sippy-cup o' kool-aid around.
I expect many will not like it, but I never was one to let some dufe piss in my cereal and get away with telling me it was milk.
Is really is as simple as that.
they are trying to squeeze a drop of tyranny out of the good dr.
probably isolating him right now from the people to have him sacrific just a bit of principle to advance the Paul name "against the establishment". The media is flexing its muscle so why cant we do the same? It's time to take over the media. I dont know how but if we want our new world to work for liberty we have to find a way.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild
"give me control of my own permaculture and I care a lot about what makes law"
-Permaculture Republican
There is more to it.
This issue goes beyond just what Rand did. A lot of other issues, up till now suppressed, have come out into the open. The picture that has emerged show an image of Ron surrounded by a group that isolate him and are trying to remould him. This was all new to me but I have now heard it from several sources. So the idea may not be without merit. It is certainly worrying. I don't think that the concern is just 'emotional' by which I think the writer mean irrational. There could be a real problem here. Certainly this is no time to panic. But it is time to investigate and resolve any underlying issues which is corrupting the movement from within.
PR
So
how and when did his message change and how was he remoulded? I think he is surrounded by neophytes that did what was best for them after a while. We as grassroots supports spread the message for free. Ron Paul was never running to win (imho), he was running to get to the next stage of acceptance of his (and our) ideas. Kokesh is killing him for not running to win and for being shelved by the campaign. Kokesh has his own methods and agenda. Alex Jones is all about himself how he KNEW, how he shoulda trusted his gut...he isn't helping by doing 180s on a daily basis.
Joe Corrao
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Indeed, this issue of Dr.
Indeed, this issue of Dr. Paul being isolated concerns me. I wondered when the campaign alienated Adam Kokesh, although Adam's image is radical, but so is the doctor! And if it was becuase Adam is a little to radical, then why alienate Tom Woods of all people?
I grew more concerned at our last meet up before the CA primary. Our liasion to the campaign relayed the message to us to stop handing out the Super Brochure! WHAT?!? The reason the campaign gave us was that some people were "offended" by the images of coffins with flags over them. We were outraged becuase the Super Brochure was, hands down, the best tool we used to win over votes.
All of us felt angry at the campaign as we believed that the American people have been to insulated from the results of the wars and that people NEEDED to see the cost in lives. So we blew off the campaign and continued to hand them out.
The fact that they asked us to do this is quite telling.
If my need to be RIGHT is greater then my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle
I strongly second Paul100's comment above, I couldn't of put it
better even if I wanted too!!
Its been
PUT!
Rand isn't...
...a figure head like his father. That's what a lot of people seem to be mistaking him for. Such allusions of grandeur don't really interest him. He's more focused on being on the front line and doing what he needs to do in order to get the job done. He's a soldier like the rest of us, except he's on the front line, so whenever he has to do something that would seem gruesome, the kind of thing that would give you the thousand yard stare, people are going to notice. It's those instances that show that while the fight for the cause is just, once you see it on television for the first time, you realize the grim reality of the situation. That's when you're supposed to realize that once this is all over you make sure it never happens again. Somebody has to go into the deep shit. Not all of us can sit at the back of the division moving supplies up to the front.
move on by
Learning and adapting. Not by pretending u did not just get stung. Otherwise u may play to close to the bee hive and get stung again. We must learn from the sting and wear protective gear when we go for the honey aka liberty. Protective gear like having true liberty soldiers by rons side like tom woods and adam kokesh.
Please, no more of these
Please, no more of these Hunter-esque apologies for Rand's flawed decision to support Mitt Romney. Regardless of Rand's motive or rationale, he acted improperly on a number of points when he publicly expressed his support for Mitt. These points have already been discussed to death. Let the dead horse lie for the buzzards to pick up the pieces. We still have more delegates to gather for the movable feast in late August. ;)
Agree and Second
Rand has picked his bed, now he must lie in it. This is only the tip of the ice-berg, however, where Rand's concerned. Now it's his problem, not ours. Time is of the essence, it's time to move on without Rand.
"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina
I agree, that was
the point of this article. It's not an apology for Rand's actions. I was stung by it. I wrote it to say that based on the facts we have, we know he has a hidden motive for doing this, and clearly expresses positive emotion for his father. Nothing more can be said without it being speculation, even if it was from my own mouth. So it's time we STFU about him and stick to the strategy we have as so called "Paulbots."
Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.
-Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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He acted improperly?
He acted improperly?
Rand is playing a different game.....has Ron Paul been playing
a game? No. This is no game at all. I read your post, and I agree that Rand is playing some kind of game. The Ron Paul Campaign began and has been driven exclusively by grassroots support. Ron Paul doesn't play games with his grassroots supporters, and neither should Rand. That support is held together only by mutual trust, respect, and open communication. If these disappear or are treated casually as if they will always be there, that support will quickly evaporate.
on point another good writeup on this
by mike adams
http://www.naturalnews.com/036122_Rand_Paul_Mitt_Romney_endo...
i do believe something was discussed in chantilly , virginia , el diablo bilderberg
"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL
One from columb A - One from columb B (a test of methods?)
Will it all come out in the wash?
Is the establishment GOP/RNC washed up?
We are in the Benton approved Reince cycle.
But, Abandoning rule 11 leaves an indelible stain.
BTW, Why did Rand do the False narrative about how the Goldman Sachs candidate is with the Paul's on Auditing The FED?
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Thank you
FRONT PAGE!
Amen
We have no idea as to what transpired to cause Rand Paul to endorse Romney. We have no idea as to what will transpire from here with respect to Ron Paul. Everyone and his brother has weighed in. I'm sorry, but I skipped from the title of your post to here: time to put the subject to bed.
I Don't Agree With The Tactics, But They are Brilliant
I read the following plan on a blog somewhere...
Rand becomes VP.
He exposes Romney and Romney is forced to resign.
Rand becomes President and selects his Dad as VP.
Rand resigns.
Ron becomes president and picks Napolitano as VP.
For re-election, it becomes Ron and Rand - they win.
When the term is up, Rand becomes President for eight more years.
Rand goes on TV and says, "Oh, ye of little faith..."
Gene Louis
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lol... sounds like wishful thinking... the media's illusion
of an easy path.
You think that Obama and Romney arent backed by the same deep pockets?
You think Romney would be forced to resign really? how? with what media attention?
This is an absurd theory that will do more to pacify this movement than heal the wounds Rand has opened.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild
"give me control of my own permaculture and I care a lot about what makes law"
-Permaculture Republican
Magical Thinking
More like
Rand becomes VP
Romney wins the elction (thanks to liberty movement)
Romney dumps Rand
Romney continues NWO agenda
Remember, VP is President of the Senate...
Imagine Rand as the president of the senate. Think about it for a second. He could gavel closed all business until a budget was passed as the constitution requires. He could block all unconstitutional legislation. He could subpoena any appointee, from czar to judge to diplomat.
That's HUGE.
And, of course, the VP is usually the next nominee for POTUS...
My twist on that
Ron meets with Bernanke. Bernanke confesses to Ron how bad things really are and tells him he's the only President that can save us.
Bernanke tells the Bildebergs and they bring Romney in and tell him to meet with Rand.
Rand endorses Romney.
Rand becomes VP and same as above.
LMAO we can dream, can't we?
LMAO
we can dream, can't we?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFxvy9XyUtg
Rand thinks..
He can get in bed with the devil so he can push him out of bed.. Personally, I think this will fail. You show any independence from them if you do get into office and they'll take you out like the did JFK and his brother.
I don't see it as getting into bed.
I see it as a strategic withdrawal from a skirmish he was bound to lose, in favor of higher ground, and more defensable position.