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Ron steers ship straight in to 3rd party hurricane after putting son safely on shore.

After much thought this is the only thing that feels right. If Ron is planning on announcing his run as a 3rd party candidate how massively cunning it would be to announce such a move as the featured speaker at the RNC in Tampa. Fearing this could totally destroy his son's career knowing they will mercelesly attack on all fronts he advises Rand to announce his support for Romney efectively putting full power to Rands forward shields. Then he can move forward with a full blown no holds barred campaign once his son is safely on shore.

Obviously I don't know but of all the desparaging theories being tossed around i've heard no one raise this one that hails Ron and gives him the credit he's due. Ron is no traitor and is not a suck up nor a fool. This could be his last stand and he is a true patriot preparing his affects and putting his house in order for the final battle. A warrior for liberty in the truest sense of the word.

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,,then YOU go start a new

,,then YOU go start a new National party because none of the other ones in existence do what they are supposed to do, and have the correct ideals in every way. One with no divisive issues or rampant religion or anarchistic hogwash, and maybe in 4 years we could run Justin Amash or someone..

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No new party is needed.

Just enough people who are united on the cause of Lady Liberty will do just fine.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

That's exactly what's going

That's exactly what's going on now through the delegation process. Look at all the bullshit the RP delegation is having to put up with and are still coming out ahead at various states.

Here is the signal that Rand Paul has sent to the establishment. The Liberty Movement is willing to cooperate politically without compromising on principal. In other words, nobody is bound to vote for Romney even with Rand's support. Everybody knows the Republicans have little chance at winning with Romney, and even less chance without the support of the RP people.

Rand's support puts the ball in the court of the Establishment. Meaning, when the opportunity arises in the future, they will have to offer cooperation with the Liberty Movement. Otherwise, the Liberty Movement will have no future incentive to cooperate with the Establishment.

Here's why Rand's support of Romney is the kiss of death. The Liberty Movement no longer needs the neo-con Establishment Republicans. The Liberty Movement is taking over the delegation process; they are taking over the Republican agenda. If the Establishment Republicans fail to reciprocate cooperation and support offered by Rand, they will simply be driven out. The Bill Kristols and Rick Santorums of the the Republican Party will ultimately get driven out.

The best possible scenario is winning the presidency and taking over the party (this is what the RP zealots want). The worst possible scenario is losing both presidency and the party. But, a very acceptable and positive outcome is taking over the party (this is what the RP realists will settle for). In the grand scheme of things, this is a much bigger coup. In terms of game theory, the "payoff" for taking over the party is much higher than simply winning the presidency. Sacrificing the party just for a shot at the presidency was not going to be good choice, and both Ron and Rand Paul know this.

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Partying with Lady Liberty?

All we need to do is forget the electoral college exists

and this happy fantasy becomes credible.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

Smudge Pot ...

is just doing his thing...spewing negativity....don't mind him..he's got to earn his money some how...

Irrelevant. If you win a state, your electors are chosen to

cast that state's votes for YOU as president. Party is irrelevant in this case. Look up historical elections. As late as 1968 there were people who weren't Democrats or Republicans winning electoral votes. They just didn't get enough to win the whole thing.

Perhaps you could either elaborate on your point, or do some research into how the process works.

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Go on, negative naysayers and trolls...downvote it

To your own peril.

Ron Paul could win a third party victory and it would be a LANDSLIDE.

An AVALANCHE.

Seriously.

Too many groupthink disorder victims on here running scared....just like the neocons want you to be.

Its OK....break free from the herd and don't run off the cliff.

We can do this.

CHRIS
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

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Ron Paul 2012 should listen to Ron Paul 2008...

http://youtu.be/lc-kWCxW1dg

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

Dude.... rand can't be like

Dude.... rand can't be like that because he's going to be the Republican nominee one day soon.... not a third party nominee.

This is only your fantasy


Ron Paul has said many, many, many times publically that he has no interest whatsoever in a Third Party Campaign attempt. He's made that very clear.

That is not the reason why he refused to go after Romney, and ran a insincere effort, at the height of his success & momentum, to maximize his outcome - (and unnecessarily announced that Romney was gonna win -- sabatoging the in-progress fight and battle over delegates).

The truth is that Ron Paul was putting us all on. He just wants to give nice speeches, and sell books -- but he had no real interest in being The President. At the point where he had cleared the field of the other GOP opponents of Romney's, and was himself drawing 8000 sized crowds, and he winning some key States, and beginning to make things real, real interesting................then he pulled the plug.

In his own mind, he had gotten close enough. To get any closer, might have resulted in a real, serious, GOP Convention Floor Fight for the Nomination.

But Ron Paul didn't want that.
He wanted Mitt Romney to win.

The evidence shows this to be the case: Recall that he campaigned very aggressively, and very forcefully against Rick Santorum (called him "A Fake" right on Television), Newt Gingrich, Michelle Bachmann, and Rick Perry.

But he refused to ever really go after Mitt Romney.
Why> It is, what it is. He wanted Romney to win.
And so does his son.

Ron Paul also said he'd

Ron Paul also said he'd consider going 3rd party if we had some kind of financial catastrophe.

Was 2008 a fantasy?

It can't happen


Even Ross Perot with billions of dollars, and polling at 30% (statistical tie) back in the summer of 1992 (just months before the Election) -- could not pull it off.

The System conspires against 3rd-Parties.
And with insecure, E-Voting "black-box" machines .... it just can't happen.

The corruption is too deep.

Perot didn't spend billions. And he lost because he went

all "black helicopter batshit crazy" and dropped out. He got back in a month or so before the election, but the damage had been done.

Had he remained in the race throughout, and not spouted men in black conspiracy theories, and maybe even spent a few more bucks, he would have WON the Presidency. He was that close.

His loss had nothing to do with entrenched criminals or corruption. It had to do with his own lack of perspective on just how close he was and how possible it was to win.

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Your naysaying is even "deeper."

Ross Perot was a NOTHING. He had no movement. Nothing profound about his platform

Ron Paul is the only one in American history, who could pull this off. He has a huge HUGE accumulated store of grassroots capital. Now all he has to do is raise the money...which the grassroots would explode in so doing.

If you give in and give up and say the corruption is "too deep" then careful...lest you become part of the problem.

I REPEAT (Ex neocon here BTW...voted for McCain last election): RON PAUL is the only candidate in modern American history...who could WIN (and with a landslide) a 3rd party election.

The only one. But it can be done.

~Chris
Norfolk, Va

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

not to mention

he's already done better than Perot with next to nil media coverage and a whole lot less expenditure. But its still something for after Tampa which we are close to winning or they wouldn't be pulling out all the stops in a panic right now.

How do you beat DIEBOLD, E-VOTING machines?


The counting of votes is controlled in this Country.

Look at the Primary results (Ron Paul cheated).
Look at the 2000 Election (Florida).
Look at the 2004 Election (Ohio )

Even if Ron Paul could be persuaded against his will to run, you have to ask:

1. Would he be allowed in the TV Debates? (The Two-Parties control this, and not the League of Woman Voters anymore)
2. Could he run a 50-State Campaign in 3-months, if he couldn't run a 50-State Campaign in the Primaries?
3. Even if he got in the Debates, would he squander the opportunity and "softball" his approach again with Mitt Romney?
4. In just 2-3 months, where's all the money going to come from?
5. Even if he polled at 35% and was competitive, how do you defeat the corruptible DIEBOLD, ES&S, iVotematics E-Voting machines, and Central Tabulation Systems??

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Sorry to be negative, but I've never seen the honest candidates ever be allowed to win (Robert Kennedy, Ross Perot, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Gary Johnson).


I get what you're saying...but...

But remember....to do nothing is to give up and give in.

How does anyone accomplish anything? By realizing that WE THE PEOPLE merely have to decide not to "take it" anymore. Why do you think Dr. Paul is our "poster boy" for Liberty? It's because he speaks for us...and he ignites us...and has shown us just how many of US there actually are!

Back in 2006 I thought my BF was alone in even knowing who Dr. Paul was..I'd see him hang up homemade signs and I'd grudgingly go assist him...then I began to see what it was that got him so committed to hanging those signs...then I found the Daily Paul and was in total shock at how many folks were online here....then the first moneybomb Trevor got going...to see ALL of us and what we could MAKE HAPPEN in such a short time....the marches, the moneybombs, the Email bombs, the turn out for rallies...how it DIDN'T STOP when President Obama won...and NOW....LOOK AT US NOW!!!!! If we were petty insignificant creatures the GOP establishment wouldn't even be mildly concerned with us...but they ARE...they are doing everything possible to break us...which should let you know just how huge we've gotten.

AND WE ARE STILL GROWING.....

So we CAN do tons of things...if we all decide that is what we want to do. Whether it be take over the current GOP...thrust someone into a spot to be a contender in November...or whatever. Do NOT be fooled into thinking you have less power than you actually do. It all depends on how much you are willing to take...and how long it takes you to get to the point where you have nothing left to lose.

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How does anybody beat anything with your cowering attitude?

Sure its difficult...if not impossible.

We fight it legally...and with other methods like the Founders did.

But what do we have to lose??

Glad you apologized for the negativity. You should be ashamed of it.

Never, never, NEVER give up.

Man up. Woman up. And rise to the occasion.

Why should these MF'rs...define our future.

WE ARE THE FUTURE...whether they like it or not.

RON PAUL 2012.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Thanks Chris!

I love your positive outlook here, and I agree. Ross Perot was no Ron Paul by a longshot! Ron Paul could pull it off:)

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

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Hell yes he could!

Nice to meet you, Jackie.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Very nice to meet you as well,

I love reading your comments, they always inspire me. It's so important to stay hopefull. Without hope we really have nothing.. so thanks for all the encouragement. There are many here who need it:)

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

Remember Doug Wead's response...

to how pissed RP supporters were at Benton's statement? ... 'There are things going on in the campaign that aren't available for public consumption. Maybe they will come to light in 10 or 20 years'.

I tend to think the Paul camp was strong-armed by TPTB to throw in towel when it came to continuing to pursue the nomination. I'd love to believe the latest statements from the campaign are part of some grand strategy but I seriously doubt it.

Personally, if Ron was threatened, he should have announced it

to the world. He'd have tons of believers and supporters - even more than he has already, even more fervently than he has already, AND "we" would have "taken care" of his little problem for him.

When someone threatens you and you are not in a position of weakness, you do not cower and hide - you man up and double dog dare them, just as you are pummeling them to the ground. You unleash the hounds of hell and the wrath of God upon them all at once. Cowards who make threats will never stand up to the onslaught of righteous might.

What ever "it" takes, in my opinion.

RP 2012 for freedom.

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It could not be done with Ross Perot...or any other candidate

HOWEVER: Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate...ever...in American history...that could pull this off.

Only someone as PROFOUND as Dr. Paul (and there will never be another one like him!), and with the accumulated gravitas of the movement he sparked...plus the crazy huge grassroots support...could pull this off.

All I can say is...if he chooses that route..I am there...and so will be millions upon millions of other Americans.

Ron Paul...ONLY Ron Paul... could get the vote from the diametric votes from, for example, both Bill Maher and Pat Robertson, Naomi Wolf and Walter Williams.

It can be done.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Well thats the best theory thus far

and thats not saying much since if it were true I would still want Rand Paul to support his father over Romney, after all if you can't get that repbulican to vote for you what are the chances of you persuading others to make the switch.

As of now the best explanation is that Rand Paul is just seriously delusional.

I love a thinker!

Ron has always said "I have no intention of running third party.
If they disenfranchise us, he may well have to, then the gloves come off- for them because we will steal every base from every party with this platform!

Rock On Ron Paul thinkers!

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Ron Said he had no plans to run third party, I believe him

Why is this so difficult?

I only comment on irrelevant and soon-to-be-forgotten threads like this one when they are at the top of the queue, otherwise I let them die off.

Sorry, that's all I have to say about this topic for now.

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