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Free Energy Test - Feedback Requested

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I've been enthralled over the last few years watching all these youtubes with amature inventors trying to make free energy happen. It appears some of them have succeeded. The problem is they don't explain the plans well... don't provide plans or you need to be an electrical engineer to figure them out.


Here's my theory - should cost less than $100 to test it out however I'm DEAD broke so I figured I'd put this up for anyone to test out on their own or if someone wants to donate $100 I'll go buy the materials myself and build it.

If this works, it's a simple one-page instruction sheet on how to create free energy (perpetual motion via magnets) that anyone can follow and put together.

If it worked... we could spread that one-page over the internet overnight - free energy = Victory for the revolution because it will starve the warmongers and would-be dictators of much needed funds from the oil industry.

You can't patent this stuff - you get killed or bought off. You must give it away free and it has to be SIMPLE so ANYONE can do it!

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There are working tested and

There are working tested and replicated devices out there you can build that work. They have been around for a while here is one of the best places for learning about them and how to build them.


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In case anyone comes back to this thread ...

The video of perpetual motion machines that appear to be working:
is from here:
where they note:
These Videos are of motorized versions that were built to illustrate how these machines were supposed to work in the minds of Inventors.


Reminds me of Gen Westley Clark

I watched a program at a friends house a few years ago where he introduced himself as a CEO of a company that made magnetic wheels for stealth military ground operations. It upset me because I thought, why aren't you going public instead on seeking massive military contracts?

magnetic wheels would be excellent mode of transportation, but instead, here in CA, our governor just passed a massive bill for a high speed rail that goes through 130 miles of farm land.

*facepalm* Why can't the


Why can't the crazies pick some other candidate?

It will eventually break down

Assuming that there is some sort of 'brush' on each magnet that rubs against the surface to generate static electricity, with the combined magnetic pull of the other two pushing the third past the 'brush point', you're gonna have heat build up from the friction. Also, the spindle in the center will heat up from friction.

My guess is that the amount of energy produced will equal the amount of energy contained in the lubricating oil that will have to be continually added, or, the amount of energy needed to cool the machine so it doesn't overheat.

Either way the laws of conservation of energy still apply.

Still, could be fun at parties if you hooked it up to a margarita mixer...

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From what I understand is

From what I understand is that a magnetic field will move electrons through a wire when it passes through the field. A generator is a perfect example, it is a spool of wires with magnets around it. When it spins it moves the electrons and generates electricity.


Honestly the only way i could see generating "free energy" would to somehow tap into the earths magnetic fields and generate electricity that way. I have heard that Nikola Tesla had developed something like that, and one using cosmic waves.

Put one wire in the earth as a positive and then put a metal plate as high up into the air as you can and it will generate some electricity but not much. Google "Tesla radiant energy" and "Tesla fuel-less generator."

Tesla had also invented wireless energy. honestly, tesla had the most amazing and important inventions ever created(radio, generators, AC, etc.)

There is no "brush point"

The magnets never touch the outside ring.

Not this crap again.

The laws of thermodynamics still apply.

The system is..

The system is entropic. It will wind down, if it works at all, and the freeze point will be just that. The heat buildup along the axis of rotation from friction will change the rate of rotation (slow it) to the point that it catches and stops, assuming it actually works for a short period of time.

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what's causing it to spin?


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The outer ring made of steel

gets closer in distance as the outer ring approaches the freeze point - at that point the max distance is restored (at the break) and other three magnets are hopefully pulling toward the closer steel.

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&What is the relationship between magnetic force and distance?


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Wow I can't believe you got

Wow I can't believe you got two downvotes just for asking an honest physics question.

what material, budget, planned application?

and is this gonna be a toroidal design?

been working on a transitional gasoline to gas hybrid based on similar designs. but came across others' solutions that I liked that were further along than mine. so for now, stopped any development.

but the general thesis behind toroidal structure seems to be where everything seems to be going.

love to see what develops out of it. good luck.

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You can Fab That

from what you could find in a junk car, some duct tape and baling wire in a heartbeat.

The time you spent drawing and posting that nifty gizmo - could have been spent nicking the parts and fabbing it up.

So go Fab it Fabio

Sounds like you coulda managed it in about the time it took to place this comment (that's about how long it took to draw that image).

I think the point was missed

The parts could have been scrounged easily at little or no cost of time or money.

But the real point is, if you're so curious about all this, show some initiative, quit asking for online charity and by all means, quit making demands of others. You're in no position to do so.

Continuous, not Perpetual Motion

Your design will most likely not work as the magnets induce a local reverse field in the iron ring. Check these designs out that appear to be working. They are not that complicated.



Perpetual Motion

Continuous Motion

Great feedback so far.

I had anticipated perhaps needing to add another arm or perhaps two or three in order to get the magnet past the freeze point.

The freeze point can also be spaced differently. What's needed is a model so that you can experiment with these different options.

Won't work

Coming from an engineer. Your design will likely not move at all. If it does, it will certainly freeze at your freeze point. The magnetic flux is proportional to the square of the distance.

Over-unity is a fascinating idea, but with current scientific understanding - violating the laws of thermodynamics is impossible.
I recommend not wasting time on it, and instead consider ways to harvest existing energy.

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If they want free energy that

If they want free energy that actually works, why don't they stick with simple things like windmills and solar panels?

Why I believe it wont

Why I believe it wont work.

If we label the magnets A,B,C; (A) being the magnet at the 'Freeze Point,' (B) being the magnet which has the label (magnet) -the first magnet clockwise from (A), and (C) being the third magnet.

If we let all three magnets be equal in strength, then what should occur is Zero (0) motion in total; because the strength pushing magnet (B) away from magnet (A) is equal but opposite to the strength pushing magnet (A) away from magnet (B); and the same for magnet pairs (B)/(C) and (C)/(B) and also for (A)/(C) and (C)/(A) -therefore, we have all three magnets trying to move in two opposite directions simultaneously at the same velocity, which equals zero(0) overall movement in any direction. There will be a constant magnetic push away from each of the magnets, therefore none of the magnets will move.

The only way possible to make something like what you have designed, work, would be to have four magnets on radius arms, at 90 degrees from each other, -each magnet with the same orientation and the same strength- and you would need eight electro-magnets fixed to the outer ring -these magnets would need to be able to switch on and off as well as their orientation by way of a microcomputer. Using the microcomputer to control the switching on/off and the polarity of the fixed electro-magnets would enable the axle along the axis of rotation to spin. While some looking at what I've just written may say that it leads to a zero sum of energy generation; the actual truth is that it does create more energy at the output then it uses on the input. How is this possible, you may wonder; the answer is simple. When one spins a mary-go-round, once it reaches a certain velocity it no longer needs constant input of more energy to keep it moving at the same velocity; it moreso requires sporadic, rather than constant, input of energy to keep it moving along at the same velocity. It is the difference between the energy used at the input in the beginning of the process and the energy used at the input to keep the process operating which is the energy gain at the output.

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re: merry-go-round

there is no energy gain. You're just describing a flywheel. Once you get the flywheel moving, the only way you can get energy to "use" "from" it is to slow it down somehow. To speed it back up to where it was that second would require the same amount of energy you took out.

So you put X energy into rotational, and can take out, at most, X rotational energy. If you like watching it spin, you need to continuously contribute a little rotational energy Y equal to how much is lost as friction [or whatever] slows it.

The only feasible way to use the flywheel analogy to produce results similar enough to what's being discussed here would be if we could, as Tesla said, "attach our gears to the wheel-work of nature", preferably a wheel so large the sum of all human activity ever would be negligible to it, like the rotation of a planet.

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Your 'flywheel' is missing

Your 'flywheel' is missing something; granted I didn't fully explain, but I thought it would have been obvious where I was going with my analogy -I prefer to use the marry-go-round, due to making it as simple as possible utilizing something which everybody is familiar with. Anyway, the flywheel would be attached to an axle but the axle would be the shaft to an electric motor(alternator), whereby spinning the axle transforms mechanical energy into electric energy. Once the flywheel is spinning at its optimal velocity, it doesn't require the same constant amount of energy to keep it spinning at it's optimal velocity, therefore if having a constant input of energy creates zero energy gain at the output -meaning that the energy at the output is equal to the energy at the input, then when constant energy -at the input- is no longer required the axle will continue to rotate at the same velocity and continue to generate the same amount of energy at the output.

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if you want to make it an electrical generator

if you want to make it an electrical generator, you're slowing it down even faster by adding an opposing back emf to convert rotational energy into electrical.

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Using the equation F(c) =

Using the equation F(c) = mv^2/r; where r = the radius, v = velocity, m = mass, and F(c) = centripetal force. It would be easy to overcome the “opposing back emf,” by manipulating one or more of the variables -the mass of the magnets, velocity, or radius arms.

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centripetal force is irrelevant to this scenario

as are all radial forces whose vectors coincide with the axis when the concern is making something rotate. You don't push on the thin side of a door to move it.

Though, if it's as easy as you say, please build it and prove me wrong.

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If you were to fill a pale

If you were to fill a pale with water halfway, and then while holding it with both hands by the handle you proceeded to spin in a circle -your body acting as the axis of rotation- when your body stops spinning the pale doesn't just stop, it pulls your body in the direction of motion previously held constant.

Now, instead of the axis of rotation being what starts the spinning it is the electro-magnets on the inside of the metal ring. Once an optimal rate of rotation is reached, if all eight of those magnets just shut off, the 'flywheel' wouldn't just stop, just because the axis will move also. However, not all eight magnets would be shut-off forever, they would 'fire' intermittently based on a predetermined preprogrammed time interval via the microcomputer, whereby the rotation of the 'flywheel' and axis can continue at the same rate of rotation due to centripetal force carrying the magnets around the fixed path.

By spinning the extra mass of the axis and magnets on the axis, it will slow the rate of rotation down more rapidly; however, this can be minimized by increasing the length of the radius arms, by increasing the mass of the magnets at the ends of the radius arms, or by increasing the rate of rotation of the 'flywheel' before the electro-magnets begin to 'fire' intermittently.

When the magnets at the ends of the radius arms begin to spin acting like a 'flywheel,' the magnets will continue to move -even if the electro-magnets get shut-off- but because they are affixed to the radius arms instead of the magnets flying off, they force the 'flywheel' to continue to spin -whether the axis spins also or not.

A non-static axis doesn't negate centripetal force; it will lessen it to some degree but that can be overcome by modifying the variables attributed to centripetal force.