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I'm Calling For A Cease-Fire!

I know many of us disagree about Rand's recent actions, and the follow-up actions of other Paul people (Jack Hunter, etc.).

My suggestion is that we all try to stay friendly and stick together even through this disagreement.

By "cease fire" I don't mean "stop arguing." Arguing is great. But here are a few requests I'd like everyone to consider:

1. Please stop accusing each other of being "infiltrators" or trolls. The fact that someone has only been here for three weeks and they disagree with you doesn't mean they're a bad guy. For the record, I've seen people on both sides of the argument doing this. To me it seems lazy and self-destructive. There probably are some agitators on here, but let's all give each other the benefit of the doubt and stick to the merits of the argument in stead of attacking people based on how long they've been members (after all, some people who have supported Ron since the 80s might just be joining the website, and some people who've been on the website for four years could be agitators who joined in 2008 to cause trouble).

2. Respect the fact that people can reasonably disagree about this. I personally think Rand's decision was a smart one, and I agree with most of Jack Hunter's comments (although he's clearly getting defensive and squirmy about it, which is never attractive), but I totally see that people are concerned that this is (a) taking steam out of their efforts, or (b) too much of a compromise for a leader in this movement to make. That's a fair opinion.

3. Please stop predicting the downfall of this movement. It is just silly. Again, people on both sides are doing this. For example, "Rand Paul just stabbed his father in the back and destroyed this movement!!" or "All this attacking of Rand is destroying this movement!" Nonsense. This movement is strong, and I doubt anything can really stop it at this point. People who disagree with the approach Rand is taking will probably put their energies into a different area. People who agree with him will probably stick by him.

4. Take a deep breath. Whether you are worried about what Rand Paul's lackluster Romney endorsement means for the future of the movement, or whether you are worried about the movement's reaction, just try to take a deep breath. My prediction is that this storm will pass if we let it. If my predictions are right, Rand will keep doing a great job and will--through his actions--slowly win back the people he's upset with this recent move. If I'm wrong, and he's really a traitor as some are worried, then that will become abundantly clear in due time. Give Ron Paul a chance to wind this campaign down and pitch his next move. If we disagree with the approach he wants to take going forward, no problem (he's not our boss!). If we agree with him, that's great too.

So in conclusion, I like you people a lot and I think we can keep changing the world and saving our country. But let's try to stick together and be friendly, especially when things get rocky.

Thanks for reading and for all your work.

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Agree to disagree Bring Rand

Agree to disagree

Bring Rand up in any form or fashion in the here and now does one thing... Divides... Why are you worried about pushing your views of him here and now?

If you are against him why divide the DP? Are you starting a signature drive for a recall? If not leave it alone... Wait until it is relevant.

If you are supporting him same question why push him now? Are you starting a money bomb for him? If not again wait...

Bottom line Ron Paul supporters are divided on the Rand issue. Keep it up and they will have to rename this site the Daily Rand Fight.....

I'm bumping this because of

I'm bumping this because of there seems to be a flare-up of infighting again today. I'd like to see Adam Kokesh and Jesse Benton shake hands, pat each other on the back and say "I realize we don't see eye to eye on some important issues, but I also realize your intentions are true and that you have Ron's and the movement's best interests at heart."

Anything but that starts sounding like these two factions of the movement are trying to oust the other...which is sort of childish.

I will NEVER stop taking shots at ALEX JONES and GLENN BECK!!!

These @-holes deserve NO PLACE at our table.

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Enough energy has been wasted

on this nonsense, this distraction.

Get back to the Support of Ron Paul and concentrate on bringing the Election Fraud to a stop and disqualifing rombama for his participation and criminal actions.

I agree!

Big bump!

yeah... :)

yeah... :)

Smart move?

Rand Paul's decision to endorse Romney is a smart move for his political career because it endears him to the Establishment. But it is not a smart move or a good move for our country - anyone who endorses an Establishment candidate is doing a disservice to our nation.

Baloneysandwich

Fair enough.

But is it impossible that Rand Paul endearing himself to the Establishment could be a smart move for our country? That might be where we disagree...

I think most of the time, people endear themselves to the Establishment for the sake of power. I don't think that's at all where Rand Paul is. I think he's as much of a revolutionary as his father is, but he's trying to pull a different kind of coup.

But again...

The main point of this post is that I see where you're coming from (and have actually felt the same way in the past). Maybe I'm getting lured in by the political sirens!! :)

A lot of people would like to

A lot of people would like to see this movement fracture and disappear, but I don't think either Ron Paul or Rand Paul are among them.

“Wasting a vote is sometimes voting for somebody that you don't really believe in."
-Ron Paul

So why do you try to inflame

So why do you try to inflame people by showing support for Rand... If you truly want to unite... Leave Rand alone.. Why do you set the bait for the 50% who no longer support Rand... What good did you just do by showing that support?

Jesse Benton, Jack Hunter, etc.

This might get a more negative response, which is fine, but I'd add one more request:

Please try to respect the fact that Ron Paul hired these guys and continues to work with them. You might not agree with everything they're doing or saying. You may even be pissed at Ron for running a poor campaign if that's how you see it. It may anger you that these people are getting paid competitive salaries (I assume) to make decisions that you think you could handle in a smarter way.

I can understand all that, although I don't agree with all of it. But please consider withholding the hatred toward these people who have been friends to Ron Paul and members of his team. At very least, don't waste your breath accusing them of secret betrayals or worse. Save that sort of energy for people who are actively opposing liberty.

Criticism is healthy; smear campaigns aren't. In my humble opinion, a lot of the stuff I've heard is much closer to the smear campaign side than the constructive criticism side. Maybe a healthy medium would be a respectful push for accountability.

Very Civil.

+1. Your humble opinion is also very civil. as regard the attack'mode - you said -
"Save that sort of energy for people who are actively opposing liberty."
Thanks for the dose of civility, & re' focusing.

One of the problems is the speed of the internet is MUCH faster

than the speed of politics, concerning issues. We all comment on the endorsement, comment on each others' comments, post possible reasons, comment on others' possible reasons, etc.

In one day, we whip up a giant sh!t storm. Meanwhile, politicians are in meetings, flying about, researching issues, making appearances, etc. Indeed, politicians are very busy too, but they severely lag behind the speed of internet discussion, debate, gossip, etc.

In the future, politicians will have to do something like what Ron Paul is doing: a weekly response via the internet.

Here is Ron Paul's latest weekly update: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ4DEZCbO0U

Too bad it doesn't address Rand's endorsement nor anything about what the delegates and his supporters should do.

The silence is deafening.

Rand is

his own person. He can do what he wants. Why does Ron Paul have to explain his son's actions. This does not make sense.

Just get on with your life and do what you know is right.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

well said

I too am awaiting to hear from Dr. Paul.

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

me too

the man has done 1 two minute interview in the last 4 to 5 weeks on Cavuto, during which they didnt even talk about the campaign. I'm very willing to accept an explanation, but I'd like to know what happened to that $500k the people donated on 5/17 (after the campaigning was officially stopped). At the same time we've got delegates trying to raise hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars to get to Tampa in August

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"Terrorism is the war of the poor, while war is the terrorism of

Yeah...

They should answer some of these questions. My guess is they're in the process of planning for their next move. Last time around, Ron Paul started C4L, which was a huge success in terms of setting the foundation for the delegate victories we've had this time around (some may disagree).

If they are silent for too long, I agree it will get frustrating. We'll see.

Sometimes "Silence is Golden"

Your are right chad,

Although very frustrating, I expect that the silence is necessary, right now, to prevent another counter-attack from the Romney camp and their GOP hiarchy crooks.
I really feel the regular base of the GOP is honest, but they just dont realize that their leaders have corrupted the party for political gain and no longer represent true Conservative Republican ideas.

Sounds good to me

I believe that the only real harm done by Rand Paul's endorsement will be to his own political career, unless he has a reasonable explanation. I was very disappointed with him, but, I can't vote for him.

The movement is solidly in place in all the state delegations and will be able to influence policy and candidate selection at home and will be recognized as a force to be reckoned with by the party hierarchy.

I hope that he negotiated for his endorsement and didn't fall under the bus without gaining something beneficial to the libertarian wing of the party or his own place in the party. Yes, finally, the libertarian wing. Now that we are a recognized part of the party, and it is recognized that we have some clout, it is going to be very difficult for the Establishment to deal with us after the convention.

If we are difficult to deal with during the convention it will have to be spontaneous as the good Dr. may still feel some obligation to the party that has smeared his name and cheated him out of his rightful place in its hierarchy, hence, the "keep it peaceful request." Why he is so tolerant is beyond me. I guess that Dr. Paul doesn't have a mean bone in his body. That's too bad as we need someone who is willing to crack a few eggs at the table and negotiate for our support or push for Ron Paul's nomination over Romney's.

One question I have is what effect a Ron Paul run as an independent would have on the Paul supporters within the Republican Party.

Ron B.

Third party run

Doug Wead answered for me the question of a third party run in his facebook interview-- IT AIN"T GONNA HAPPEN. Several states have "sore loser" laws which bar a primary candidate seeking nomination in one party from appearing on the states' ballots for another party in the same election.

Ron B.

As for Ron's tolerance...

I think his point is just that making a big, disruptive scene at the convention will not help us accomplish what we're trying to accomplish. It will just piss people off. I understand a lot of US are pissed off at the way Dr. Paul and our movement have been treated.

But we have to get passed our anger and frustration and do what is best for the movement. And the bottom line is that being on good terms within the Republican party is one (not the only) strategy that might pay off a lot for our cause. Maybe it wont work, but it's one of the irons we need to keep in the fire. Going to the convention and burning all our bridges (even if we are justified in our urge to do so) simply wont be productive. Ron knows this and is, I think, rightfully concerned that we'll waste a valuable opportunity to extend our influence.

Right.

I trust that Rand's first concern is the influence of the libertarian wing of the party. I think he's working with some slimy but useful people (DeMint, Palin) to bring that wing to the core of the party. I think that's why Santorum is freaking out; he knows his brand of Republican is rapidly losing influence (even among evangelicals). The influence he had this time was 50% attributable to people hating Romney (hence them waiting six months to finally go with Santorum) and 50% attributable to Santorum's adopting some strong limited government rhetoric.

My guess is that an evangelical type will never lead the party again unless he or she is a strong debt hawk and proponent of shrinking the federal government's role even in social issues.

I stopped firing a long time

I stopped firing a long time ago.

In the 5 stages of grief, some jump directly to anger. It isn't always rational, but it feels very right at the time.

Rand has done great things in just the last three days.

The only decision I have to make right now is that I don't have to make a decision right now. He is totally redeeming himself, at least in my eyes.

The two most important days in your life are the day you are born...and the day you find out why. -Mark Twain

So basically be reasonable

Don't act crazy. Ron Paul is great and he is fighting for our freedom.
Rand Paul is too. Ron only has a limited amount of time left to make an impact. Rand is just getting started.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

good summary

Apparently my version was longer than it needed to be! :) Good summary of what I'm trying to get at...

Yes!

Yes!

Agreed. Running Rand down,

Agreed. Running Rand down, and out of the Senate, would be a huge mistake on our part, like him or not..

bump

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