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Rand Paul is supporting a bill to ban the use of domestic drones to monitor citizens in the U.S.

the use of domestic drones to monitor citizens in the U.S.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/sen-paul-says-no-to...

disagree with him on some stuff with his endorsement and all but agree with him on this.



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Rand says "drones will only be used when it's PROPER...

Rand (mr. armani champagne) says "drones will only be used when it's PROPER...
He says drones would be used with a warrant from a judge.
So Rand says drones need a rubber stamp.

Judges will hand them out like candy to DHS or police forces that ask for them.

Rand wants to slow down the police surveillance state.
just a little bit.

Rand is one step forward two steps back.

Whatever, Dude.

Talk to the hand.

There must be consequences to jacking your supporters.

I feel used. Like a piece of meat.

And, when a politician goes rogue on me, I will simply contribute money out of spite. I don't care if the person is the lesser of two evils or not. Rogue is rogue is bad and must be swatted with the rolled up newspaper.

Bad Dog!

You know that's great to hear

You know that's great to hear for Rand. Yeah he has a long way to go to get straightened out though. But this is a positive despite the stinkin endorsement which unfortunately happened.

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Bull shyte

Lame timing. Are you for real? This has all been choreographed.

No quarter for quislings!

Omg

What a traitor to the movement! Stone him...lol

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Interesting dynamic Rand has set up.

He plays Good Republican, so his Senate bills that might usually be said to be "radical" suddenly fall within the mainstream Republican spectrum and may be considered more thoughtfully than if he were purely in the libertarian camp with Ron.

Drones will still be used

Drones will still be used against American citizens, but they need a warrant to do it? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Protect those who attack drones

We need a federal law that affords some protection for people who shoot at, hack into, or otherwise destroy drones. Make it such that destroying a drone is merely destruction of property little different from finding one of their GPSs under your bumper and smashing it with a hammer--and is in no way, shape or form a "terrorist" act nor constitutes violence or threat against law enforcement, and that a drone is absolutely not an "aircraft".

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

this drones can

gather any information and kill you from miles before you even see it. they are made stealth and discrete to prevent anything you just list above.

Sure pass a law if the person even finds the drone before it finds them.

His name is Edward Snowden

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But...but...

I thought Rand was the spawn of Satan? How could he propose such a law?

Wants to work you somemore. Hope to get back in good graces ...

. . . and milk that "teat" of the faithful followers.

Ben Swann is covering the drone issue tonight.

In the meantime, check out this transcript conversation between Cal Thomas and Bob Beckel.

".....Another potential danger, which even the FAA acknowledges, is whether [30,000] drones would add to the AIR TRAFFIC CONGESTION already experienced at major airports. Commercial airline pilots, who also rely on visual flight rules, are concerned about safety hazards from unmanned drones."

(snip)
FOLLOW THE MONEY

Cal: We are already further along with drones than the public may know. The FAA reform act requires the FAA to create a comprehensive program to safely integrate drone technology into the national air space by 2015. The FAA predicts there could be 30,000 drones crisscrossing American skies by 2020, all part of an industry that could be worth $12 billion a year. Dwight Eisenhower was right to warn us against the "military-industrial complex." Drones are just the latest example of the industry's intrusions into our liberties."

Bob: That's right. In this case, the section of the FAA reform act that permits drones in our domestic airspace was written by a lobbyist for the contractors who build drones. I will guarantee you that the members of Congress who inserted that provision in the FAA act have all received political contributions from the makers of drones.

read the rest at link
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2012-05-30/...

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This Cal/Bob Beckel exchange should be a forum in its own right

I hope you publish it. VERY important.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Be my guest Sharkhearted.

If you would like to post it, I will up vote. I agree that it is very enlightening and highly important. I wish that everyone here would take a few minutes to read it.

The video

...from Senator Paul's youtube account:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcLn0C3OAVg

Might be good to add it to the post?

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This bill has not teeth whatsoever

And it certainly does not "ban" the use of drones to monitor citizens in the US.

It is a bill to Protect Americans Against Unwarranted Drone Surveillance

Jun 12, 2012
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today, Sen. Rand Paul introduced legislation into the Senate that protects individual privacy against unwarranted governmental intrusion through the use of the unmanned aerial vehicles commonly known as drones. The Preserving Freedom from Unwarranted Surveillance Act of 2012 will protect Americans' personal privacy.

"Like other tools used to collect information in law enforcement, in order to use drones a warrant needs to be issued. Americans going about their everyday lives should not be treated like criminals or terrorists and have their rights infringed upon by military tactics," Sen. Paul said.

The Preserving Freedom from Unwarranted Surveillance Act of 2012 also:

1. Prohibits the use of drones by the government except when a warrant is issued for its use in accordance with the requirements of the Fourth Amendment.

2. Includes the following exceptions:

1) patrol of national borders;

2) when law enforcement possesses reasonable suspicion that under particular circumstances, swift drone action is necessary to prevent "imminent danger to life;"

3) high risk of a terrorist attack

3. Allows any person to sue the government for violating this Act.

4. Specifies that no evidence obtained or collected in violation of this Act can be used/admissible as evidence in a criminal, civil, or regulatory action.
http://paul.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=545

Using military style drones inside this country to monitor American citizens under any circumstances should be prohibited. I guarantee you section 2 will be abused by law enforcement.

What is freedom? Freedom is the right to choose; the right to create for
yourself the alternative of choice. Without the responsibility and exercise
of choice a man is not a man but a member, an instrument, a thing.
-- Archibald Macleish

Yup

Oh of course it will be abused, but the half of the liberty movement that thinks they can take over the GOP loves this; in their mind anyone who has any criticism of Rand is a persona non grata. He's a secret agent who is actually going to change a corrupt to the core political party to an enlightened group of non-interventionists who support sound monetary policy and domestic growth; but first he has to "play ball", you know, just to "pretend" he's one of the boys, *wink wink*.

The co-opting is happening right before our eyes and nobody has so much as sneezed.

“Facts don’t cease to exist because they are ignored.” – Aldous Huxley

Sheep to the slaughter.

Sheep are the dumbest animals.

I used to think that the term "Paulbots" was kind of cool, until I realized that there are truly Ron Paul Automatons that will believe anything that the Ron Paul Central Command dictates.

Fucking lame.

who

do we have to call/contact to get support for this? Please post the info.

a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat

Rand

is doing more than supporting it....he introduced it. if i heard and read right

Who's Rand Paul?

Any relation to Ron?

LOL! What is Ron Paul's

LOL! What is Ron Paul's stand on this issue ?????? They really are trying to turn this into the The Daily Rand Paul.

Don't doubt

We should know not to doubt his record.

Baaaahhhhh!

Baaaahhhhh!

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